Jena 6: Justice WIll Be Served (After Being Bled of All Political Mileage)

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20880029/

Jackson, Sharpton, Obama, Clinton, Edwards all onboard now. Lets get out there and do the right thing - but don't hog the spotlight until everyone gets their soundbites.
 

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Where was Al Sharpton when those White Duke University boys were being framed by a rogue DA? He says he's "marching for justice not for race" - He's full of crap!

I'm having a real hard time trying to figure out how come thousands of "supporters" are pouring into LA right now to defend basically what amounts to 6 gang members and/or thugs - bullies. These guys beat a person unconscious. The "supporters" call it a "schoolyard brawl" that is being blown out of proportion. The "supporters" say that the charges are excessive. I wonder how these "supporters" would feel if their son was ganged up on by 6 people and beat so badly that he was hospitalized. Isn't that excessive?
 
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This is not to be confused with "Jenna 6: Vegas Nights."

This is a serious matter.

And that is the porno that launched a superstar career.

Just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
 

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I'm surprised Sharpton and Jackson haven't jumped on the "Y'all are penalising OJ because he's black" wagon.

You know what the most dangerous place in the world is?
Between Jesse Jackson and a TV Camera.
 

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I'm surprised Sharpton and Jackson haven't jumped on the "Y'all are penalising OJ because he's black" wagon.

Perhaps because in OJ's current case, there isn't racism involved?

I've been following the Jena 6 case since it first appeared on Democracy Now! The prosecutor is definitely a racist. A schoolyard brawl is usually a juvie-time offense, plus one of the 6 wasn't even IN the fight when it happened. Also, some white kids should have been charged for beating up the black kids and so on and so forth.

It's all kinds of wrong, what happened here. Here's hoping the publicity will bring real justice for all involved.
 

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It's all kinds of wrong, what happened here. Here's hoping the publicity will bring real justice for all involved.

...bring real justice - I think you're right.

Unfortunately, this is a case where because some other crime went unpunished, people believe that these 6 (or 5 as the case may be) should go unpunished as well.

That's not justice. That's the height of injustice. It's the old slight-of-hand trick. You get everyone looking at one thing (the "white kids" hanging a noose as a prank) while you do something else on the side (get everyone to ignore the "black kids" beating the living bejesus out of someone while at school). These guys were wrong. Felons? - I don't know. I have my kids in private schools because of incidents just like this. These "kids" (black/white - I don't care) beat somebody up. They should go to jail. We certaintly would!

Let me put it another way: Would your face care if the guy beating the living hell out of it was under 18 or not? I didn't think so...
 

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I really have little use for Sharpton and his band of "hang the Honky, cause he must be wrong mentallity" but, this case is crap and should never have been prosecuted, everyone should have gotten expelled for a few days with the Mike dude having to pony up some cash for the cuts and bruises on the kid he smacked around and be done with it. Sending someone to jail for 16 years, for what amounts to a school yard fight, was dumb. I believe the case has been overturned because the la superior court overturned, but again, common sense is thrown out the window, and whenever there is no common sense you will see Al Sharpton, jesse and the posse....
 

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...bring real justice - I think you're right.

Unfortunately, this is a case where because some other crime went unpunished, people believe that these 6 (or 5 as the case may be) should go unpunished as well.

That's not justice. That's the height of injustice. It's the old slight-of-hand trick. You get everyone looking at one thing (the "white kids" hanging a noose as a prank) while you do something else on the side (get everyone to ignore the "black kids" beating the living bejesus out of someone while at school). These guys were wrong. Felons? - I don't know. I have my kids in private schools because of incidents just like this. These "kids" (black/white - I don't care) beat somebody up. They should go to jail. We certaintly would!

Let me put it another way: Would your face care if the guy beating the living hell out of it was under 18 or not? I didn't think so...

That is why I mentioned a schoolyard fight being either an in-school offense where the offenders are suspended or expelled and/or spending some time in juvie. It's definitely not worth the trumped-up adult charges these kids are facing, which is why the convictions of the first kid was overturned on appeal, with the judge seeing the injustice for what it was.

While certainly the kids involved should be punished somehow, that should not eradicate the fact that any kid involved in ratcheting up the racial tensions in the first place should not go unpunished, either. In other words, the white kids who were hanging the nooses and beating up the black kids should also be punished accordingly. That, and the trumped up adult charges are the two major injustices in this case.
 

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That is why I mentioned a schoolyard fight being either an in-school offense where the offenders are suspended or expelled and/or spending some time in juvie. It's definitely not worth the trumped-up adult charges these kids are facing, which is why the convictions of the first kid was overturned on appeal, with the judge seeing the injustice for what it was
Once again, both sides in this are hardening their positions. This was not a "schoolyard fight," with the implication that it happens every day with boys hyped up on testosterone. The allegation was that six teenagers beat another teenager unconscious, then kicked him as he lay on the floor unconscious. The kids who did this are not the martyrs they're being made out to be. This deserves punishment. That's why we have a juvenile justice system.

On the other side, the incident was (apparently) part of ongoing confrontations between black and white students, and several black students had been attacked by whites in the near past. The targeted victim had supposedly earlier been engaging in racial taunts.

You'll notice this post is peppered with "alleged," "apparently," and "supposedly." The truth of all of this is rapidly disappearing and I doubt it will ever come out.

But the action of the DA in charging these kids, who are high school students, as adults, and with attempted murder at that, is a vast overreach and a clear example of judicial abuse of power. The allegations of racism here are certainly not unwarranted.

None of this matters. Any just resolution of this case is now irrelevant. There's political hay to be made, and Al "I love a camera" Sharpton will be at the forefront, you may be sure.
 

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Once again, both sides in this are hardening their positions. This was not a "schoolyard fight," with the implication that it happens every day with boys hyped up on testosterone. The allegation was that six teenagers beat another teenager unconscious, then kicked him as he lay on the floor unconscious. The kids who did this are not the martyrs they're being made out to be. This deserves punishment. That's why we have a juvenile justice system.

On the other side, the incident was (apparently) part of ongoing confrontations between black and white students, and several black students had been attacked by whites in the near past. The targeted victim had supposedly earlier been engaging in racial taunts.

You'll notice this post is peppered with "alleged," "apparently," and "supposedly." The truth of all of this is rapidly disappearing and I doubt it will ever come out.

But the action of the DA in charging these kids, who are high school students, as adults, and with attempted murder at that, is a vast overreach and a clear example of judicial abuse of power. The allegations of racism here are certainly not unwarranted.

None of this matters. Any just resolution of this case is now irrelevant. There's political hay to be made, and Al "I love a camera" Sharpton will be at the forefront, you may be sure.
Exceptionally well-stated, imo.
 

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I wonder how Sharpton would feel if six white guys beat up a black kid?

Assault is assault, no matter where it happens, and these punk cowards should be tried and punished. This is a racist case, and everyone seems determined to keep it so. But no matter the provocation, assault remains assault, and when it takes six to beat up one, the punks should be tried as adults, and time served accordingly.
 

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the punks should be tried as adults, and time served accordingly.

And the kids who hung the nooses in the tree (which has since been chopped down) should be tried as adults for threatening murder, unless some apologist wants to claim the nooses were merely symbolic of the "death of reason" or some other horseshit.

What do they get? In-school suspension.
 

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I wonder how Sharpton would feel if six white guys beat up a black kid?

Assault is assault, no matter where it happens, and these punk cowards should be tried and punished. This is a racist case, and everyone seems determined to keep it so. But no matter the provocation, assault remains assault, and when it takes six to beat up one, the punks should be tried as adults, and time served accordingly.

White kids were beating up the black kids in the months before this happened and the DA just told the black kids to basically suck it up and deal. Now that black kids beat up (allegedly) a white kid, he's literally eliminating their lives "with a stroke of a pen", regardless of whether or not they were a part of the fight.

Yes, he actually said that. After the noose incident.
 

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White kids were beating up the black kids in the months before this happened and the DA just told the black kids to basically suck it up and deal. Now that black kids beat up (allegedly) a white kid, he's literally eliminating their lives "with a stroke of a pen", regardless of whether or not they were a part of the fight.

Yes, he actually said that. After the noose incident.
Whoaaa...

"White kids were" while "black kids beat up (allegedly)"?!?
 

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One of Jena 6 wasn't even there when the fight with the white kid happened. So yeah.
He wasn't there, or he allegedly wasn't there?

I pretty much agree with rugcat's take on this: the DA looks really bad--racism is a fair charge, the kids that hung the nooses got off easy, and the kids that were charged as adults were treated way too harshly. But we are unlikely to ever know too much "truth" at this point. So I have to question why you qualified only the second instance with "allegedly." How do you know "white kids were beating up black kids"? Were you there?
 

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He wasn't there, or he allegedly wasn't there?

He wasn't there. His family was interviewed and everything.

I pretty much agree with rugcat's take on this: the DA looks really bad--racism is a fair charge, the kids that hung the nooses got off easy, and the kids that were charged as adults were treated way too harshly. But we are unlikely to ever know too much "truth" at this point. So I have to question why you qualified only the second instance with "allegedly." How do you know "white kids were beating up black kids"? Were you there?

No, but I was following this story on Democracy Now!, among other places. There were racial tensions for months prior to this. Now, perhaps I should have said "allegedly". Poor wording on my part. My apologies.
 

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IG,

Much as I hate to ever agree with Rob, your post does show a certain bias. You accept reports of white kids beating up black kids as established truth, whereas you are careful to use the term "alleged" about the opposite case.

Personally, I believe both reports, but that's opinion at this point, not fact.
 
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So I have to question why you qualified only the second instance with "allegedly." How do you know "white kids were beating up black kids"?

Excellent questions we already know the answers to.

Excellent none.the.less.
 
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No, but I was following this story on Democracy Now!, among other places. There were racial tensions for months prior to this. Now, perhaps I should have said "allegedly". Poor wording on my part. My apologies.

Apology accepted.

See, BoP.

It's not that hard.
 
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