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That's a good question right now.
How does rejection really affect you as a writer? Has the impact rejections had on you changed over the course of your career? Were those changes a conscious choice you made? Does getting rejection effect you differently depending on the type of writing it is, for example getting turned down for a work-for-hire position vs. a short story or poem in a magazine?


Also, how do you really feel about form rejections? Why?
 
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Well, I don't have much experience with this. I've been writing for 10 years and I've sent out 1 query letter. I posted the rejection above my bed to remind myself that I need to improve. It wasn't a form letter, and it really didn't affect my writing, since I kept right on going with that, but I never queried again. But that's probably just me being a terrified, lazy git. I guess it could have affected my career though, as I still don't have one ;)
 

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I used to send one or two full manuscripts with a sketchy cover letter. Two dozen or so rejections introduced a level of inertia that I have not been able to overcome for several months now. I gave away one of my WIPs including all rights to another writer. I can imagine myself getting my ass back in gear any day now!

Timely question Lori, may we ask what causes you to ask it at this time?
 

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I don't submit. I just write. Heh. I know, I'm a loser, and it really has nothing to do with a wish to not be published. Being published would be nice, but I have to query first ;)

The one query was to SF&F magazine, for a short story, and it was about 5 years ago. I write short stories and novels, but I can never get up the guts to send out queries it seems. ::shrug::
 

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I feel a bit freakish because I don't seem to react to rejections. I just toss it, see if my WIP still needs work, and resubmit. So no, rejection hasn't really changed how I approach my, uh, career (I feel funny calling it that). I treat the rejection as a signal that I need to keep improving, but that's about it. Maybe batting over 50% on acceptances to rejections has helped me stay positive, but I'm not sure.

ETA: the one rejection that hurt a bit for me was on a book proposal where I was a co-author with an expert in his industry. The expert already had one book out with a pretty famous author, but wanted to work with me for his second book. His publisher read my proposal and said, in essence, "We like the book idea, we like the proposal, we like the writing, and we want to do the book. But not with MeowGirl as the co-author because she's a no-name writer and won't be able to sell the books." Ouch. The publisher wouldn't even agree to a lower advance. But it was a fair business decision, and so we decided to drop the project.
 
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I always experience a moment of disappointment. But it fades quickly and I send that puppy back out. The first ones hurt, now maybe I'm tougher.

But I admit that when I send one out that I think is perfect for a market and I get a form reject, that smarts. A personal rejection is always better. I'm not sure why.
 

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That's a good question right now.
Timely question Lori, may we ask what causes you to ask it at this time?

Honestly, I've been reading submissions for Coyote Wild this past week and there's some really excellent submissions that we're going to have to reject because, they're just not specfic. Most of them are much more literary. This got me thinking about the reasons things are rejected and the perspective writers have about rejections and then I was looking in at the Rejection-Dejection forum and... one thought led to another.


But I admit that when I send one out that I think is perfect for a market and I get a form reject, that smarts. A personal rejection is always better. I'm not sure why.

Having been on the other side of the desk, I really appreciate all the reasons for using form rejections now.

ETA: the one rejection that hurt a bit for me was on a book proposal where I was a co-author with an expert in his industry. The expert already had one book out with a pretty famous author, but wanted to work with me for his second book. His publisher read my proposal and said, in essence, "We like the book idea, we like the proposal, we like the writing, and we want to do the book. But not with MeowGirl as the co-author because she's a no-name writer and won't be able to sell the books." Ouch. The publisher wouldn't even agree to a lower advance. But it was a fair business decision, and so we decided to drop the project.

I believe I remember you posting about this when it happened. That is one of those rejections that would sting because, although it was a legitimate business decision, the reason had more to do with who you are than with the work you were capable of doing.
 

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I am, I hate to admit, a big ball of self-doubt and rejections don't help. With no acceptances under my belt, every rejection feels like it's whittling off a little bit of a dream and slicing away at the way I've defined myself since... pretty much forever. Logically, I know they're not personal and there are lots of reasons for rejection and yadda yadda yadda believe in myself, but the more rejections I get, the louder that little voice gets that says, "Maybe you've been wrong about yourself all along."

Yet, for some reason, I keep sending stuff out.
 

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I've only submitted short stories thus far, and these rejections did not help due to form type rejections. I don't know if it's the writing, not the editor's cup of tea, or what.

When I send out the novel and query, we'll see what I get.
 

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Forms

Rejections never have bothered me, probably because I started selling pretty well before I received any rejections, but I can't say I like form rejections.

Forms always have a meaning, and that meaning is you didn't even come close. It may be because the writing is bad, or the story is wrong/inappropriate for the magazine, etc., but something is seriously wrong.

But there's another side to this coin. I haven't received a form rejection in a long, long time. There comes a point when a good enough cover letter, one with the right credits, usually means you'll pretty much always receive a personal rejection. It's a professional courtesy sort of thing. This isn't always a good, either.

The plus side is that most editors almost explain exactly why they didn't accept the story, but the down side is that too many tend to be a bit more timid in telling me everything that's really wrong with a story. Editors tend to be nicer than they should be, and this makes it tougher to fix a story.
 

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Editing, researching Agents, and writing query letters makes me sleepy, too. There's a big black block in my head, inside which this stuff resides, and a wall of ether around it. As much as I love ether, sometimes it's hard to get through that layer and into the box.

With rejections, the ether wins.

As to Form Rejections - they're fine, but they should use fewer words to convey the point. No, thank you. OR I'm interested, please send more. I would much prefer that to the various and sundry Forms out there in use these days.
 

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I have been writing and submitting (mostly articles, quizzes, poetry) for about 5-6 years now and although rejections don't make me happy, I'm used to them. I know they are a part of the business. I take note of them and move on to submit the work elsewhere. It probably also helps that I do make sales fairly regularly. If I didn't I would probably be more negative about the whole thing.
 

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Having been on the other side of the desk, I really appreciate all the reasons for using form rejections now.

Intellectually, I understand the reasons for form rejections, but as an author, I admit that they sting. I KNOW that it's a symptom of how busy an editor is and I know that some folks view a personal rejection as an invitation to write back and complain. But it FEELS like someone saying "You aren't important enough for me to scrawl the words No, Thanks on a scrap of paper." Ouch. Fortunately, I don't get them much anymore, but that seems to make them sting even more.
 

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They used to sting, when I first started out. Now, I'm pretty much immune to them. Just another reason for me to move on and keep trying. If they are personal with nice advice, that's a bonus. Otherwise, I file them.

I guess the impact of rejections lessened after I got a few things accepted. Publication helped a lot, so that I didn't really look at rejections as "I do suck." It became more apparent to me that it was always about the work, and not me, and I was able to more objectively assess my work.

In a way, it was a conscious choice I made. We are responsible for our feelings, and I deliberately told myself not to make a big deal of rejections.

And no, rejections haven't really changed the way I write or the subject matter, etc. I still write stories, and I let the stories dictate how I write them. I am more aware of markets.

I prefer form rejections, really. They are simple -- a no is a no, so I can move on. Column "yes" and column "no." Simple. If it's a personal note, I appreciate it but then it complicates things -- is the editor right or is it just his or her opinion? Do I need to change my story? Etc. Most often they don't really add anything to the mix, and they just become distraction. So, yes, I prefer a form rejection. A "thank you" for the submission would be nice.
 

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Rejections don't bother me at all. I mean, they don't make me happy, but they don't linger with me. They certainly don't make me think I'm in the wrong business. When Vivien and I began writing together, we decided almost immediately that I would be in charge of submissions, because for as much as they don't bother me, they really hurt her. I haven't had many, and every single work of mine that's been rejected has been picked up somewhere else. But I think there are a few reasons why I don't mind rejections so much.

1) There's a Johnny Depp movie called Dead Man, and at one point in the movie, the bad guy sneers, "Fuck me? Fuck you!" and shoots another guy in the head. Every time I get a rejection, I think of that line, and it makes me feel better.

2) Apparently, the purpose of grad school is to make sure that you understand that you know nothing. Why would a rejection from some editor bother me when I have to screw my courage to the sticking place every single morning when I go to school? Getting a form rejection is nothing compared to the constant ego-crushing torture chamber that is graduate school. I mean, my profs give me 3-4 pages of comments explaining how much my term papers suck. A form rejection after that is almost sweet.
 

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I've developed a thicker skin over the years and so I don't take rejections personally any more although I'd be lying if I said they didn't bother me. I don't mind form letters as I understand most rejection letters are form letters and agents and publishers simply don't have the time to respond personally to a couple of hundred unsolicited submissions each week.
 

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ETA: Oh, rejection still stings if it's from an agent/editor I really, really, really want to get. It's more of a disappointment than anything else.
 

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I've gotten to the point now that if I don't get at least one rejection a week, I don't feel like a writer.
 

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I mostly preject myself anymore. The track record being what it is, it's hard to look at anything I write and imagine there being any conceivable outlet for its publication. As for form rejections, a rejection is a rejection, and they all melt into the grand homogeneous continuum.

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I used to be an actress, and the waiting by the phone for my agent to ring tell me yea or nay was never fun. I swore I wouldn't have the same heart-in-mouth attitude to writing.

Five years on, with only one acceptance, and that being a prestigious paid writers course rather than a production deal (I write screenplays), and of course I have exactly the same attitude.

With every rejection, I feel that success is farther off. Even if it's an encouraging letter. I suppose that's because I always feel I've sent off my best on that piece of work.

Earlier this year, I tried writing a short story, and got a swift and form rejection. For a while I was upset, but then started learning how to write them effectively, rather than just conclude that they're not my milieu.

I don't submit enough, I know, because I tend to stop after a couple of rejects and work on the piece in question. I think, 'If they say it, it must be true'. I don't see the point of subbing 10 more times on the same piece if it isn't good enough for the 3 who said no - I want to up its chances before I go again. This applies to production companies and competitions rather than agents. Agents are a different matter - differing opinions and all that.

I'm sure if I had just one script commission, I'd be a bit more sanguine about rejections. Rejections haven't stopped me writing, but if nothing's changed in a couple more years, I'll be reluctant to throw good years after bad.
 
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