Check, please?

[Rolling Thunder]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23027685/

The fate of $600-$1,200 rebate checks for more than 100 million Americans is in limbo after Senate Republicans blocked a bid by Democrats to add $44 billion in help for the elderly, disabled veterans, the unemployed and businesses to the House-passed economic aid package.

Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.

[billythrilly7th]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23027685/



Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.

I agree.

What's an extra 44 billion?!

We're rich. Put it on our tab. We'll pay it later.

Debtschmet.

[Rolling Thunder]

I knew I could count on you, Billy.

[Cranky]

I knew I could count on you, Billy.

Well, 44 billion ain't exactly chump change, and folks are already screaming about the deficit we're running up.

How's about scrapping the rebate and funding the aid package instead? Nah, it'd never happen.

[My-Immortal]

I could be wrong, (it happens a lot!) but aren't those 'rebate checks' really advances on next year's tax returns (if you get a return)? It's not 'free' money...right?

So...if that's right, they're basically arguing about giving us back some of the money they're taxing us on early so that next year they can tax us for it....

or something like that, right?

[brokenfingers]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23027685/



Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.C'mon! Give me a break. We all know that what we really need is to give some more tax breaks to large multi-billion dollar corporations.

[Rolling Thunder]

I'm surprised McCain didn't vote, especially since disabled vets are involved.

[brokenfingers]

And that money is better spent bailing out the banks and loan companies anyway. I mean they REALLY need that money.

[Rolling Thunder]

Yeah. They're not building branches on every corner like they were last year. :D

[SpookyWriter]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23027685/



Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.Hey! I'm a disabled vet and make six figures a year.

Pfffttt...

[My-Immortal]

Hey! I'm a disabled vet and make six figures a year.

Pfffttt...

Tom Brady?

Oh wait, your said 'vet' not 'Pat' and I'm guessing he 'makes' more than six figures a year (who's the current figure he's dating?)

:)

Sorry...back to the serious discussion now.

[Dai Alanye]

I see no reason to wait for Congress to act on this, assuming they ever will.

We've decided to immediately go ahead on our own. I'll give my wife a check for $500, and she'll do the same for me. We'll each have more money, and will head for the mall to help save the economy.

Pretty sure this will accomplish the same thing as the rebates.

[Cranky]

Sorry...back to the serious discussion now.

*peers under the rug*

I'm sure it's around here somewhere...maybe in TIO?

[SpookyWriter]

Tom Brady?

Oh wait, your said 'vet' not 'Pat' and I'm guessing he 'makes' more than six figures a year (who's the current figure he's dating?)

:)

Sorry...back to the serious discussion now.LOL! Tom Brady isn't making six figures. He's doing six figures. Please get the lingo right night time. Pffftsss...

[brokenfingers]

Hey! I'm a disabled vet and make six figures a year.

Pfffttt...What's that have to do with anything? That's like saying I'm an American and I don't eat cheese. Pfffft!

Are you suggesting that there aren't disabled vets who could use this money?

[SpookyWriter]

What's that have to do with anything? That's like saying I'm an American and I don't eat cheese. Pfffft!

Are you suggesting that there aren't disabled vets who could use this money?No, and before you start on me. I'm saying not all disabled vets will depend on this check. We're not all crippled and homeless. Thank you!

Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.Plus this whole quote is insulting to the elderly, disabled vets, so I'll just let you figure out my distain.

[Rolling Thunder]

Complain as you like, Spooky. I had reason to post what I did.

http://www.pennlive.com/patriotnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1201913707288670.xml&coll=1

[SpookyWriter]

Complain as you like, Spooky. I had reason to post what I did.

http://www.pennlive.com/patriotnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1201913707288670.xml&coll=1
Nice to provide some reasoning after-the-fact. Look, I like you, but I don't appreciated the innuendo that all disabled vets or old people are just hanging on to a promise of a few cookies to survive. I suggest that you make a better case for the rebate usage since it is a stimulus package that is really just "make feel good" politics.

[Cranky]

Crap! IS this TIO? Did I just step into a portal or something?

:D

[Rolling Thunder]

Actually, there was no innuendo on my part. I support the package and not every vet and senior is making 6 figure incomes. Right now, there are plenty who can use a few extra bucks. It's that simple.

[SpookyWriter]

Actually, there was no innuendo on my part. I support the package and not every vet and senior is making 6 figure incomes. Right now, there are plenty who can use a few extra bucks. It's that simple.That's fine. I support my mother who needs my monthly check to survive. I support three children who are grown and need my help to survive. I support other causes. This package is crap because it's a one time stimulus to the economy. I have to wake up every day and find the energy to support my family, pay my taxes, and have enough left over for retirement some day.

I also have to deal with my disabilities. I get a small pension from the government for my military service. But that's not what motivates me to get out of bed, shower, and get to work.

[brokenfingers]

That's fine. I support my mother who needs my monthly check to survive. I support three children who are grown and need my help to survive. I support other causes. This package is crap because it's a one time stimulus to the economy. I have to wake up every day and find the energy to support my family, pay my taxes, and have enough left over for retirement some day.

I also have to deal with my disabilities. I get a small pension from the government for my military service. But that's not what motivates me to get out of bed, shower, and get to work.
Well, fortunately this thread isn't about you.

[Rolling Thunder]

Well, we all have to fight the monster every day, Spooky. But, you have to admit, there are some that have fallen through the cracks through no fault of their own.

I heard on the radio today that a lot of people are rallying around this couple. They especially thanked their local fire company for helping them when their roof caved in and fixed their furnace while they were there. Then they ran out of oil.

The old guy has a bad heart, only one valve is working right, and the VA won't help him.

It's just not right for someone who went to fight when called, ya know?

ETA: Come on, BK. It's a discussion. No need for it to get personal.

[SpookyWriter]

Well, fortunately this thread isn't about you.
No, it's about:

Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.

The whole stimulus package is junk. What I object to here is that the OP insinuated that this package is just for old people and disabled vets.

What was the prez thinking? Oh gosh. The stimulus package was meant for middle-to-low income tax payers.

Let's put it into perspective.

It won't work?

[SpookyWriter]

Well, we all have to fight the monster every day, Spooky. But, you have to admit, there are some that have fallen through the cracks through no fault of their own.

I heard on the radio today that a lot of people are rallying around this couple. They especially thanked their local fire company for helping them when their roof caved in and fixed their furnace while they were there. Then they ran out of oil.

The old guy has a bad heart, only one valve is working right, and the VA won't help him.

It's just not right for someone who went to fight when called, ya know?

ETA: Come on, BK. It's a discussion. No need for it to get personal.
RT,

Homeless veterans aren't a new issue. People without funds for heating oil isn't new either.

The stimulus package is just a shot in the arm, but in my opinion not enough to really make any difference.

You had a good basis for argument. I applaud you for the initial thread and how we need to assess what our government is doing to continue a steady growth in the economy.

Thanks for bringing up this sensitive subject.

[brokenfingers]

ETA: Come on, BK. It's a discussion. No need for it to get personal.I just call 'em as I see 'em.

I just don't understand what right a person making a six-figure income has to speak about other disabled vets or elderly people, like he has some kind of right to speak for them.

If he's making it - fine. But to then complain about those who need it getting it?

And to then insert his own "story".

Let's stick to the issue - disabled vets and elderly people who clearly need it, getting some aid and assistance from a Congress that regularly doles out aid packages to big business like it was candy.

P.S. I believe you meant BF. :D

[Rolling Thunder]

Well, this guy isn't homeless. He's fallen on hard times. A couple hundred bucks to fill his oil tank at this very minute could mean a lot for him and his wife. The same goes for a lot of others using fuel oil now that it's pushing $3.00 a gallon around here.

Sometimes a little extra cash can mean a lot. Even if it appears to be contrived by politicians.

[My-Immortal]

Question....why do all these aid packages have to be clumped into one? If they want to issue out all these various rebate checks, why not approve the first one, create a second one for disabled vets, elderly, people who can't afford heat etc....

Is it because they don't want to overlap these checks?

Just curious. Thanks.

[Rolling Thunder]

Question....why do all these aid packages have to be clumped into one? If they want to issue out all these various rebate checks, why not approve the first one, create a second one for disabled vets, elderly, people who can't afford heat etc....

Is it because they don't want to overlap these checks?

Just curious. Thanks.

Good question. One I can't answer, though.

[SpookyWriter]

I just call 'em as I see 'em.

I just don't understand what right a person making a six-figure income has to speak about other disabled vets or elderly people, like he has some kind of right to speak for them.

If he's making it - fine. But to then complain about those who need it getting it?

And to then insert his own "story".

Let's stick to the issue - disabled vets and elderly people who clearly need it, getting some aid and assistance from a Congress that regularly doles out aid packages to big business like it was candy.

P.S. I believe you meant BF. :DNo, you weren't sticking to the issues by any means. I stand by my statement that not all disabled vets are poor and needing a handout. Nor all elderly either. Please get the story straight next time. I objected to the original post that the money is intended for the elderly and disabled vets.

That's hogwash.

That wasn't something the prez said explicitly to any facts you may have readily available.

I have the right to discuss my experiences. If you have a problem with that then complain to a mod.

Oh wait, a mod started this thead. My bad. Complain to congress.

[SpookyWriter]

Question....why do all these aid packages have to be clumped into one? If they want to issue out all these various rebate checks, why not approve the first one, create a second one for disabled vets, elderly, people who can't afford heat etc....

Is it because they don't want to overlap these checks?

Just curious. Thanks.Where is this written that the checks are quantified by classification of need? I'd like a link to this information. Thanks.

[Rolling Thunder]

Did you read both pages of the article, Spooky?

The Senate version would provide checks of $500-$1,000 to a broader group that includes 20 million elderly people, 250,000 disabled veterans and taxpayers making up to $150,000 for singles — or $300,000 for couples.

It would extend unemployment benefits for an additional 13 weeks for those whose benefits have run out, with 13 more weeks available in states with the highest jobless rates. The bill also includes $10 billion in tax-free mortgage revenue bonds to help homeowners refinance subprime loans.

There's more to the issue than what I quoted in the OP. It just happened to be the leading paragraph of the article.

[My-Immortal]

Where is this written that the checks are quantified by classification of need? I'd like a link to this information. Thanks.

I'm just going on the info provided in the first post. It seemed to me that there was an aid package proposed in the House and now the Senate wants to add to it to include aid for the above named people/reasons etc. I just wanted to know why was it necessary to clump all of this together as one aid package - why can't it be separate packages? Is it simply a matter of politics as usual - we won't agree to what you want unless you give us what we want -?

Sounds like arguments children make...

<shrugs>

Take care all

[SpookyWriter]

This is insane. Why not blacks or pregnant single women. I still object to the whole package because it is predicated on a failed war economy that Bush forced down our throats.

Bottom line. Stock up on canned foods, water, and a bad situation for the next couple years.

We bought the package, paid our dues, and I can't think of another horror cliche for the life of me.

I'm moving to Holland. Bwwwaaaa....

The Senate version would provide checks of $500-$1,000 to a broader group that includes 20 million elderly people, 250,000 disabled veterans and taxpayers making up to $150,000 for singles — or $300,000 for couples.

[brokenfingers]

Spook, Again, I don't understand your position or what you're complaining about but that doesn't come as a surprise considering the verbal mumbo-jumbo you ply throughout the various threads here, even when faced with bold facts that dispute your statements.

Anyways, if you don't like the bill or its provisions, take your own advice and notify your congressman.

[SpookyWriter]

Spook, Again, I don't understand your position or what you're complaining about but that doesn't come as a surprise considering the verbal mumbo-jumbo you ply throughout the various threads here, even when faced with bold facts that dispute your statements.

Anyways, if you don't like the bill or its provisions, notify your congressman.Oh boy, I can't teach you to read. My complaint was with the original post that it implies that the elderly or disabled vets need a handout to survive.

What part of this don't you understand?

The original poster (RT) supplied a link much later in the discussion so I'll stand by my original statemet.


The fate of $600-$1,200 rebate checks for more than 100 million Americans is in limbo after Senate Republicans blocked a bid by Democrats to add $44 billion in help for the elderly, disabled veterans, the unemployed and businesses to the House-passed economic aid package.

Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.

Why not include all interested parties in the initial post? Like businesses which will probably see a good chunk of the money or the unemployed because of a failed economic policy. The elderly and disabled veterans are easy pickens and I want this to become a balance argument.

[tiny]

Hey! I'm a disabled vet and make six figures a year.

Pfffttt...

And you're lucky, Spook. You really are.

[SpookyWriter]

And you're lucky, Spook. You really are.Nope, college and a good choice of professions. But, as BF said it's not about me.

[tiny]

Nope, college and a good choice of professions. But, as BF said it's not about me.

Actually, I'm talking your disability. There are some injuries that won't allow that sort of success. So yes, you are lucky.

[SpookyWriter]

Actually, I'm talking your disability. There are some injuries that won't allow that sort of success. So yes, you are lucky.Head injury. Sorry, I didn't understand. My bad. Now back to the story.

[johnnysannie]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23027685/



Come on. A few extra bucks for the elderly, disabled vets, and people who can't afford to heat their homes aren't bad things. Get it done and quit squabbling.

The fact that the Republicans want to block adding the above folks to the payroll for this unprecedented stimulus demonstrates once more that they are the party for the wealthy while the Democrats, although many are just as wealthy, still have a little compassion left for the poor.