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Thread: [Publisher] Greenleaf Book Group (Clint Greenleaf)

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    [Publisher] Greenleaf Book Group (Clint Greenleaf)

    Does anyone know of this publisher? Any experiences, good or bad?

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    http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10305
    Is it the same one that can be found here? (Search for Greenleaf.)

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    Looks like a distributor, rather than an agency.

    http://www.greenleafbookgroup.com/

    Greenleaf Book Group is a consulting firm and distributor for small and independent publishers. We distribute books nationwide to bookstores and libraries through wholesalers, online, direct to retailers, and direct to consumers. As a consulting firm or "incubator," Greenleaf selects small and independent presses who have a vision that can be cultivated into a successful venture; then we develop their ventures into viable businesses.
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    Anyone have any more information on these guys? The link in the second post doesn't seem to work, and they do publish books. I got a little brochure thing from them in the mail (after submitting to them), and I'm getting a bit wary. They say they take the best of traditional publishing and self publishing (you keep all the rights for the books), while also getting a wide distribution. However, they hint at the fact that you will have to pay.

    "Fees for editorial work are based on your needs as determined during the editorial analysis; they are generally structured according to the number of hours required to complete your project."

    However, they do seem to be successful...
    http://www.greenleafbookgroup.com/author_press_room.cfm

    They also appear to charge for design... "Design fees vary according to genre, format, and page count, and are quoted after your manuscript is accepted for publication."

    It also appears that you have to contribute to the price of printing the books.

    However, they're pretty up front about all this.
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    It does look like they're putting more emphasis on their self-publishing services nowadays. Having built-in distribution is a big plus; I'll bet they're pricey, though.
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    They're a good company and only take people who are financially serious about having a successful book. Very selective the last I heard. I think they require around a $2,800 distribution set-up fee and about $20,000 in marketing/advertising upfront. They also started their own publishing imprint, but I have no idea how that works.

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    great. There's no way I can afford that. The distribution fee, maybe, but I don't have 20k lying around. Then again, I shouldn't get ahead of myself. I'll probably be rejected anyway.

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    In order to be considered for any indie distributor, you need to come up with advertising and marketing $$. They need to know their investment in every title is worth the amount of time and resources they pour into pitching their catalog. Distribution is big boy publishing and not for the faint of heart or weak of spirit.

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    Understood, but 20 K is a lot of money. Especially for an eighteen year old with no credit history. lol. I was always under the impression it was the publisher's job to advertise and market the book (with the author's help of course.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Anonymous View Post
    Understood, but 20 K is a lot of money. Especially for an eighteen year old with no credit history. lol. I was always under the impression it was the publisher's job to advertise and market the book (with the author's help of course.)
    Well, they did say they were combining "the best of traditional publishing and self publishing," so, yes, you're going to have to absorb some of the book production or advertising costs. I just don't know where.

    Look at it this way; whenever you see any variation of "the best of both worlds," understand that it means you're gonna pay for it. For the life of me, I don't get how anyone can combine "traditional" publishing and vanity press and say the author is getting the best of anything. Maybe I'm just missing something here.

    Only way you're going to keep your money where it belongs is if you publish with a good trade publisher who already has distribution in place.

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    Well, they rejected my manuscript. Just got a form letter today. lol.

    They judged my submission in three areas. Content, overall quality, and sales potential.

    I failed sales potential.

    They referred me to another publisher/distributor, Morgan James publishing.

    And that, as they say, is that, when it comes to my experience with Greenleaf. For what it's worth, they were pretty fasy.

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    Morgan James is a vanity publisher that pretends not to be--discussion is here.

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    Thanks victoria, I'll be sure to avoid them then.

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    An example of what you get for your money: http://leegoldberg.typepad.com/a_wri...l-i-get-1.html
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    Oh my. I feel bad for their authors.

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    Updating link to that blog post: http://www.leegoldberg.com/the-mail-i-get-1-3/
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