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Saint Fool
07-25-2007, 03:34 AM
In my WIP, the hero has to immerse himself in water in his alien form every few days. He's not like Abe Sapiens in Hellboy who keeps the same form in or out of water. But I just have this image of a man, motionless at the bottom of a pool and I can't think of what it is from. Movie? TV? Book?

Does anyone have a suggestion as to where this might come from so that I can be sure that I'm not lifting my plot from someone else's whole cloth? Thanks.

JCT
07-25-2007, 03:40 AM
In my WIP, the hero has to immerse himself in water in his alien form every few days. He's not like Abe Sapiens in Hellboy who keeps the same form in or out of water. But I just have this image of a man, motionless at the bottom of a pool and I can't think of what it is from. Movie? TV? Book?

Does anyone have a suggestion as to where this might come from so that I can be sure that I'm not lifting my plot from someone else's whole cloth? Thanks.

Got me. I wouldn't worry about it.

dclary
07-25-2007, 04:06 AM
Bobby Ewing's underwater man show?

Or Ben Affleck's Daredevil in the sensory deprivation chamber?

The navigators in the Dune series must exist in a tank of water.

Caspar Van Diemme or Mark Hamil in their healing tanks in Starship Troopers or The Empire Strikes Back?

JohnDavidPaxton
07-25-2007, 04:08 AM
How my last marriage ended?

Sharon Mock
07-25-2007, 05:18 AM
It makes me think of Man From Atlantis, a cheesy '70s TV series about... well, the title says it all, really. I'm showing my age here, I know.

I wouldn't worry about it either. Whatever it's from -- if it's even from anywhere in particular -- it's what you do with it that matters.

Anonymisty
07-25-2007, 05:26 AM
It makes me think of Man From Atlantis, a cheesy '70s TV series...

Aw, I loved Mark Harris! 'Course, I was 12 years old at the time...

sunna
07-25-2007, 05:49 AM
But I just have this image of a man, motionless at the bottom of a pool and I can't think of what it is from. Movie? TV? Book?


All I can think of is Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, and that was a pretty brief scene, and MVS wasn't an alien, just a human raised among them.

I'd go with it too. :)

Frosty
07-25-2007, 06:23 AM
Isn't this a bit like that Darryl Hannah film where she's a mermaid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splash_%28film%29)?

Lyra Jean
07-25-2007, 08:15 AM
I immediately thought of "Stranger in a Strange Land." I only read the novel. I dind't know they made a movie.

Pthom
07-25-2007, 01:15 PM
The man motionless in the bottom of the pool is definitely in a scene from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. But in reading your first sentence, S'Fool, I was reminded of Odo, the shape-shifting constable in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. He had to return to his native liquid state periodically and kept a bucket in his office for just that purpose. Fortunately, they didn't play that angle too much, for obvious reasons . . ..

Just Mike
07-25-2007, 02:35 PM
Chill. Seriosly, if the idea rocks your socks and you write a great story nobody will care.

It's ALL been done before. Except for the arrangement, and the voice, and fine, fanciful details of the plot, and the unique imprint of your brain beamed out onto a million billion pieces of paper, and this, and that, and a little bit of the other.

Don't look for an excuse not to do it.

MattW
07-25-2007, 04:00 PM
I'd agree that it probably doesn't matter - especially with the number of places people above have seen similar things before.

If it was something specific and obvious from only one work, it would be tricky.

Funny, right? Doing something second is worse than doing it for the 100th time.

Saint Fool
07-25-2007, 08:45 PM
Aha! Stranger in a Strange Land! Thanks sunna7core and rosemerry and Pthom. As everyone said, I wasn't going to let it derail the book (not when I'm about to get to the alien-mad-monkey-sex scene). but it is nice to know where I thought I'd read/seen a similar image.

Toothpaste
07-25-2007, 08:57 PM
Ah you figured it out. I was going to say either Dustin Hoffman from The Graduate or Bill Murray in Lost in Translation. Yes, neither are sci-fi/fantasy but they were the first two images that came to me. lol!

benbradley
07-25-2007, 10:07 PM
I thought of Odo too, and it's been a long time since I read Stranger.

Aha! Stranger in a Strange Land! Thanks sunna7core and rosemerry and Pthom. As everyone said, I wasn't going to let it derail the book (not when I'm about to get to the alien-mad-monkey-sex scene). but it is nice to know where I thought I'd read/seen a similar image.
Go ahead and use it as-is, and whenever a fan asks about it at a signing, you can say you were just honoring Heinlein.

Stew21
07-25-2007, 10:52 PM
Bobby Ewing's underwater man show?



You mean Patrick Duffy in Man From Atlantis but I got the biggest giggle out of the way you describe it, Deek.

megan_d
07-26-2007, 10:42 AM
Reminds me of the 'animorphs' kids series. The alien slugs have to leave the host body every three days and go for a swim in a pool of alien goo stuff to survive.

dclary
07-26-2007, 11:31 AM
You mean Patrick Duffy in Man From Atlantis but I got the biggest giggle out of the way you describe it, Deek.

I bet you'd get a big kick out of an underwater man's show, Stew! ;)

small axe
07-29-2007, 02:05 AM
And a very recent one would be the cancelled tv series INVASION (not so much that the aliens return to their natural shape, but the image of alien-possessed humans floating wide-eyed and staring underwater)

Whether or not "it's ALL been done before" ... I'm sure the readers would appreciate some new take on it (and there your creativity wins you out of your dilemma!)

Man, I hate it when it suddenly hits me that something's simply been ripped off whole cloth from a movie or tv show we've all seen. So, yes, don't let it derail YOUR thing ... but you can always add something unique!

Chicken soup's chicken soup ... it's the sprinkle of exotic seasoning that make it new.

DraperJC
07-29-2007, 07:08 PM
I thought of the things at the bottom of the swimming pool in Cocoon.