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William Haskins
12-07-2007, 06:11 AM
tax dollars at work...

Consider, for example, the way they were nattering on about such issues at the University of Delaware. As has been widely reported, a consciousness-raising program, orchestrated by the university and carried out by a cadre of Resident Assistants, aimed at (among other things) rooting out “racism” and other non-progressive attitudes about subjects like homosexuality, patriotism, the environment, capitalism, etc. Who or what is a racist? The training materials for those entrusted with overseeing the mandatory program in “diversity awareness” explain: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e. people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture, or sexuality. This episode had a happy ending, due largely to the intervention of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (F.I.R.E.), the admirable Philadelphia-based organization that has done an immense amount to combat political correctness and preserve individual rights on campus. After protracted correspondence with university officials, F.I.R.E. managed to bring enough notoriety to Delaware’s outrageous program of politically correct indoctrination that the university’s new president, Patrick T. Harker, ended the program. What would be worth investigating is how many such programs of moral and political indoctrination are proceeding unimpeded at other colleges and universities?http://newcriterion.com:81/archives/26/12/academic-consciousness-raising/

other interesting quotes from the university of delaware office of residence life diversity facilitation training document:

“A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination. (This does not deny the existence of such prejudices, hostilities, acts of rage or discrimination.)" - Page 3


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“REVERSE RACISM: A term created and used by white people to deny their white privilege. Those in denial use the term reverse racism to refer to hostile behavior by people of color toward whites, and to affirmative action policies, which allegedly give 'preferential treatment' to people of color over whites. In the U.S., there is no such thing as 'reverse racism.'" - Page 3


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“A NON-RACIST: A non-term. The term was created by whites to deny responsibility for systemic racism, to maintain an aura of innocence in the face of racial oppression, and to shift responsibility for that oppression from whites to people of color (called "blaming the victim"). Responsibility for perpetuating and legitimizing a racist system rests both on those who actively maintain it, and on those who refuse to challenge it. Silence is consent." - Page 3


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"Have you ever heard a well-meaning white person say, 'I'm not a member of any race except the human race?' What she usually means by this statement is that she doesn't want to perpetuate racial categories by acknowledging that she is white. This is an evasion of responsibility for her participation in a system based on supremacy for white people." - Page 8


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"The notion of indigenous people as more akin to animals than human beings is at the basis of U.S. policy toward Native Americans. In 1784 George Washington, famous Indian fighter, large landholder and slave owner, advised the Continental Congress that it would be cheaper for the new nation to buy up Indian land than to make war on Indian people for the land. If you make war, Washington cautioned, 'the savage as the wolf' - both wild beasts of the forest - will retreat for awhile and then come back to attack you. Washington's metaphor stuck. The young U.S. nation-state, and all sectors of European- American; began to view the Native American as a wild animal." - Page 10

http://www.thefire.org/pdfs/3d0208922083e5d59664be8371ab5f0f.pdf

maxmordon
12-07-2007, 06:46 AM
By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination.

Oh come on!, anyone can be racist. And this commentary is (ironically) already racist. Racism is just saying that my race is better [[add any other]] race because [[add incredibly one-sided and simplistic reason]]

Didn't Penn and Teller did an episode on this?

Opty
12-07-2007, 06:49 AM
Whomever wrote that bullshit deserves a special spot in hell.

Ridiculously racist "anti-racism" propaganda like that is a major reason racism continues to persist.

Voyager
12-07-2007, 07:13 AM
people of color cannot be racists

This statement always cracks me up. Ever been a black guy walking through the Highland area of East L.A., an area mostly controlled by the Mexican Mafia? No, you haven't. Know how I know? Cuz dead people can't type. Not only is racism just as rampant among minorities, but in the ghetto, it is much more vocal and even much more tolerated, mostly because, well you can't kill everybody. Not many people have that kind of time or money for ammo.

Joe270
12-07-2007, 07:14 AM
A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e. people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture, or sexuality.

So if this is the fundamental truth to their belief, then it is impossible to stop racism.

Then why bother trying with programs like this one?

rugcat
12-07-2007, 07:36 AM
Here's a question:

Is this passage from Raymond Chandler's The Long Goodbye racist?


"I looked at him too long. There was a brief half-seen move at my side and a numbing pain in the point of my shoulder. My whole arm went dead to the fingertips. I turned and looked at a big mean-looking Mexican. He wasn't grinning, he was just watching me. The .45 in his brown hand dropped to his side. He had a mustache and his head bulged with oily black hair brushed up and back and over and down. There was a dirty sombrero on the back of his head and the leather chin strap hung loose in two strands down the front of a stitched shirt that smelled of sweat. There is nothing -tougher than a tough Mexican, just as there is nothing gentler than a gentle Mexican, nothing more honest than an honest Mexican, and above all nothing sadder than a sad Mexican. This guy was one of the hard boys. They don't come any harder anywhere."

Voyager
12-07-2007, 07:49 AM
No one would question it if it were written by Ramon Calderon, so in my mind, no. And I have to say that the last lines are pretty insightful. Raymond Chandler must listen to a lot of Vicente Fernandez music :D

Here's a question:

Is this passage from Raymond Chandler's The Long Goodbye racist?


"I looked at him too long. There was a brief half-seen move at my side and a numbing pain in the point of my shoulder. My whole arm went dead to the fingertips. I turned and looked at a big mean-looking Mexican. He wasn't grinning, he was just watching me. The .45 in his brown hand dropped to his side. He had a mustache and his head bulged with oily black hair brushed up and back and over and down. There was a dirty sombrero on the back of his head and the leather chin strap hung loose in two strands down the front of a stitched shirt that smelled of sweat. There is nothing -tougher than a tough Mexican, just as there is nothing gentler than a gentle Mexican, nothing more honest than an honest Mexican, and above all nothing sadder than a sad Mexican. This guy was one of the hard boys. They don't come any harder anywhere."

William Haskins
12-07-2007, 07:55 AM
Here's a question:

Is this passage from Raymond Chandler's The Long Goodbye racist?

no.

rugcat
12-07-2007, 08:10 AM
Would it be racist if it weren't brilliant writing?

It's giving specific attributes to an entire set of people -- describing "Mexicans" in general as having certain characteristics. Does something have to be derogatory to be racist? If I say, there's no one smarter than a smart Jew, is that racist?

Tiger
12-07-2007, 08:20 AM
I guess the irony of such idiocy occuring in so-called institutions of higher learning has been observed to death. Still, I think it's worth mentioning yet another time.

I wonder if there's a graduate program in idiocy. If there isn't, why not? It'd probably result in a great savings in ink.

Magdalen
12-07-2007, 08:22 AM
I guess the content of my character wouldn't mean shit to the authors of that diversity training document. There is no statute of limitations on victimhood, for some people.

Voyager
12-07-2007, 08:24 AM
Or there's no one more patriotic than an American? I think it's making generalizations, but being of the Mexican persuasion myself, they're generally true. I don't get offended easily because there are an inordinate amount of really mean ass gang bangers in my family, Federales are the meanest looking mo fo's I've ever seen, and a large percentage of the hardworking and honest members of my family are gardeners. I'm not a hypocrite, so no, I'm not offended.

Would it be racist if it weren't brilliant writing?

It's giving specific attributes to an entire set of people -- describing "Mexicans" in general as having certain characteristics. Does something have to be derogatory to be racist? If I say, there's no one smarter than a smart Jew, is that racist?

clintl
12-07-2007, 08:34 AM
Apparently, Delaware's football program was exempt anyway. (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/070920&sportCat=ncf)

Magdalen
12-07-2007, 08:36 AM
Would it be racist if it weren't brilliant writing?

It's giving specific attributes to an entire set of people -- describing "Mexicans" in general as having certain characteristics. Does something have to be derogatory to be racist? If I say, there's no one smarter than a smart Jew, is that racist?


There is nothing -tougher than a tough Mexican, just as there is nothing gentler than a gentle Mexican, nothing more honest than an honest Mexican, and above all nothing sadder than a sad Mexican. This guy was one of the hard boys. They don't come any harder anywhere."

I think the author avoids that by providing a range of possible behaviors within the category of "Mexican". If he had limited the ethnic group to only tough or sad or honest, that would have been "racist" because it would indicate that the individual was only capable of ( or was heavily predisposed toward) a (limited) certain type of behavior.

I tend to have a very strong bias against asshole-type of people, but I am never able to identify them as such until they start saying asshole-type stuff. I've found that there are asshole-type people in every single ethnic group that I've ever met!

Voyager
12-07-2007, 08:38 AM
I tend to have a very strong bias against asshole-type of people, but I am never able to identify them as such until they start saying asshole-type stuff. I've found that there are asshole-type people in every single ethnic group that I've ever met!

I hearby decree asshole-type a technical term. Excellent points, Mag.

Joe270
12-07-2007, 08:49 AM
asshole-type

AHT for short.

See also: AHT with HUTA syndrome.

HUTA: Head Up Their Ass.

Voyager
12-07-2007, 08:51 AM
HUTA: Head Up Their Ass.

OMG, I think I have that! Are the symptoms fatigue, insomnia, nymphomania coupled with ED, sudden weight gain with inexplicable weight loss and frequent urination? OMG, I think I have that!

Bravo
12-07-2007, 08:55 AM
Whomever wrote that bullshit deserves a special spot in hell.


did you really just use the word "whomever" in an actual sentence?

it's one of the single worst words in the english language.

i hope you join whoever it was that wrote that in hell.

Joe270
12-07-2007, 09:05 AM
"whilst" is the worst one.

Profanity is better than whilst.

Joe270
12-07-2007, 09:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe270
HUTA: Head Up Their Ass.

OMG, I think I have that! Are the symptoms fatigue, insomnia, nymphomania coupled with ED, sudden weight gain with inexplicable weight loss and frequent urination? OMG, I think I have that!

No, you're safe, none of those are symptoms.

The most common symptom is loss of the sense of smell. Suddenly, an HUTA syndrome victim will notice their shit does not stink.

Magdalen
12-07-2007, 09:14 AM
RE: Whomever wrote that bullshit deserves a special spot in hell.

Plus I believe you used it incorrectly. Whomever is the objective case, so the who would have to be an object of the preposition "in" but it's not.

blacbird
12-07-2007, 09:21 AM
Purty stupid stuff. Proves that universities are trainable.

caw

Lyra Jean
12-07-2007, 09:40 AM
This just reaffirms my belief that white people are not allowed to have a culture.

blacbird
12-07-2007, 11:37 AM
This just reaffirms my belief that white people are not allowed to have a culture.

A whut?

caw

Voyager
12-07-2007, 11:39 AM
Yeah, what Blacbird said. What has any other race got to do with the fact that white people do or do not have a culture anyway?

Tiger
12-07-2007, 12:02 PM
"What kind of a country is this, where I cain't hate someone unless he's white?"

-H. Hill

Angelinity
12-07-2007, 12:28 PM
tax dollars at work...



“A RACIST: A racist is one who is both privileged and socialized on the basis of race by a white supremacist (racist) system. The term applies to all white people (i.e., people of European descent) living in the United States, regardless of class, gender, religion, culture or sexuality. By this definition, people of color cannot be racists, because as peoples within the U.S. system, they do not have the power to back up their prejudices, hostilities, or acts of discrimination. (This does not deny the existence of such prejudices, hostilities, acts of rage or discrimination.)" - Page 3


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“REVERSE RACISM: A term created and used by white people to deny their white privilege. Those in denial use the term reverse racism to refer to hostile behavior by people of color toward whites, and to affirmative action policies, which allegedly give 'preferential treatment' to people of color over whites. In the U.S., there is no such thing as 'reverse racism.'" - Page 3


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“A NON-RACIST: A non-term. The term was created by whites to deny responsibility for systemic racism, to maintain an aura of innocence in the face of racial oppression, and to shift responsibility for that oppression from whites to people of color (called "blaming the victim"). Responsibility for perpetuating and legitimizing a racist system rests both on those who actively maintain it, and on those who refuse to challenge it. Silence is consent." - Page 3


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"Have you ever heard a well-meaning white person say, 'I'm not a member of any race except the human race?' What she usually means by this statement is that she doesn't want to perpetuate racial categories by acknowledging that she is white. This is an evasion of responsibility for her participation in a system based on supremacy for white people." - Page 8


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"The notion of indigenous people as more akin to animals than human beings is at the basis of U.S. policy toward Native Americans. In 1784 George Washington, famous Indian fighter, large landholder and slave owner, advised the Continental Congress that it would be cheaper for the new nation to buy up Indian land than to make war on Indian people for the land. If you make war, Washington cautioned, 'the savage as the wolf' - both wild beasts of the forest - will retreat for awhile and then come back to attack you. Washington's metaphor stuck. The young U.S. nation-state, and all sectors of European- American; began to view the Native American as a wild animal." - Page 10



goes to show just what the value of a university degree can be -- preparing young minds for the challenges of life, encouraging them to understand the society they live in, empowering them to succeed...right.

just imagine a fresh Delaware graduate going out into the world with all this indoctrination planted solidly in his/her head -- sad.

Bartholomew
12-07-2007, 12:31 PM
All white people are racists. All jews are misers. All black people like chicken. Asian people are all really good at math, and latinos all have broken down cars. These are facts, people. The pamphlet says so.

Angelinity
12-07-2007, 12:34 PM
All white people are racists. All jews are misers. All black people like chicken. Asian people are all really good at math, and latinos all have broken down cars. These are facts, people. The pamphlet says so.


what about eskimos?

Voyager
12-07-2007, 01:18 PM
and latinos all have broken down cars. These are facts, people. The pamphlet says so.

I triple dog dare you to find them under the grass :P

DonnaDuck
12-07-2007, 07:32 PM
*headdesk* How much do you think a private island would cost? But would I be racist if I didn't let anyone else other than my dog on it or can I be deemed an "equal opportunity hater"?

ETA--Both a shameless self-promotiong and thoroughly relevant--Headuprectumitis (http://kateboddie.blogspot.com/2007/10/headuprectumitis.html). I wrote it after I was confronted by a te-wat in a Mercedes that felt the need to block the entire parking lot because she didn't want me to park my car. Why? Pft, I have no idea. Because she thought her poo didn't stink? All I did was turn into the parking lot. How dare I, I know.

Lyra Jean
12-07-2007, 08:04 PM
I didn't say white people didn't have one but that we aren't allowed. At least from my experience. Which in the big wide world doesn't mean too much.

We used to have Lincoln's Birthday and Washington's Birthday but now we just have president's day.

Where I live we used to have Hernando DeSoto day but now we have to call founder's day or something like that.

SC Harrison
12-07-2007, 08:59 PM
what about eskimos?

They live in igloos, rub noses with each other, chase fat animals around so they can eat their fat, leave Grandmother out in the cold so the polar bears can have a snack, and they prefer ice cream over ice milk. Mostly.

Haphazard
12-08-2007, 12:59 AM
Umm.

Racism has been around as long as other people have met people that looked different from them. That's like... forever. Pretty much as long as the human race has existed. Racism is just something people do. If anything, I'd say we're getting better about it, not worse, but this may prove me wrong...

And, as Avenue Q says, "Everyone's a little bit racist!"

Voyager
12-08-2007, 01:17 AM
Okay, I get what you're saying now. But I thought the whole compiling the holidays thing had more to do with the fact that we were becoming like the Romans under Nero's rule, more holidays than work days.

I didn't say white people didn't have one but that we aren't allowed. At least from my experience. Which in the big wide world doesn't mean too much.

We used to have Lincoln's Birthday and Washington's Birthday but now we just have president's day.

Where I live we used to have Hernando DeSoto day but now we have to call founder's day or something like that.

Opty
12-08-2007, 02:21 AM
did you really just use the word "whomever" in an actual sentence?

it's one of the single worst words in the english language.

i hope you join whoever it was that wrote that in hell.

I think it actually should've been "whoever."

So, double poo on me.

Opty
12-08-2007, 11:02 AM
RE: Whomever wrote that bullshit deserves a special spot in hell.

Plus I believe you used it incorrectly. Whomever is the objective case, so the who would have to be an object of the preposition "in" but it's not.

I don't need the "in" if it's a direct object or indirect object (non-prep). Not all objective cases are prepositional.

Unfortunately, I used an objective case pronoun as a nominative (I think).

So, as I said, I did use it wrong but I believe you're also wrong about how I wrongly used it.

:)

blacbird
12-08-2007, 11:07 AM
All white people are racists. All jews are misers. All black people like chicken. Asian people are all really good at math, and latinos all have broken down cars. These are facts, people. The pamphlet says so.

Wait a minute. I'm white, a Protestant Lutheran Christian by upbriging, but I don't think I'm a racist. But I am a miser. And I love chicken. And, dammit, I have a broken-down car.

Crap. My entire self-image has been ruined.

I need a drink. Oh, wait . . . that makes me Scottish.

Crap.

caw

Bartholomew
12-08-2007, 11:32 AM
Wait a minute. I'm white, a Protestant Lutheran Christian by upbriging, but I don't think I'm a racist. But I am a miser. And I love chicken. And, dammit, I have a broken-down car.

Crap. My entire self-image has been ruined.

I need a drink. Oh, wait . . . that makes me Scottish.

Crap.

caw

Nah, you're just a filthy mudblood.