Congressman to introduce resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/...lution_condemning_rush_limbaugh_on_monday.php

After condemning MoveOn for its ad in the New York Times, should our Congress also condemn Comedian Rush Limbaugh for his "phony soldiers" remarks in regards to those vets who are against the policy in Iraq? While I hope that it doesn't pass (as it is unlikely), I hope that it puts certain Congress critters on the spot for blatant hypocrisy.

My personal opinion? Draft-dodger-because-I-had-a-pimple-on-my-ass has no authority to speak on soldiers and needs all the heat one can muster. Though it's too much to expect an apology from the likes of him.

brokenfingers · Sep 29, 2007

Whatever happened to that pesky rule that said government shall not impinge upon the right to free speech or some such.

DamaNegra · Sep 29, 2007

brokenfingers said:
Whatever happened to that pesky rule that said government shall not impinge upon the right to free speech or some such.

Was there ever such a rule? I mean, realistically.

astonwest · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
My personal opinion? Draft-dodger-because-I-had-a-pimple-on-my-ass has no authority to speak on soldiers and needs all the heat one can muster. Though it's too much to expect an apology from the likes of him.

I wonder how Clinton acted as commander-in-chief, taking that stance...

I guess it wasn't all that unexpected that a Democratic Congress would spend their time on resolutions to condemn a talk show host, instead of trying to fix the much more important issues in this country.

Perks · Sep 29, 2007

I can't stand Limbaugh. He's a mean-spirited, self-absorbed prick. That said, I certainly hope Congress has something more pressing than to wash the bile out of a jackass's mouth.

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

brokenfingers said:
Whatever happened to that pesky rule that said government shall not impinge upon the right to free speech or some such.

Went out the window completely since their condemnation of the MoveOn ad. Which is why I hope this puts them on the spot as a bunch of hypocrites, especially to those who voted to condemn MoveOn, but not the Comedian.

While certainly he does need to be held to account for what he says, it doesn't warrant Congressional condemnation. Let the public decide, I say.

astonwest said:
I guess it wasn't all that unexpected that a Democratic Congress would spend their time on resolutions to condemn a talk show host, instead of trying to fix the much more important issues in this country.

You mean like the voting of the resolution to condemn MoveOn.org for their anti-Petreus ad? That was a waste of time, too.

dclary · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
Went out the window completely since their condemnation of the MoveOn ad. Which is why I hope this puts them on the spot as a bunch of hypocrites, especially to those who voted to condemn MoveOn, but not the Comedian.

While certainly he does need to be held to account for what he says, it doesn't warrant Congressional condemnation. Let the public decide, I say.

You mean like the voting of the resolution to condemn MoveOn.org for their anti-Petreus ad? That was a waste of time, too.

A) Is Rush's condemning soldiers who don't want to be in this war as phony soldiers any worse than Thomas Paine calling those who didn't want to fight in the Revolutionary War "summer soldiers?"

B) Rush called dissenting troops phony soldiers. MoveOn denounced our commanding officer in a war zone as a traitor. Slight difference?

Any way this goes, I think the Dems lose. They'll already be denounced as petty at this point. Rush's ratings will go up. The grand cycle continues.

None of this is as bad as it was in the 1860s.

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

dclary said:
A) Is Rush's condemning soldiers who don't want to be in this war as phony soldiers any worse than Thomas Paine calling those who didn't want to fight in the Revolutionary War "summer soldiers?"

The Iraq War and the Revolutionary War are two different things. The Revolutionary War was a fight for freedom for a bunch of people who wanted to break away from a tyrannical monarch. The Iraq War is this generation's version of Vietnam, which was another unpopular war that vets also railed against.

dclary said:
B) Rush called dissenting troops phony soldiers. MoveOn denounced our commanding officer in a war zone as a traitor. Slight difference?

Both are free speech issues that Congress should not have even touched. Although I think in the case of Mr. Limbaugh, it's more of a matter of a statement than anything solid.

dclary said:
Any way this goes, I think the Dems lose. They'll already be denounced as petty at this point. Rush's ratings will go up. The grand cycle continues.

Rush has been losing audience, ratings, and affiliates lately. Between him and Bill'O, those two have constant case of foot-in-mouth disease.

William Haskins · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
Rush has been losing audience, ratings, and affiliates lately.

indeed. all he has to do is lose another 11 million listeners a week and he'll be neck and neck with air america's most successful pundits.

Jean Marie · Sep 29, 2007

Hmm, comparing a radio show host to a top general...not seeing it.

waste of time.

dclary · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
The Iraq War and the Revolutionary War are two different things. The Revolutionary War was a fight for freedom for a bunch of people who wanted to break away from a tyrannical monarch. The Iraq War is this generation's version of Vietnam, which was another unpopular war that vets also railed against.

You'd be surprised how unpopular the revolutionary war was. A war just to avoid paying taxes? How gauche!

Jean Marie · Sep 29, 2007

dclary said:
You'd be surprised how unpopular the revolutionary war was. A war just to avoid paying taxes? How gauche!

Can you imagine if we'd decided not to fight that one.

Oh too hard...too messy...too this...too that...waaaaa..what a bunch of freaks we were, then. sheesh...

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

dclary said:
You'd be surprised how unpopular the revolutionary war was. A war just to avoid paying taxes? How gauche!

It wasn't a "war just to avoid paying taxes". It was a war to win independence. There were all kinds of abuses committed against the colonists; "Taxation without Representation" was just one abuse.

Also apparently, you seem to misunderstand that whole "No Taxation without Representation" thing. The whole point of the Boston Tea Party was that the local American business owners were protesting the price of tea, which was fixed so that the Dutch East India Company paid less in tea taxes, while the small business owner paid more then they could afford.

robeiae · Sep 29, 2007

Still, it was an unpopular war.

Celia Cyanide · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
Went out the window completely since their condemnation of the MoveOn ad.

With the MoveOn ad, did the resolution actually impinge on their right to free speech? I thought "condemn" was being used, in this case, to mean "express strong disapproval."

Perks · Sep 29, 2007

Celia Cyanide said:
With the MoveOn ad, did the resolution actually impinge on their right to free speech? I thought "condemn" was being used, in this case, to mean "express strong disapproval."

Do we pay Congress to frown at people?

Jean Marie · Sep 29, 2007

Perks said:
Do we pay Congress to frown at people?

Only to stick out their tongues. Collectively, of course.

Bravo · Sep 29, 2007

worst. congress. ever.

Jean Marie · Sep 29, 2007

Bravo said:
worst. congress. ever.

Ditto.

Overpaid, too.

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

robeiae said:
Still, it was an unpopular war.

Perhaps, but it still meant something to people.

Now, we're just stuck in a quagmire and no one knows what the Iraq War is really about other than oil.

Bravo said:
worst. congress. ever.

Actually, I would argue that the last Congress was even worse. And I only say that because this one actually passed the College Cost Reduction Act, which would lower interest rates on my Sallie Mae loans from community college, among some of the other things.

I would say that they need to grow a spine on more pressing issues, but that's just me.

blacbird · Sep 29, 2007

These Congressional gestures are stupid, even for political theater, both the MoveOn ad flap and this one. That being said, they do not have the force of law, and do not impinge on anyone's right to freedom of speech. That being said, surely these people have better things to do with their time (and our tax money that pays them for their time). You know, like screw around with congressional pages, collect a few bribes, that sort of thing.

caw

maestrowork · Sep 29, 2007

I sent letters to my senators and congressmen last week to tell them to please go back to do their job.

the whole thing is ridiculous.

robeiae · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
Perhaps, but it still meant something to people.

Yes, to those people that supported it.

Now, we're just stuck in a quagmire and no one knows what the Iraq War is really about other than oil.

Yes, according to those people opposed to it.

blacbird · Sep 29, 2007

InfinityGoddess said:
Now, we're just stuck in a quagmire and no one knows what the Iraq War is really about other than oil.

No, no, no. It's about good and evil: "There's good and there's evil. And that's it." -- George W. Bush, 2003.

InfinityGoddess said:
Actually, I would argue that the last Congress was even worse.

Yup. Remember, that one was led by Dennis Hastert, and featured such luminaries as Tom Delay and Duke Cunningham and Bob Ney and Mark Foley. The current group has still got a lot of catching up to do to match that one.

caw

InfinityGoddess · Sep 29, 2007

robeiae said:
Yes, to those people that supported it.

Fine, then. It accomplished something, then. We got our independence from Britain.

Yes, according to those people opposed to it.

And of course, the Iraq Occupation hasn't really accomplished anything good, unless you're a war profiteer.

blacbird said:
No, no, no. It's about good and evil: "There's good and there's evil. And that's it." -- George W. Bush, 2003.

Indeed.

Yup. Remember, that one was led by Dennis Hastert, and featured such luminaries as Tom Delay and Duke Cunningham and Bob Ney and Mark Foley. The current group has still got a lot of catching up to do to match that one.

caw

And Hastert, from what I understand is retiring (so are a bunch of others, like rats off a sinking ship), and guys like Doolittle, Stevens, etc. are being investigated for corruption. There are probably like 3 or 4 Dems being investigated for similar corruption issues, out of the whole lot.

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