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Hi.

Say this aloud: "So what if she was 127 years old?"

Now see how I've written it in my wip: So what if she was one-hundred and twenty-three years old?

Isn't it weird? Didn't you say: "So what if she was a hundred and twenty-three years old?

Same thing with 1,257.

He was a thousand two-hundred and fifty-seven years old.
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He was one thousand two-hundred and fifty-seven years old.

So, is there a rule? Do you just write out the number no matter that it sounds awkward?

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So, is there a rule? Do you just write out the number no matter that it sounds awkward?

In dialog, yes, there is a rule, you write it out, no matter what. But, you write it using the words your char would actually say. Different characters will say it differently:
"So what if she was one hundred twenty-three years old?"
"So what if she was a hundred and twenty-three years old?"
"So what if she was a hundred and twenty-something?"
Just as a side note, my first example is the formally correct one. There isn't any "and" -- that's only used where there's a decimal point. In dialog, however, correctness is irrelevant unless the char is extremely pedantic. If the char would say "and" then write "and".
 

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Hi.

Say this aloud: "So what if she was 127 years old?"

Now see how I've written it in my wip: So what if she was one-hundred and twenty-three years old?

Isn't it weird? Didn't you say: "So what if she was a hundred and twenty-three years old?

Same thing with 1,257.

He was a thousand two-hundred and fifty-seven years old.
OR
He was one thousand two-hundred and fifty-seven years old.

So, is there a rule? Do you just write out the number no matter that it sounds awkward?

Thanks


Actually, what I said was, 'So what if she was a hundred and twenty-seven years old?'

;)
 

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Along the lines of the OP's question, I've seen books where the author will write out numbers for the time: "I'll see you at seven oh (yes, "oh" not "o" with an apostrophe) clock", and for other phrases with numbers (like highways), I've seen it written as: "You take the five-oh-five to Highway Nine."

I know you're supposed to write it out as you'd say it because it's dialogue, but it was actually jarring to read it that way. It looked weird. Whereas, I don't think I would have given it a second thought if it was written as: "I'll see you at 7:00." And "Take the 505 to Highway 9."

I mean, I know the former is technically correct, but I flat-out don't like the look of it.:mad: Seems so passe`. Maybe I'm just :crazy:.
 

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Along the lines of the OP's question, I've seen books where the author will write out numbers for the time: "I'll see you at seven oh (yes, "oh" not "o" with an apostrophe) clock", and for other phrases with numbers (like highways), I've seen it written as: "You take the five-oh-five to Highway Nine."

I know you're supposed to write it out as you'd say it because it's dialogue, but it was actually jarring to read it that way. It looked weird. Whereas, I don't think I would have given it a second thought if it was written as: "I'll see you at 7:00." And "Take the 505 to Highway 9."

I mean, I know the former is technically correct, but I flat-out don't like the look of it.:mad: Seems so passe`. Maybe I'm just :crazy:.

One of the reasons dialogue needs to be spelled out has to do with phonics. When a character is speaking outloud, a part of the reader's brain should be imagining the character's mouth moving and the actual sound of the words being spoken. It makes it more real, like you're actually standing there listening to a conversation.

And yes, it appears clunky if you examine the words as numbers, but if you read these two and try to imagine a voice speaking, you may see what I mean:

"I'll see you at seven o'clock."

"I'll see you at 7:00."
 

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I think I remember reading somewhere (here, maybe?) that you make an exception with spelling numbers out when the number is part of a proper noun (7-Eleven), or the name of something like a road (as in Highway 9, or Route 66).

Anyone? I've got a couple of these in my WIP.
 

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I think I remember reading somewhere (here, maybe?) that you make an exception with spelling numbers out when the number is part of a proper noun (7-Eleven), or the name of something like a road (as in Highway 9, or Route 66).

That's the general rule, yes.

But if you mean proper names used in dialog, then I don't think I've ever seen that specific situation discussed. I'm not sure which rule trumps the other.
 

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I think I remember reading somewhere (here, maybe?) that you make an exception with spelling numbers out when the number is part of a proper noun (7-Eleven), or the name of something like a road (as in Highway 9, or Route 66).

Anyone? I've got a couple of these in my WIP.

You are correct about using the numeral in proper nouns that use numbers and for highway names; you give perfect examples. And, as you also know, some other proper names spell out their numbers: "Seventh Day Adventists," "Million Dollar Baby," and "Sixth Sense," for example. Local event planners get to decide if they're holding the "Tenth Annual Class Reunion," or the "10th Annual Class Reunion." It's their event; they get to name it. You should do the same in your novel. The over-riding consideration is the reader and sometimes consistency must give way to readablity.

In general, numbers one through ninety nine are generally spelled out (but not always!) by Chicago Manual fans. Associated Press reporters are coached to spell out numbers one through nine and switch to numerals for 10 and up. Both stylebooks treat the topic of numbers extensively, and specific decisions by both depend on the number's context.

In the first poster's query, I'd advise the numeral: "So what if she's 127?" on three counts. It is over ninety nine, meant to be exact, and not a round number (see below.)

BUT: if it's an expression involving a round number (even quite a large one) or a number without the intent to be precise, CM counsels the opposite:
"So what if she's a hundred years older than the rest of us? She's still a lady!"
"She lived in a city of five hundred thousand."
"He gave me seven hundred reasons to love him."

Other expressions are spelled out by tradition: "Four score and seven years ago..." and others are not: 9/11.

I'm sorry to differ with an esteemed poster, but there is no universal rule about spelling numbers out in dialogue "no matter what." The most that we have are guidelines and preferences. I'd strongly advise thumbing through a recognized style guide before forcing readers to handle a string like, "My grandmother was born four hundred seventy six million years before time began," or some such. Readers lose track. Both CM and AP editors would recommend (not rule!) "My mother was born 476 million years before time began."

Since you've been nice enough to read this far, I'll toss in a recommendation for clock times, just because it's a number that throws a lot of writers. The guide is, as usual, CM:

1. Whole, half and quarter hours are usually spelled out in texts and inside spoken quotes. Whenever "o'clock" is used, it must be so. "My day ends at five o'clock," and "The Wiccans convened at nine thirty."

2. Use numbers when writing or speaking precise clock times. "The clock read 12:47 when the guillotine fell," and "I'm taking the 4:08 to Statan Island." Most readers, I think, "hear" "four oh eight" in their heads, if they think about it.

But, the point of non-intrusive editing is keeping the reader turning the page, not forcing her/him to stop and ponder something as strange as "take the five oh five to Highway nine," or "seven oh clock." Each of these expressions seems more likley to induce head scratching than admiration for the well-turned phrase.

Remember: You're the writer and you don't need to know this stuff. That's what editors are for! Now go write something we can edit!

Cheerio,
Old Word Wolf
 
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Thank you Old World Wolf, your post was very informative.:)
 

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Let's not be pedantic concerning dialog. How can anyone think that the dialog, "He was 127 years old," could be spoken in any way except the obvious? There is one absolute rule about numbers: Never begin a sentence with a numeral." There is one excellent suggestion I have heard: "Use the spelled out form for all short numbers." To me, that means one through ten, perhaps even one through one hundred. Certainly we never write 'one hundred eighty-seven thousand five hundred thirty-three'. Imagine the tedium if one wrote an essay on world population through the ages and spelled out every number.
 
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