Behler Publications

[priceless1]

Okay, with all the negative stuff we've been reading about lately, I had to share some really great news. I posted here because I felt it had everything to do with legitimacy and honesty. This comes from our marketing director, Diana Hignutt.

"Yes, folks, it's official. Behler Publications will be meeting with the editors of Publishers Weekly in NY on July 28, 2004 to introduce our company, discuss our titles, present our catalog, and deliver some review copies. We got between 30-40 minutes of their time. Please send me your positive energy and and enthusiasm at 10:30am est on the 28th! "

Diana Hignutt
Director of Marketing
Behler Publications
diana@behlerpublications.com


We're small, but growing, always keeping our eye on honesty, integrity and pride in our authors.

Many of you have been very supportive in the past with some of the things that happened to me personally, and I wanted to take the time to share some really happy news.

Best to all,

[Betty W01]

Lynn, that's great news. Good luck!! :clover

[vstrauss]

Lynn, that's great--congratulations.

- Victoria

[priceless1]

I couldn't get the same day as my meeting with PW, but on Monday August 2 at 3:30pm, I'll be meeting with Sam Tannehaus, Book Review Editor at the NY Times, the single most prestigious newspaper in the world. It's just going to be another trip on the train up to NY. I don't think that's too expensive. Are you pleased?

Diana
_______

We feel very on top of the world right now. With all the roadblocks that others tried to throw in our faces, this just makes it all the sweeter. Wow. Honesty really does pay off.

[CaoPaux]

:dancin

[emeraldcite]

Congrats! This is a great step, and hopefully only the first!

[lastr]

Congratulations! After all the trials your group has gone through, this is very well deserved. I am just so pleased for you all.

:snoopy

Happy dance in your honor

[Ed Williams 3]

...and your success doesn't surprise me one bit. Go up there to the big city, hit home runs, and then let me know if you need someone to wax your car or tend the pool for you.

YER A WINNER! KNEW IT RIGHT FROM THE START!

[RejectME]

Hi Lynn,

Congrats on the news. That is wonderful for you and the literary world as a whole. Thanks for the hard work!

Best,

Jerry :party

[priceless1]

This just came from a phone call from our marketing director, Diana Hignutt:

"In a telephone meeting with B&N Small Press Dept. this morning, they agreed to order some copies of Charley Sunday's Texas Outfit! for a store stocking trial."

Now, we have no idea how many they are willing to order. We're betting 10 or 15. But it's national and they're willing to give us a chance to prove ourselves.

I've decided to float on air today.

[aka eraser]

Congratulations Lynn, sounds like an important step on the road to recognition.

I don't know a whole heck of a lot about the inner workings of all aspects of a publishing company. My contacts have been with editorial, art/design and marketing so forgive me if my question sounds lame.

Does "proving yourself" have as much to do with how efficient your shipping is - invoicing - acceptance of returns et al as much as it does with the overall look and salability of the product? Or is the emphasis just on the book itself?

[FM St George]

*does happy snoopy dance*

[priceless1]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Does "proving yourself" have as much to do with how efficient your shipping is - invoicing - acceptance of returns et al as much as it does with the overall look and salability of the product? Or is the emphasis just on the book itself?<hr></blockquote>
Frank, proving ourselves has to do with our overall look, quality of the book (which B&N already has in their hands so they already see how good it looks), and saleability. We all know the competition for shelf space is huge, and for someone at the corporate level to give us the time of day speaks volumes.

We're already listed with Baker and Taylor and have just completed setting up a personal relationship with Ingram. Baker and Taylor ordered 50 copies of this title for their distribution centers and that is what eventually won this person at B&N over.

In this case, our shipping is moot because the books are already sitting in the distribution center. But on top of that, we make print runs so if a store orders directly from us, they'll get the books within days. And yes, at that point, our ability to fulfill and invoice in a timely matter counts big time.

In fact we had an order from an indie bookstore the other day on another title and were thrilled to know we could get the books to them within days because of our sizeable print run and warehousing.

I'm still going to continue floating.

[aka eraser]

Thanks for the info Lynn. Happy floating! :thumbs

[LiamJackson]

Lynn,

Congratulations on your recent successes. Just goes to show that nice folks don't always finish last.

[priceless1]

If you'll indulge me for a minute, I just have to share this news with the many of you who offered kind words and support during a particularly trying time. I just received a call from Diana Hignutt, our marketing director, as she was taking the train back from New York. It sounds as though her meeting with Publisher's Weekly couldn’t have gone better than if we had scripted it ourselves.

She met with all of the editors of PW for an hour. They loved our catalogue and were most impressed with its quality.

They were incredibly impressed with the press/media kits Diana puts together on all our authors, saying they were extraordinarily good.

They loved our covers and the quality of our books. Yes, Diana took a copy of every book we have printed to show to them.

They were most impressed with our strong collection of titles, which is a serious recognition of honor to each of our fine writers.

They were shocked that we'd only been around since January. But most importantly, PW told Diana that we were doing everything right to become the company we’ve envisioned all along. Wow.

I’m fairly certain that my feet will not touch terra firma today. Or maybe tomorrow.

Our NY Times meeting with Sam Tannehaus, Book Review Editor is next week, so we'll start putting out the great vibes for this, too.

[FM St George]

{{{{{{{{{{{sending good vibes your way}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

now I feel obliged to go FINISH writing...

:D

you GO, GIRL!!!

[MacAl Stone]

:clap Congratulations! :snoopy

[James D Macdonald]

Congrats, Lynn -- a strong small press is the basis of bookselling.

[aka eraser]

Good stuff. :D

[maestrowork]

Wonderful!

Now, I just need to put something in the mail for your guys... :-)

[Sher2]

:clap That is absolutely wonderful news! You're obviously doing all the right things. Kudos!

[lindylou45]

Not only is that great news for you, but it's wonderful news for your authors. It sounds like you are very aware of what needs to be done to make a success out of your new publishing firm. I couldn't be happier for your and your authors.

:jump :party

[priceless1]

Whew, thanks everyone. After getting my hide flamed by someone who has an axe to grind over on another board, I need a breath of fresh air. And a drink!

[writersblock]

Does anyone know anything, good or bad, about this publisher? Thanks!

[mdin]

Lynn Price, the owner of Behler is a semi-regular contributor to this forum. A few of their authors post here, too. They're new, but they've managed to get books reviewed in Publisher's Weekly, which is a feat not accomplished by most small presses of their age.

[James D. Macdonald]

URL for Behler:

http://www.behlerpublications.com/

[DeadlyAccurate]

You might PM priceless1 and ask her, in case she doesn't see this.

[priceless1]

Does anyone happen to know whether Behler publishes books in hardcover?

Thank you! :)
Hi Barbarique, I've had the nicest conversations with your agent today. Turns out you live somewhat near me. Lunch? I'm heading down to the desert next weekend and you're right on the way.

Anyway, we don't print in hardcover at this time. We did it a couple times to test the waters and felt the demand didn't justify the cost.

[priceless1]

I just found out that one of our books is being made into a movie (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118006730.html?categoryId=13&cs=1). The star is my new best love, Michael C. Hall from the dark and addictive Showtime TV show, Dexter (http://www.sho.com/site/dexter/home.do).

East Fifth Bliss (http://behlerpublications.com/titles-light.shtml) by the achingly talented Douglas Light won a gold medal Benjamin Franklin award in the fiction category (the toughest category of any competition) two years ago, and this book deserved every accolade it received. Truly one of my all-time favorite books. I'm so excited I just may have to blow off the rest of my day.

Who says little publishers can't get the job done?

[triceretops]

Astonishing news! This will be a nice cap feather! Yay for a great small press that does everything right and deserves it!

(((((((Priceless1))))))))

Tri

[Twizzle]

now that deserves some margaritas. major congrats!

[LLauren]

OMG, Priceless, CONGRATULATIONS! That's incredible (but deserved) news.

[Gravity]

Great going, Priceless!!

[Sheryl Nantus]

yay!

[IceCreamEmpress]

Great news. Congratulations to Douglas Light, and to all of you at Behler.

[KAP]

WooHoo! Sounds exciting. Good reason to kick back and celebrate.

[M.R.J. Le Blanc]

:hooray: :snoopy: :partyguy: That's such great news!!!

[Erin]

How exciting! Congrats, Priceless!

[Alphabeter]

Unfortunately PA exists and even more so, Lynn was sucked into their muck. However, she was able to grow and learn from her experience and has created a real publishing company of talented authors whose quality books are so good that Hollywood has come knocking.

Of all the knocks one gets from PA, this is the best FU back at 'em. PublishAmerica has NEVER SOLD a single manuscript for adaption into any kind of movie and/or television production and they have been in business for much longer than five years!

Super mega terrific congratulations to you, the author and all of Behler. It couldn't have happened to more deserving people!

:party:

[Old Hack]

Many, many congratulations to the author AND to Behler Publications, and all who sail in her. I send virtual margaritas and a good few slaps on the back. Well done!

[priceless1]

Unfortunately PA exists and even more so, Lynn was sucked into their muck.
'Tis true. It was many years ago, and it was truly awful. Those who have been around for a number of years will remember how they exposed my hubby's name and where we live in a public forum and the vicious lies they and their lackeys spread about me. Thankfully their audience is narrow and unimportant, and we quickly recovered. It was a dark time, to be sure.

However, I'm a believer that dark times shape who and what you eventually become. I didn't get pissed; I got even. Had that not happened, Behler would have never been born, so you can be sure that we toasted a certain acerbic, lying, cheating helicopter owner.

[priceless1]

I thought I'd pop in to update the goings on at Behler. My main reason for doing so is to say that there is life after PA. It's hard to believe how many years have passed since I first got sucked into the black hole of PA. The irony is enough to choke a horse when I stop to consider that had they not run me through the mud in an ugly, public manner, Behler Pub wouldn't have happened.

We were lucky and worked very hard. And that luck and hard work has brought us some amazing authors who write very amazing books. Just this past weekend, our new book Jan's Story (http://behlerpublications.com/titles-petersen.shtml) hit the stores, and the author, Barry Petersen (http://www.barrypetersen.com/), had an amazing expose on CBS Sunday Morning News With Charles Osgood.

Within one hour, all the books sold out on Amazon. Within 24 hours, all 5k units in our distributor's warehouse went flying out the door, with requests for a 10k print run.

This happened with another one of our books back in February - Nothing Short of Joy (http://behlerpublications.com/titles-genovese.shtml) by Julie Genovese (http://www.nothingshortofjoy.com/). We went from being 1500 remaining units to the good to 750 units on backorder within two days. To date, she's sold 5k units. Since February.

We have other fabulous books coming out, but one that I'm especially thrilled about is Kim Richardson's (http://www.theunbreakablechild.com/) The Unbreakable Child (http://behlerpublications.com/titles-richardson.shtml). As luck would have it, I'd been following Kim's book when it came out last year with Kunati. I knew Derek was in the process of imploding and knew that Kim's book was keeping his doors open. Because of her publishing experience, I knew Kim had been beat up in stellar fashion, and I remember just aching for her. So when her lovely agent contacted me, I nearly fell out of my chair. This isn't a book I'd normally do, but Kim touched me in ways that many don't. It's an honor to be a part of this project, and we expect this fabulous, updated book to be a huge seller.

In fact, it's an honor to be a part of all my authors' projects because I love each of them for many different reasons. When our distributor imploded last year, I thought I'd die. My god...how could I do right for my authors? But PPG came to our rescue, and I love these guys because we experience very few returns because they're conservative, they've been around forever, and they know everyone.

I'm proud to say we're one of the good guys. I guess my main point is that just because you think you've hit rock bottom because someone scammed you, it's not the end of the world. You can do yourself the biggest favor of all and also strike back at the rat bastids who screwed you by becoming a success.

Clopper, Meiners, I hope you see this because I'd like to thank you for attempting to ruin my life. Once I got my novel out of your clutches, I totally rewrote it on the advice of my attorney, and it went on to get a gold medal IPPY. Our books are selling very well, we have wonderful distribution, and very big agents routinely query us with lovely works. Life is good.

[CaoPaux]

If that don't call for some dancing bananas, I don't know what does. :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

[JulieB]

Glad to know that life after PA is good. Congratulations!

[Bubastes]

Congratulations!!!

[Daddyo]

Y'all are definitely one of the good guys (gals). Keep on truckin' mama!

[priceless1]

We just signed a distribution deal with Consortium. Very thrilled about it all.

[CaoPaux]

Kewl! Does that give you a different channel or a larger one?

[priceless1]

Infinitely bigger, Cao. We found out the hard way that our previous "distributor" is little more than a glorified Ingram - horrible and inefficient. With virtually no help from them, we managed to sell 13,000 units of Jan's Story, and counting. With Consortium, we expect these sales to be the norm for our new books because they have a very large reach within in the industry.

[Chumplet]

Would that mean distribution into Canada (i.e. Chapters-Indigo-Coles)? It's a moot point, since I'm Canadian and can't submit (wahhhh!) but American authors might be curious.

[priceless1]

Yes, Chumpie, it means Canadian distribution, and because of this, we're considering opening up queries to our northern cousins.

[blacbird]

Lynn Price, the owner of Behler is a semi-regular contributor to this forum. A few of their authors post here, too.

As he himself seems not to have posted in this thread, I will for him: Ray Wong (aka Maestrowork) had his first novel published by Behler. I have a copy, have read it, and found both it and the quality of the physical publication very good.

Now he owes me a beer.

[Chumplet]

Yes, Chumpie, it means Canadian distribution, and because of this, we're considering opening up queries to our northern cousins.

OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY!

[Chumplet]

As he himself seems not to have posted in this thread, I will for him: Ray Wong (aka Maestrowork) had his first novel published by Behler. I have a copy, have read it, and found both it and the quality of the physical publication very good.

Now he owes me a beer.

I also have an autographed copy which I won online and enjoyed very much, then I dropped it in a puddle and freaked out but it was okay. Especially Ray's signature!

[tbrosz]

Congratulations, Lynn, on "taking your first step into a larger world!"

(Shoot up a big red flare if you ever decide to start publishing fantasy novels!)

[Old Hack]

Lynn, that's fabulous news. I'm so glad: for you, for Behler, and for your authors. Yay!

[callalily61]

Congrats, Lynn! Much good sales mojo to you!

[priceless1]

They want us to come back to Minnesota Jan. 17 and meet the gang and sales teams. My thoughts (being a S. Californian) "WHAT? You're hovering at -3 and have mounds of snow!" Gah.

[Daddyo]

"They want us to come back to Minnesota Jan. 17 and meet the gang and sales teams. My thoughts (being a S. Californian) "WHAT? You're hovering at -3 and have mounds of snow!" Gah."

Reminds me of a friend of mine, who has to attend an industrial trade show each year in January in Chicago. I'm assuming their industrial trade organization gets excellent rates on venue space and hotels. He lives in Texas and just doesn't handle blizzards well.

[tbrosz]

They want us to come back to Minnesota Jan. 17 and meet the gang and sales teams. My thoughts (being a S. Californian) "WHAT? You're hovering at -3 and have mounds of snow!" Gah.

Oh, come on. I grew up there. Minus 3 is T-shirt weather.

Sounds like Consortium is in the Keg House in the Northeast Minneapolis Art District. (http://www.northeastminneapolisartsdistrict.com/index.php) Could be a fun visit.

[priceless1]

T, with all that snow and freezing air, no way will we be doing any touristy stuff. We'll be in and out. Now, their sales meetings in New York is a whole other batch of cookies...

[Terie]

Now, their sales meetings in New York is a whole other batch of cookies...

These days, wouldn't that be cupcakes?

[The Troubadour]

Hi everyone. Lynn recently requested a partial from me. (Yes, I'm blushing. Yes, I admit to my BP crush. And yes, I'm praying she makes it past the proposal to the stunning sample chapters).

However, I admit I'm torturing myself with anxiety as I wait for a response.

This morning, while playing Connect Four with my daughter, she looked at me and asked, "Abba, why do you keep biting your nails?"

"I'm nervous."

"Why? It's just a game, Abba. Don't be nervous."

"No sweetie, I just sent a part of my book to a publisher I like, and I'm anxious to hear back from her."

"To see if she likes it?"

"Yes."

"Why don't you email her and ask if she likes it?"

"No," I said, grinning, "you can't do that."

"Why not?"

"Because then her beagle will eat my pages."

She looked at me, seemed to accept the explanation as reasonable, and then went on to defeat me.

In other words: does anyone know how long Lynn takes to respond to a partial?

My daughter thanks you.

[Giant Baby]

Hi everyone. Lynn recently requested a partial from me. (Yes, I'm blushing. Yes, I admit to my BP crush. And yes, I'm praying she makes it past the proposal to the stunning sample chapters).

However, I admit I'm torturing myself with anxiety as I wait for a response.

This morning, while playing Connect Four with my daughter, she looked at me and asked, "Abba, why do you keep biting your nails?"

"I'm nervous."

"Why? It's just a game, Abba. Don't be nervous."

"No sweetie, I just sent a part of my book to a publisher I like, and I'm anxious to hear back from her."

"To see if she likes it?"

"Yes."

"Why don't you email her and ask if she likes it?"

"No," I said, grinning, "you can't do that."

"Why not?"

"Because then her beagle will eat my pages."

She looked at me, seemed to accept the explanation as reasonable, and then went on to defeat me.

In other words: does anyone know how long Lynn takes to respond to a partial?

My daughter thanks you.

Hi, The Troubadour!

Hang in there and hand your daughter the Monopoly set (although, I'm a particular fan of cribbage is she's ready for it). Behler's response time is three months (give or take) at the moment.

Good luck!

GB.

[tbrosz]

Hi everyone. Lynn recently requested a partial from me. (Yes, I'm blushing. Yes, I admit to my BP crush. And yes, I'm praying she makes it past the proposal to the stunning sample chapters).

However, I admit I'm torturing myself with anxiety as I wait for a response.

The real question is, are you going to be one of those unfortunate queries she rants about on her blog, and makes into...oh, no...An Example?

Just kidding. She knows her business and is a real sweetheart. Well, if you pay attention to the query instructions, that is. :)

[The Troubadour]

Hi Giant Baby. My daughter actually loves Monopoly—perhaps we'll break it out. And thanks for the info. Three months response after a partial request. Okay. Got it.

And a blog example, tbrosz? I keep checking, and haven't been made famous yet. So all is clear on the beagle front so far.

[spentastico]

Had a really unprofessional exchange with Lynn at Behler today. This is my first dealing with this company, and I will never recommend these people to anyone despite the cheery posts previous here.

I read the submission guidelines on their site: http://behlerpublications.com/submissions.shtml (http://behlerpublications.com/submissions.shtml). It lists some fiction they don't want and mentions a focus on non-fiction now. So I sent them a quick query to see if they might be interested in my novel since it wasn't any of the types listed that they don't want.

I got this reply from Lynn Price:

"It’s always a good idea to visit the publisher’s website – we haven’t accepted fiction for over two years. Best of luck to you."


Weird... I did and read it thoroughly. Okay, so I sent a message back saying thanks and that they might want to update that on their submission page. Lynn Price then quickly wrote back:

"You're right - they probably aren't clear enough:


PLEASE READ THESE GUIDELINES CAREFULLY -
WE PUBLISH NONFICTION ONLY. ALL FICTION QUERIES WILL BE EATEN BY THE BEAGLE


The first paragraph of our guidelines. http://behlerblog.com/submissions-guidelines/ (http://behlerblog.com/submissions-guidelines/)


Excellence in memoir/biography
On our About Us page. http://behlerpublications.com/about.shtml (http://behlerpublications.com/about.shtml)



Lastly, I mistook you for a professional. Given your behavior, I can see I was in error. Again, my mistake."

Wow.

Apparently they have a blog, too, that I a) was not aware of even though I read the site and b) can't access. My main source of Internet comes from my work, and a lot of frivolous, profane sites are blocked.

As we all know, professionalism is either saying, "thanks, but no thanks" or nothing at all. Lynn Price is apparently incapable of this. Pass on this company, IMHO.

[spentastico]

Update: I'm currently embroiled in quite the heated e-mail exchange with Lynn Price now. I'll post the details after it's over. It's pretty much me asking why she's angry and that I just made a suggestion and her flinging insults at me. Funny stuff! We've got a psycho here, folks. Stay tuned.

[CaoPaux]

Uh huh. Just be aware that you're approaching this from a position of poor reading comprehension, and others may interpret the exchange differently.

[Terie]

Uh huh. Just be aware that you're approaching this from a position of poor reading comprehension, and others may interpret the exchange differently.

Also? There's the whole thing about not responding to form letter rejections. Doing that right there is, in and of itself, often considered to be a sign of lack of professionalism.

[Polenth]

The blog submissions page is very clear about being non-fiction only, but it looks like the main website is out-of-date. The main website submission page says they don't take genre fiction, and that they're concentrating on non-fiction stories. I'd have also read it as meaning they occasionally take on a compatible fiction project (as long as it's not genre fiction and it's above a certain word count).

I don't know who said what in the private exchange... but I can see why it'd confuse people.

[Terie]

The blog submissions page is very clear about being non-fiction only, but it looks like the main website is out-of-date. The main website submission page says they don't take genre fiction, and that they're concentrating on non-fiction stories. I'd have also read it as meaning they occasionally take on a compatible fiction project (as long as it's not genre fiction and it's above a certain word count).

I don't know who said what in the private exchange... but I can see why it'd confuse people.

The first submissions page linked to above doesn't seem to be accessible from the Behler site. When you click 'Submissions' on the home page, it goes to the Submissions page on the blog. It might be a rogue page that someone forgot to remove from the server and can now be accessed only via a search engine. So, yes, someone at Behler needs to look into and take care of that.

But arguing with a form rejection letter is just never ever a good idea.

[Sheryl Nantus]

Update: I'm currently embroiled in quite the heated e-mail exchange with Lynn Price now. I'll post the details after it's over. It's pretty much me asking why she's angry and that I just made a suggestion and her flinging insults at me. Funny stuff! We've got a psycho here, folks. Stay tuned.

Free advice - you're not coming across as mature in this post. In fact you're looking like a whiny little kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

"Psycho" isn't a good word to be using. If you continue to post you might want to tone back the hysteria and be as professional as you can be.

Others read these posts. Other publishers, agents and they might not want to enter into a relationship with an immature author bleating across the 'net.

Just my two cents.

[Queen of Swords]

As we all know, professionalism is either saying, "thanks, but no thanks" or nothing at all. Lynn Price is apparently incapable of this.

It's true, the submissions page you linked to could be clearer. But getting involved in a "heated e-mail exchange" and calling a publisher a psycho probably isn't the best way to go about taking the high ground.

[Jamiekswriter]

[QUOTE=spentastico;7057136]Update: I'm currently embroiled in quite the heated e-mail exchange with Lynn Price now. QUOTE]

Why?

It's not as if she's going to go . . . "You know, you're right. I must publish your book because of the heated debate we were having. And authors who call me psycho on BBS's? Are just the type of person I want to work with."

Move along. Query another publisher. Do your research better next time. Don't just read one source.

[spentastico]

We're not talking about the book. She's making personal attacks, and I'm asking why are you making personal attacks? I've been rejected a bunch of times; it doesn't bother me.

[spentastico]

I didn't get a form rejection. And if you saw some of the stuff she's railed about in the past couple hours, you'd know that "psycho" is a friendly term. I value that she has a career and stuff, so the above is all I'm going to post.

Just posting this here as a warning to others who might consider this company. Don't.

edit: Darn. Should've combined these 2 posts. Now I'm starting to look a little nutty. I'm done here! *runs away*

[Momento Mori]

spentastico:
So I sent them a quick query to see if they might be interested in my novel since it wasn't any of the types listed that they don't want.

Erm. I can kinda see why she'd be ticked off given that the submission guidelines are pretty clear they're not taking fiction:

Behler Publications Website:
We are currently concentrating on works of non-fiction personal journeys with social relevance.

Our niche is pretty tight. We don't accept mysteries, SF/Fantasy, YA, romance, westerns, short stories, self help/How To, cookbooks, poetry, religous, previously published books, collections or vignettes, novellas - anything under 50,000 words.

The clue is in the words "We are currently concentrating on works of non-fiction personal journeys with social relevance".

spentastico:
As we all know, professionalism is either saying, "thanks, but no thanks" or nothing at all. Lynn Price is apparently incapable of this. Pass on this company, IMHO.

Should Lynn have taken that tone in the email? Probably not. But you're clearly running an agenda here.

spentastico:
Funny stuff! We've got a psycho here, folks. Stay tuned.

Yeah. I don't think you and I are going to agree on which one of you is the psycho though.

spentastico:
She's making personal attacks, and I'm asking why are you making personal attacks? I've been rejected a bunch of times; it doesn't bother me.

If personal attacks don't bother you then why do you insist on provoking them? Fair enough if you get off on it, but there's a word for that kind of behaviour.

MM

[tbrosz]

Whoops. Too late. Now he's an Example on the Blog. (http://behlerblog.com/2012/03/01/things-to-avoid/)

Ewww...with all the messy details, too.

[IceCreamEmpress]

Had a really unprofessional exchange with Lynn at Behler today.

You do seem to have been pretty unprofessional. Why did you feel the need to share your less-than-ideal behavior here?

On the upside, I guess it's a helpful reminder to everyone that a) it's important to read publishers' guidelines carefully, and b) that Behler Publications hasn't been accepting fiction submissions for a couple of years.

[Momento Mori]

Behler, 1. spentastico, 0.

MM

[MacAllister]

Really?

Spentastico, you really thought this was an appropriate use of this forum and of this thread? You really thought it appropriate to post a warning about a publisher in a highly-Googleable place, as petty revenge because she wasn't sufficiently impressed by and deferent to your high-handed email tantrum?

Perhaps this (http://www.scribd.com/doc/7771818/Butt-Hurt-Report-Form) would help?

http://absolutewrite.com/wordpress/var/www/html/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2012/03/butthurt.jpg

[Terie]

I didn't get a form rejection.

Yes, you did. No publisher not currently accepting X will send anything BUT a form rejection letter to a writer who submits X.

The fact that you didn't recognise it as such and took it as an invitation to pursue correspondence is, as previously mentioned, a sign of lack of professionalism.

[DeaK]

In the blog post Lynn(?) says they had an erroneous link in their library links - and they've fixed it now. Seems to me Spentastico helped them catch an erroneous link. Clearly the veer into insultland was unnecessary, but in my eyes they're both to blame for that.

[MacAllister]

In the blog post Lynn(?) says they had an erroneous link in their library links - and they've fixed it now. Seems to me Spentastico helped them catch an erroneous link. Clearly the veer into insultland was unnecessary, but in my eyes they're both to blame for that.

You know what? That's utter nonsense. "So sorry to waste your time. It looks like I got to a dead page on your site by clicking the link I found on this page" would have been helping Behler fix an old link to a dead page.

That's not what he did. And if he'd spent even two minutes actually reading anything anywhere on the Behler site, it would have been completely clear that they don't publish fiction.

There's no harm/no foul in finding a dead link and thinking it's current -- I get a couple of requests a month from people wanting to subscribe to a newsletter we haven't published in nearly four years. We've got thousands of archived pages, so hunting down all those old links is a daunting task. I send a very similar stock response to those requests. What I DON'T expect to happen is someone shooting back a snotty suggestion that I update my site, then -- because those archived pages aren't linked anywhere else on the domain, at this point. And that's pretty much exactly what's happened here.

[DeaK]

Also, everyone keeps saying how agents and publishers get impressions of writers from the internet, and if you make a bad impression, it can hurt you. Yes, that is relevant to me, but it's worth saying that writers also get impressions of agents and publishers, and a bad one can hurt them, too.

[Momento Mori]

DeaK:
Yes, that is relevant to me, but it's worth saying that writers also get impressions of agents and publishers, and a bad one can hurt them, too.

I think that's true and I agree that Lyn's tone isn't ideal. However this is one of those cases where I'm more inclined to give the publisher the benefit of the doubt. spentastico seems to have set out here to provoke and engage and then apparently deliberately threatened to try and hurt Behler's reputation. What he's actually done is make himself seem like a massive asshole and given that Lynn's called his bluff and published the exchange herself, he's done nothing but damage himself by calling attention to his own asshatery.

MM

[DeaK]

Momento, I do agree.

MacAllister, okay, I'm sure you're right. I don't know much about running websites. But how does a person know if what they've come across is a dead page or if the current website maybe hasn't been updated?

ETA: What concerns me is that I would be type of person to perhaps reply, pointing out the information that lead me to query – not in a snotty way, but because I would expect the website owner to desire to know. I would actully think this would put me in a good light. Am I wrong? Would it be unprofessional to do that? Would it be better to simply ignore it, knowing they might get multitudes of queries based on that same outdated info?

[Sheryl Nantus]

Whoops. Too late. Now he's an Example on the Blog. (http://behlerblog.com/2012/03/01/things-to-avoid/)

Ewww...with all the messy details, too.

Excellent post.

I *do* wonder how his employer would feel about all these searches and natterings being done on company time.

Not classy at all.

:Shrug:

[Old Hack]

DeaK, as I understand it, the "submissions" link on the Behler website makes it absolutely clear that Behler doesn't take fiction; the link that spentastico told Behler they should update wasn't that link. It was one that was archived so although it was still part of the site no links actually led to it: it was only visible through a lot of Googling. A quick look round the Behler site would have made it clear that it wasn't the current "submissions" page.

[MacAllister]

DeaK, they can't always know -- which is, like I said, why I have a stock response to those requests.

But a good way to tell, if you want to seem even a little bit savvy, is to go out to the top level of the domain (In our case, AbsoluteWrite.com (http://absolutewrite.com)) and check and see if there's more information to be found there.

So here's why I said what I said about the Behler site:

The Behler front page, (http://behlerpublications.com/) where it says right there "Personal journeys with social relevance" -- now, granted, that's not enough all by itself to tell you "we don't publish fiction" but the book descriptions they've included on that entry page are both clearly nonfiction.

So, wanting to investigate a little further, because I don't want to look like a dope if it turns out that they're completely wrong for my particular project, I click the link for About Us (http://behlerpublications.com/about.shtml), which tells me very clearly:
our mission:
Excellence in memoir/biography

Our books are about going from ordinary to extraordinary. We publish personal journeys with socially relevant themes: stories about everyday characters who end up doing extraordinary things due to a pivotal event that alters their perspective about life. Not only do we want strong, honest characters, but also strong attention to voice and development. We look for books where readers say, "I'm a better/more thoughtful/smarter person for having read this book."

So, okay, the word "character" might apply to fiction -- but when it says "memoir/biography" right there in bold? I'm having to really reach a bit to think they'll be interested in my novel, you know?

But still, I can check out their linked frontlist (http://behlerpublications.com/frontlist.shtml): All clearly non-fiction, as described in the "About Us" section.

So, heck, at this point, I'm going to check out the "Contact Us (http://behlerpublications.com/contact.shtml)" page, and see how they prefer to have queries addressed -- also, that's very often where submission information is easiest to find. And yep, sure enough: Submissions -- Authors inquiring about submissions, please read our submissions guidelines (http://behlerblog.com/submissions-guidelines/).

(Note, please, that was the correct link even before Spentastico's flurry of email badgering. I know, because the first thing I did when he posted this morning was go to the Behler page to check the links. I found ONE place, at the bottom of the page, on ONE page, that did indeed link to the old guidelines -- but even those old guidelines are actually pretty clear, as has already been pointed out, above.)

And sure enough, in bold, centered at the top of the page: PLEASE READ THESE GUIDELINES CAREFULLY -
WE PUBLISH NONFICTION ONLY. ALL FICTION QUERIES WILL BE EATEN BY THE BEAGLE

All that clicking and looking around takes less than five minutes. So it seems really obvious to me that he didn't spend any time at all actually investigating Behler's site, the books they publish, or anything else about them.

But he does have time to get into an email brangle, threaten Lynn with bad-talking the company, then to run over here and post trying to trash their reputation...All because he found an old page, didn't bother to investigate the publisher even minimally before blasting off his query, and his reading comprehension is pretty poor.


ETA: What concerns me is that I would be type of person to perhaps reply, pointing out the information that lead me to query – not in a snotty way, but because I would expect the website owner to desire to know. I would actully think this would put me in a good light. Am I wrong? Would it be unprofessional to do that? Would it be better to simply ignore it, knowing they might get multitudes of queries based on that same outdated info?

That's simple. You just write to the listed webmaster or the appropriate contact. Almost every website has a contact link to report broken or problem links, or other corrections that need to be addressed. What you don't generally do is report it to the editor or publisher you've written to about your query.

Behler has a specific address for that, too, on their "Contact Us" page: Web site -- We welcome your ideas about how we can improve our site. Please send your comments to webmaster@[email addy redacted to thwart spambots]

[tbrosz]

Okay, here's the deal:

When I decide to approach an agent (would apply to a publisher, too), I research the living hell out of them.

I not only check the website (if any), but do a general sweep of the internet to find out as much as I can. If the agent has a blog, I spend a lot of time reading it. I find interviews, news articles, and go over the entries in places like this, Publishers Marketplace, Agentquery, and other resources. Some agencies have a nice layout of books they've published that tells me what they like.

Note that much of this information is above and beyond the website's submission instructions. Some agencies have very specific requirements. I've seen a few with two pages of details on what they want. Others are pretty vague. You do the best you can.

But it doesn't take much looking around the Behler Publications website (even assuming you never heard of the blog) to realize that while they did some fiction in the past ("Backlist"), they aren't doing any of it right now ("Frontlist").

It's still possible to fall afoul of agency requirements. Lord knows I've done it more than once, despite my best efforts. But you pick yourself up and go on from there, hopefully with some class.

[Old Hack]

It's still possible to fall afoul of agency requirements. Lord knows I've done it more than once, despite my best efforts. But you pick yourself up and go on from there, hopefully with some class.

And if you do make a mistake you remedy it if that's required, and then you move on. You don't plaster it all over the internet and call people psycos just because they told you stuff you didn't want to hear.

[spentastico]

I like how all this happened because I sent a quick reply that said:

"Might want to make your submissions page a lot less vague, then. http://behlerpublications.com/submissions.shtml (http://webmail.ochosting.com/hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbehlerpublications.com%2Fs ubmissions.shtml) . Thanks."

with full intention of being helpful. She shot back with an insult, and it pissed me off.

As far as score, it should be Me: 0, Lynn: 0. Nobody won in this exchange.

edit: I got on there on my phone. Now she's spreading lies about me regarding interactions with other people. I've had literally ZERO interactions with anyone I've queried except for a couple who asked for some extra stuff, which were extremely cordial.

Lies and name calling. And you wonder why I'm using the term "psycho." Real nice.

[DeaK]

Wow, Mac, I see your point. Thank you very much for explaining all that!

I'm not sure I'll ever be savvy, exactly, when it comes to the interwebs, but at least now I know that the webmaster would be the contact – which seems obvious now, but I'm not sure it would have occurred to me.

I do put effort into researching agencies and publishers, so that I can certainly relate to. That's a good lesson for any writer.

[Queen of Swords]

with full intention of being helpful.

That was your intention? Because "a lot less vague" doesn't come off as "I'm trying to be polite and helpful".

[michael_b]

If I had a dime for every submission we received at Shadowfire Press that was clearly not something we'd publish by our guidelines, I could retire. Sadly this is not a joke. We state that we don't publish Young Adult fiction, yet the last dozen submissions we've received were, you guessed it, YA.

I also state we only publish genre fiction, yet I've gotten six biographies, two poetry books, a cookbook and a travel guide in the last year.

When we were closed to submissions during the holidays, I received two submissions--not counting those from AW authors which I agreed to read after queries here--both stating something on the order of: "I know you're closed to submissions, but..."

It really does pay to read the publisher's guidelines on the publisher's site and, if you haven't looked at them in a few weeks, be sure to do so right before submitting or you run the risk of submitting something the publisher no longer wants.

[Sheryl Nantus]

Might want to quit while you're behind...

Far, far behind.

[James D. Macdonald]

But how does a person know if what they've come across is a dead page or if the current website maybe hasn't been updated?


You could look at the last year or two of works they've published and ask, "Does any of these look like mine?"

[spentastico]

That was your intention? Because "a lot less vague" doesn't come off as "I'm trying to be polite and helpful".

But it was vague! I read their "About Us," which was vague! I clicked and read the link about submissions, which was vague! I sent a letter, was told they haven't accepted fiction for the past 2 years, so I suggested they make their site less vague!

Maybe she's right. I DON'T understand how I was in the wrong there, and I don't know that I ever will. :Shrug:

[Sheryl Nantus]

But it was vague! I read their "About Us," which was vague! I clicked and read the link about submissions, which was vague! I sent a letter, was told they haven't accepted fiction for the past 2 years, so I suggested they make their site less vague!

Maybe she's right. I DON'T understand how I was in the wrong there, and I don't know that I ever will. :Shrug:


I believe the snark is what got you in trouble.

As in real life, there's always time to be polite. If you feel wronged, be the bigger person and walk away.

[spentastico]

But where was this mythical "snark???"

[Queen of Swords]

But it was vague! I read their "About Us," which was vague! I clicked and read the link about submissions, which was vague! I sent a letter, was told they haven't accepted fiction for the past 2 years, so I suggested they make their site less vague!

Wow. I can see how easily you flew off the handle with Lynn.

[Giant Baby]

But it was vague! I read their "About Us," which was vague! I clicked and read the link about submissions, which was vague! I sent a letter, was told they haven't accepted fiction for the past 2 years, so I suggested they make their site less vague!

Maybe she's right. I DON'T understand how I was in the wrong there, and I don't know that I ever will. :Shrug:

Is this quote from Lynn's blog accurate?


Woah! Can’t wait to share this on the writing blogosphere!

[spentastico]

Absolutely it's accurate! I got insulted by some VERY unprofessional lady, so I felt people needed to know she is obviously a bad person to try to deal with. Coupled with the fact that she is now literally lying about me on her blog to further cause damage to me, I can say I was very right in my assertion.

And of course there's attitude now, and I know I have behaved unprofessionally since. I'm pissed off that now my good name is being dragged through the e-mud because of this weirdo.

[Queen of Swords]

I'm pissed off that now my good name is being dragged through the e-mud because of this weirdo.

Right now, the only person who's ruining whatever name you have is yourself.

I'm not even sure any of this thrashing and flailing about how you've been insulted is sincere, actually. I get the impression you wanted to pick a fight, Lynn gave you an opening and therefore you just can't let it go now, thanks to the attention you're getting.

[Theo81]

I like how all this happened because I sent a quick reply that said:

"Might want to make your submissions page a lot less vague, then. http://behlerpublications.com/submissions.shtml (http://webmail.ochosting.com/hwebmail/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbehlerpublications.com%2Fs ubmissions.shtml) . Thanks."

with full intention of being helpful. She shot back with an insult, and it pissed me off.

As far as score, it should be Me: 0, Lynn: 0. Nobody won in this exchange.

edit: I got on there on my phone. Now she's spreading lies about me regarding interactions with other people. I've had literally ZERO interactions with anyone I've queried except for a couple who asked for some extra stuff, which were extremely cordial.

Lies and name calling. And you wonder why I'm using the term "psycho." Real nice.


No, she isn't. She may be referring to the mail I sent her regarding our recent interaction in which you suggested that my "lecturing is a complete waste of time and an exhibit of your personal mental problems."

I sent her a heads up to let her know she'd find it instructive to check your post history.

[Sheryl Nantus]

No, she isn't. She may be referring to the mail I sent her regarding our recent interaction in which you suggested that my "lecturing is a complete waste of time and an exhibit of your personal mental problems."

I sent her a heads up to let her know she'd find it instructive to check your post history.

oh, snap!

:D

[spentastico]

And I'm sure you sent her copies of that absolutely inflammatory stuff you said about me, right?

You did mention to her, "Now, in all fairness, I did accuse him of glorifying rape and being a chauvenist and saying he has absolutely no respect for women, buuuuuut..." Right?

[Theo81]

My message to Lynn, in its entirety:

It's worth looking out Spentastico's thread history, particularly his recent Q.

He and I have had...dealings.

Of course, this isn't going to make any sense if you haven't seen he's posted in Behler's thread.

I thought it might be worth giving you the heads up before you respond to him on account of him being rather ignorant, and a bit of a pillock.

ETA We need to not derail this. Your thread history is there for people to look up. I'm simply letting you know Lynn isn't lying regarding having communiques about you.

[spentastico]

Okay, well I take that part back then. I thought she had spoken with someone; not just some random user on a writing forum with a vendetta.

[Sheryl Nantus]

Okay, well I take that part back then. I thought she had spoken with someone; not just some random user on a writing forum with a vendetta.

Still digging that hole...

[Giant Baby]

Is this quote from Lynn's blog accurate?

Woah! Can’t wait to share this on the writing blogosphere!


Absolutely it's accurate! I got insulted by some VERY unprofessional lady, so I felt people needed to know she is obviously a bad person to try to deal with.

Yeah, it's definitely reading that way.1

References
1. An example of Interweb sarcasm.

[MacAllister]

That's enough.

Spentastico, since you're clearly not capable of controlling yourself here, I'm going to do it for you: sit down, and shut up. You've said your piece -- now it's over.

Okay, folks, nothing more to see here. Time to move along.

[Theo81]

Cross posted with Mac, so [/snip]

[spentastico]

The hole's already dug. I'm just furnishing it now.

Giant, I think you're reading it out of order.

EDIT: sorry, this posted right after yours did. Let's see if your declaration really ends it.

[James D. Macdonald]

If thee men tell you you're drunk, lie down.

[Stacia Kane]

Lesson: Don't query an agent or publisher from work after doing only what little research on them that your work's internet filter will allow you to do. Instead actually, you know, take some time and read their entire site thoroughly, and at least a few pages of their blog if not more.

Your query can wait a few hours; it's hardly an emergency.

(And of course, don't query publishers with whose books you are so unfamiliar that you don't even know if they handle both fiction and non-fiction.)

[amergina]

Just as an FYI, QueryTracker links to the page spentastico found. BUT, QueryTracker also lists the genres that Behler accepts as:

Non-fiction:
Biography & Memoirs
Cultural/Social Issues

So if someone got the link from there, they should have known they weren't accepting fiction.

[Daddyo]

Ya know, I really thought about Behler as a home for my manuscript because they really appeared to have all the aspects of what I wanted in a publisher. Then I visited the website and immediately realized that what they wanted and what I had were apple and oranges, so sadly I searched elsewhere. It was pretty darned clear to me what they were looking to publish and my work didn't fit the bill, so I avoided wasting my time and Behler's. I don't see this exchange damaging Behler's reputation in the least.

[Fresie]

I can't remember how many times I stumbled across dead or dated pages when I researched an agent or a publisher... so what? As others have already said, you just research them till you drop to make sure all your information is up to date. Ironically, I submitted to Behler's once myself with a relevant non-fiction project and received a very polite rejection that made it very clear why she passed. But before sending anything to her, I made sure I knew as much as I could possibly find out about them.

I understand that the topic starter was upset about the rejection, but to me, it sounds like that "Yes, but... no, but... yes, but..." thing.

[allenparker]

This is just a reminder to me as well as anyone who might have forgotten some sage wisdom.

The proper response to any rejection, regardless of the cause is:

1. say nothing. File it away in a box marked rejection.
2. say thank you for your time, and say nothing more.

No. 1 is preferable. No. two if they took the time to offer a suggestion.

No.'s three through infinity lead to meltdowns, you being the main topic of conversation at the next gathering of publishers and agents.

[LillyPu]

A Google search of Behler Publications shows this as a first hit

Behler Publications, Book Publisher (http://behlerpublications.com/)

behlerpublications.com/
Book publisher serving new and previously published authors. Accepts fiction and non-fiction submissions.
From there, the submission link takes you to this information

PLEASE READ THESE GUIDELINES CAREFULLY
"Personal journeys with social relevance."
We are currently concentrating on works of non-fiction personal journeys with social relevance.
Our niche is pretty tight. We don't accept mysteries, SF/Fantasy, YA, romance, westerns, short stories, self help/How To, cookbooks, poetry, religous, previously published books, collections or vignettes, novellas - anything under 50,000 words.
'Currently accepting', to me, means 'at this moment', but maybe in the future? 'Not accepting' the listed genres, that are fiction, might lead a submitter to believe they accept those genres not listed, like thrillers, or maybe they accept literary fiction? As long as it's over 50,000 words?
We publish personal journeys with socially relevant themes: stories about everyday characters who end up doing extraordinary things due to a pivotal event that alters their perspective about life. Not only do we want strong, honest characters, but also strong attention to voice and development. We look for books where readers say, "I'm a better/more thoughtful/smarter person for having read this book."
So, if I have in my mind they accept fiction (from the Google search), I would definitely interpret the use of characters as fiction. Characters are fictional people. If I was told in a rejection, that doesn't seem 'form', as in "Thank you, but not for us," but instead, ""It’s always a good idea to visit the publisher’s website – we haven’t accepted fiction for over two years. Best of luck to you." I might be inclined to inform the publisher of what I found on the internet, so they could correct it, if possible? If not possible, they might want to reword their submission page to clearly state they do not accept fiction. However, I would leave it at that. Since the publishers I submit manuscripts to don't have blogs, I would not be inclined to look for a publisher's blog.

Too bad the Query-er took it this far--brought it here, of all places--but I'm even more put off by the reactions toward the poor guy. Clearly he was frustrated by what could easily be open-for-interpretation guidelines. It drops my heart.

[Perks]

Too bad the Query-er took it this far--brought it here, of all places--but I'm even more put off by the reactions toward the poor guy. Clearly he was frustrated by what could easily be open-for-interpretation guidelines. It drops my heart.Yeah, I think the guy took it a bit far, but it's hardly the worst example I've seen of getting submission guidelines wrong. The wood and shackles of the Behler-blog pillory must have grown cold and we wouldn't want that.

Is it okay to reprint his emails like that?

[Terie]

If not possible, they might want to reword their submission page to clearly state they do not accept fiction.

Did you not click on the 'Submissions' link on the Behler home page, whose link you DID include in your post?

Because if you HAD clicked through to the 'Submissions' page, this is what you would've seen:

http://www.teriegarrison.com/misc/Behler_submissions.gif

How the hell more clearly could someone state that they don't accept fiction????????

[kellion92]

I agree with LillyPu. I think Spentastico is at a disadvantage in this conversation because he doesn't seem to know that many of the posters here are friends with Lynn, who is a member of the board. I'm sure that is coloring the interpretation of the exchange between them -- she's getting more benefit of doubt than he is.

[MacAllister]

What part of "we're all done discussing whether or not Spentastico did even the teensiest bit of research into this publisher before blasting off an inappropriate query from his day-job -- THEN rushing over to AW to try and trash said publisher's reputation because he didn't like the tone of the response he got to said inappropriate query--a response that was utterly avoidable if he'd done even minimal research" did you guys miss?

Put it down. It's over.

By the way, kellion92, come over here and say that to my face. My problem with spentastico has nothing to do with who the publisher was. There's no "benefit of the doubt" to be given, here -- and people have said repeatedly that, indeed, Lynn was snippier than necessary. So what?

The thing is, this isn't a legitimate complaint about a publisher. It's a butthurt newbie author who didn't research the publisher, didn't double-check his own facts, then made a stupid newb mistake. That's not a big deal, all by itself. It happens all the time.

But when he came rushing over here to smear crap on a publisher's reputation because HE made a stupid newb mistake? That's what I object to. That's just plain churlish and spiteful, and that's NOT what this forum is about, nor an appropriate use of this space.

Now, if Behler isn't paying authors, or is abusing writers under contract and their agents, or isn't sending royalty statements in a timely fashion, and someone with a Behler contract has tried to work it out with them, but failed, and wants to post here and address that situation?

They can and should --because THAT'S what this space is for.

[tbrosz]

But I made all this popcorn!

[LillyPu]

Did you not click on the 'Submissions' link on the Behler home page, whose link you DID include in your post?

Because if you HAD clicked through to the 'Submissions' page, this is what you would've seen:

http://www.teriegarrison.com/misc/Behler_submissions.gif

How the hell more clearly could someone state that they don't accept fiction????????
Terie, I didn't go by the BLOG, just the website page found from googling. Like I said, the publishers I submit to don't have blogs. But, thanks for this, because now I know to also look for blogs, if they have one, because it would be more updated. The blog of Behler definitely states wide and clear what they accept. I wonder why they don't fix their website page submission guidelines. Anyway... I see where someone might get confused. It pays to research more. No harm in that, only gain.

[Little Red Barn]

Aside, I too, am wondering if the author of an e-mail holds copyright in the e-mail?

Uncle Jim, when you have time, please?

[Terie]

Terie, I didn't go by the BLOG, just the website page found from googling. Like I said, the publishers I submit to don't have blogs. But, thanks for this, because now I know to also look for blogs, if they have one, because it would be more updated. The blog of Behler definitely states wide and clear what they accept. I wonder why they don't fix their website page submission guidelines. Anyway... I see where someone might get confused. It pays to research more. No harm in that, only gain.

Go to http://www.behlerpublications.com. The link you yourself provided.

At the bottom of the page...see that 'submissions' link? Click it.

IOW, you don't have to go to the blog to get that page. You merely have to click on the 'Submissions' link from the home page or any other page on the site.

While it is definitely a good idea to check out a prospective publisher's or agent's blog, that's not the lesson here. The lesson is to click on the 'submissions' link on the home page.

[Old Hack]

If it's not already clear enough to you all following Mac's comment:

the Spentastico vs Lynn discussion is over.

Let's move on, thank you.

[LillyPu]

You may want to try typing Behler Publications into Google and Submissions comes up. If you click on that, it leads you to the page it led me to. We're looking at two different pages? Google is the first line of info writers, usually, look for guidelines to submit. Your page is the blog page. Either way, think of others who would get confused... Thank you for taking the time to clarify, and provide a correct link, but since I don't write nonfiction, I'm sure it'll help others.

[LillyPu]

If it's not already clear enough to you all following Mac's comment:

the Spentastico vs Lynn discussion is over.

Let's move on, thank you.
Sorry. But that's not what I was discussing. I only was discussing the guidelines of the publisher I found from Googling. Think of others who come upon the same outdated submission link I did. Is that not relevant to a publisher's thread? I don't know, obviously. And yes, I'm out... :)

[Theo81]

Yeah, I think the guy took it a bit far, but it's hardly the worst example I've seen of getting submission guidelines wrong. The wood and shackles of the Behler-blog pillory must have grown cold and we wouldn't want that.

Is it okay to reprint his emails like that?


Just to make clear for anybody who doesn't want to check the time stamps - Spentastico posted his exchange with Lynn Price here, plus the promise to post the details about the exchange he was having after that when it was over, prior to the blog entry at Behler being posted.


To further clarify things for anybody who may feel as kellion92 does: I do not know Lynn Price, either in person or around the board. I have never worked with her; I am unlikely to in the future as Behler only work with US based authors. Spentastico made a serious accusation about Lynn Price (that she was spreading lies about him) which I was in a position to verify was wrong. I don't know if it was my mail she referred to but I know it could have been. I have no axe to grind against Spentastico, no vendetta.

These are facts.

[AW Admin]

Over means Stop Posting About it.

I'm locking the thread while some of you contemplate basic concepts like the board owner telling you to move on, twice, and a SuperMod reminding you to move on.