Where's Jack Bauer when you need him?

[seun]

Damn it, Chloe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252276.stm

[William Haskins]

nothing to see here, folks. just another false-flag operation by the elites to keep the populace scared.

at least that's what some say (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2897948)...

[oswann]

They found gas bottles in the car. I'm not sure if they were rigged up to be a bomb or not but it all sounds dodgey to me.

Os.

[billythrilly7th]

nothing to see here, folks. just another false-flag operation by the elites to keep the populace scared.

at least that's what some say (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2897948)...

That place is a potential goldmine for the psychiatric community.

Anyhooo....good job in stopping this attack.

[tourdeforce]

Once again, the potential attack was stopped by good old public awareness, reporting suspicios activity and regular police work.

All that personal data mining and processing and blanet email monitoring never seems to come into play.

Law enforcement.

That is the way the war on terror needs to be fought.

[billythrilly7th]

Once again, the potential attack was stopped by good old public awareness, reporting suspicios activity and regular police work.

All that personal data mining and processing and blanet email monitoring never seems to come into play.

Law enforcement.

That is the way the war on terror needs to be fought.

You can't predict how many terrorist attacks were stopped simply because the terrorist network and communications and data is known to be monitored.

It takes a lot longer for a carrier pigeon to go from the rolling tundra of Afghanistan to a suberb of Chicago than it does an e-mail.

Thank you.

[Roger J Carlson]

All that personal data mining and processing and blanet email monitoring never seems to come into play.Highly suspect conclusion. We'll never know how many threats were averted by such measures.

And before you say it, I can't prove that they have either. But saying that those measures never come into play is unprovable.

[billythrilly7th]

I believe what Roger and I are saying is that you can't prove a double negative.

Or to use a baseball term, you musn't believe in the theory of a pre-ordained conclusion.

For example. Just because the ump made a bad call and ended the inning doesn't mean that the batter the next inning who hit a home run would have hit the home run if the bad call wasn't made.

[oswann]

I believe what Roger and I are saying is that you can't prove a double negative.

Or to use a baseball term, you musn't believe in the theory of a pre-ordained conclusion.

For example. Just because the ump made a bad call and ended the inning doesn't mean that the batter the next inning who hit a home run would have hit the home run if the bad call wasn't made.

Damn. Billy, you're making my head spin.

Os.

[seun]

nothing to see here, folks. just another false-flag operation by the elites to keep the populace scared.

at least that's what some say (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2897948)...

That was my reaction this morning. Perhaps I'm too cynical.

[tourdeforce]

You can't predict how many terrorist attacks were stopped simply because the terrorist network and communications and data is known to be monitored.

It takes a lot longer for a carrier pigeon to go from the rolling tundra of Afghanistan to a suberb of Chicago than it does an e-mail.

Thank you.


The US government has made their domestic terror plot arrests very public despite the fact that they seemed to have very weak cases (most of the plots seem to be hatched by FBI informants), so it would seem odd that they advertise the flaky wins and bury the real

And it is not like they are trying to 'protect the public' from the dangers that are out there. They certainly did not try to bury the whole blowing-up-the-JFK-pipeline attack that would have incinerated an entire suburb.

They would definitely promote any real victories in the 'war on terror'.

[billythrilly7th]

I'm not saying that they're burying anything.

Maybe the data mining etc hasn't actually stopped a single attack that was being planned.

But the fact that the terrorists know about monitoring and data mining, etc forces them to use much bulkier and less advantageous forms of communication and in some cases they probably don't communicate at all.

Their entire network is messed up.

I like it like that.

Data mine away.

Listen away.

Library record away.
That's what I say.

[RumpleTumbler]

I love the link on CNN.

FBI says London bomb poses no threat to the US.

:roll:

idiots

Now they've changed it to "London incident"

idiots

[billythrilly7th]

England has major problems.

They have their own mini-terrorist communities within the normal Muslim communities where hate is preached in the mosques and attacks are planned.

I wonder what needs to happen for the British government to take real action against this gathering storm.

[tourdeforce]

England has major problems.

They have their own mini-terrorist communities where hate is preached in the mosques and attacks are planned.

I wonder what needs to happen for the British government to take real action against this gathering storm.


They need some real leaders who do not respond to terrorists attacks by saying "Well I dare say, that was quite rude".

[RumpleTumbler]

I wonder what needs to happen for the British government to take real action against this gathering storm.

If they give each member of a terrorist group the pound equivalent of a million dollars, free medical care and prescriptions, free automobiles, free weapons of military grade, free education, free housing, immunity to all laws and guarantee not to deport I think they would be well on their way. When the terrorists get tired of that they can declare Sharia law in Britain and setup the terrorists as the only members of the government.

[billythrilly7th]

They need some real leaders who do not respond to terrorists attacks by saying "Well I dare say, that was quite rude".

Are you saying you can fool them once, and that's a shame on them but fool me...you won't be fooled again?

[Jamesaritchie]

The US government has made their domestic terror plot arrests very public despite the fact that they seemed to have very weak cases (most of the plots seem to be hatched by FBI informants), so it would seem odd that they advertise the flaky wins and bury the real

And it is not like they are trying to 'protect the public' from the dangers that are out there. They certainly did not try to bury the whole blowing-up-the-JFK-pipeline attack that would have incinerated an entire suburb.

They would definitely promote any real victories in the 'war on terror'.

But what they try to keep secret are the methods used, not the attacks themselves. You want publicity, most of the time, when you foil a plot, but you may also lie like a dog about how you foiled it. And when revealing a foiled plot means revealing something else you don't want known, the public may never hear about any of it.

[clintl]

While you're making fun of the English, it might be worth remembering that they have a lot more experience dealing with terrorism than the U.S. does.

[Bravo]

who needs bauer when you have cobra?

Prime Minister Gordon Brown, facing a major challenge two days after succeeding Tony Blair, convened Britain's top security committee, Cobra.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070629/ts_nm/britain_bomb_dc_15


that's why britain's going to win.



http://www.silentcastle.com/cobracommand/ccom.jpg


doesnt get badder than that.


ETA:

although, admittedly, cobra commander did make one too many blunders. hopefully destro's in charge now.

[tourdeforce]

I wonder if we really have something like Fox Force Five- supermodels who operate undercover as secret agents.

[MattW]

Reminder to American politicians of all stripes - terrorists are out there, they want to kill us, and the smart ones don't give a camel's toe about Iraq. Please act accordingly.

[Bravo]

and the smart ones don't give a camel's toe about Iraq.

that's why there's been so many attacks against scandavian nations.

terrorists obviously hate them because of their freedoms.

[billythrilly7th]

Matt, you must remember that before we went into Iraq there were no terrorist attacks.

The word wasn't even invented until 2004.

[Bravo]

and before 2004, none of the scandanavian nations had freedoms terrorists would hate.

[William Haskins]

that's why there's been so many attacks against scandavian nations.

terrorists obviously hate them because of their freedoms.

terrorists love norway because it's a safe haven and safe fundraising base for them.

sweden does have a growing problem with radical muslim activity (http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/03/swedish-muslims-call-for-terror.html)despite being spared attacks.

denmark has thwarted terrorist attacks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4801123.stm) (more (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-05-denmark-terror_x.htm)).

it's not that they hate them for their freedoms (though the case can be made regarding freedom of the press and the mohammed cartoons) so much as that they love them for their lax immigration policies and generous welfare.

[billythrilly7th]

and before 2004, none of the scandanavian nations had freedoms terrorists would hate.

They do hate the freedoms of Scandanavian nations, but they have limited resources and have been brainwashed to believe that they have more important reasons to hate America and Britain.

And if you don't do anything other than just be free, because you really don't have any clout about anything then yeah...they aren't gonna pay much attention to them.

They hate the freedoms of everybody.

But they can't attack the world.

Yet.

Yet.

Sleep well, son.

[Magdalen]

Matt, you must remember that before we went into Iraq there were no terrorist attacks.



The word wasn't even invented until 2004.


Billy, you're joking right? Spielberg edited the word "terrorist" out of ET (1982) when he digitized it. I think I heard the word first in the 70's.

[Magdalen]

fudge

But to keep to the thread's topic. Where is Jack Bauer?

Why, he's probably taking a leak.

[tourdeforce]

Norway has a great pavillion at EPCOT's World Showcase.

How the hell can anyone hate them?

[dclary]

terrorists love norway because it's a safe haven and safe fundraising base for them.

sweden does have a growing problem with radical muslim activity (http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/03/swedish-muslims-call-for-terror.html)despite being spared attacks.

denmark has thwarted terrorist attacks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4801123.stm)(more (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-05-denmark-terror_x.htm)).

it's not that they hate them for their freedoms (though the case can be made regarding freedom of the press and the mohammed cartoons) so much as that they love them for their lax immigration policies and generous welfare.
I love Norway for one reason.

Slartibartfast.

[dclary]

And vikings.

[Bravo]

sweden does have a growing problem with radical muslim activity (http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/03/swedish-muslims-call-for-terror.html)despite being spared attacks.


that was a very weak article. the simple fact is that by bush logic, and the logic of many many on this forum, scandanvian nations, arguably the most liberal and free nations in the world, should be facing existential threats from radical jihadists on a daily basis.

for some reason though, their sizeable muslim populations have not struck at them.

denmark has thwarted terrorist attacks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4801123.stm) (more (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-05-denmark-terror_x.htm)).

denmark did actually support the iraq war, and had even sent troops there.


it's not that they hate them for their freedoms


so we're in agreement then.

They do hate the freedoms of Scandanavian nations, but they have limited resources and have been brainwashed to believe that they have more important reasons to hate America and Britain.

darn.

if only there was a way into brainwashing muslim people into not believing their land was occupied by america and britian. :(

[William Haskins]

if anything, qaz, your posts successfully underscore the fairness and even-handedness of muslim terrorists. they're like snakes or bees... they're ultimately benevolent and only strike if threatened.

got it.

[billythrilly7th]

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/jewish_occupation.gif

[MattW]

That's a great graphic Billy - why have you never posted it before?

[Bravo]

denmark has thwarted terrorist attacks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4801123.stm) (more (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-05-denmark-terror_x.htm)).

number of islamic terrorist attacks before the iraq war: zero.

number of islamic terrorist attacks in britain before the iraq war: zero.

must be a coincidence.


they're ultimately benevolent and only strike if threatened.



i never said or implied anything about them being benevolent, but they certainly werent committing acts of terror against nations simply because they were free.

unless there has just been a mass of suicide bombings that have gone unreported by the left-wing media.

that might explain the bizarre coincidence.

[billythrilly7th]

That's a great graphic Billy - why have you never posted it before?

I've been saving it for just the right time.

[billythrilly7th]

number of islamic terrorist attacks before the iraq war: zero.

number of islamic terrorist attacks in britain before the iraq war: zero.

must be a coincidence.



i never said or implied anything about them being benevolent, but they certainly werent committing acts of terror against nations that did not interfere with them.

unless there has just been a mass of suicide bombings that have gone unreported by the left-wing media.

that might explain the bizarre coincidence.

I've always loved the "don't fight back or you'll make them more angry" mentality.

"Don't go to Iraq, it'll make them more angry!!!"

"You see!!! You made the psycho angry guys more angry!! Well done!"

"Let's just do nothing and hopefully their anger will calm down and they won't attack us again."

I don't give a frog's fat ass if they're more angry at us because of Iraq.

They were plenty angry enough before Iraq.

DUH.

F'em.

They all die in the end.

I know the conclusion to this story.

They all die.

So...f'em.

Now...as far as the "they hate us for our freedoms" thing.

yeah, I hear ya, Bravo. It's a slogan.

They DO hate us for that.

But they hate us for much more insane reasons like our support of Israel and our support of mid-east dictators. And then when we dispose of a mid-east dictator they hate us for that.

Lunatics.

They can't even keep their story straight.

"We hate America because they prop-up dictators in the middle east."

"We hate America because they attacked and got rid of a dictator."

Pfffhhh...it's a joke.

F'em.

They all die in the end.

Thank you.

Happy Friday!

[Bravo]

But they hate us for much more insane reasons like our support of Israel and our support of mid-east dictators. And then when we dispose of a mid-east dictator they hate us for that.i've done this a thousand times with you, so consider this a response to all other people who believe this meme:

america did not have to invade anyone if it wanted to promote democracy in the region.

all america had to do was cut off funding to egypt until there were free elections, and all it had to do was stop supporting the saudis and kuwaitis, and the jordanians, and the omanians, etc etc etc.

there's about ten dictators right there that we actively prop up and even *gasp* arm to the teeth.

so lets quit the crap about this war was our way of bringing freedom to the region.

[dclary]

number of islamic terrorist attacks before the iraq war: zero.

number of islamic terrorist attacks in britain before the iraq war: zero.

must be a coincidence.


number of islamic terrorist attacks in america before 9/11: zero (by clinton's count. actual results may vary).

[Bravo]

no.

but america has been directly involved in the ME for a few decades now.

[dclary]

And Britain wasn't?

[dclary]

What about Norway? I saw Lidskjalf of Arabia

[billythrilly7th]

i've done this a thousand times with you, so consider this a response to all other people who believe this meme:

america did not have to invade anyone if it wanted to promote democracy in the region.

all america had to do was cut off funding to egypt until there were free elections, and all it had to do was stop supporting the saudis and kuwaitis, and the jordanians, and the omanians, etc etc etc.

there's about ten dictators right there that we actively prop up and even *gasp* arm to the teeth.

Oh, so they didn't like that we propped up dictators and then were unhappy with the method in which we decided to no longer prop up a dictator.

Beggers can't be choosers.

Like Frankie said, we did it our way.

Don't like it?

Too bad. Maybe if you had even the slightest bunch of rational bones in your psychotic murdering oppressive bodies, we'd think about chatting with you about the methods you'd like us to use to help you with your agenda of taking over the world.

But since you don't, you will all end up on the smoldering scrap heap of histories failed ideologies. And you're gonna take a lot of people with you.

Good luck, terrorists.

See ya in hell.

Bin Laden: you first, Thrilly.

[Magdalen]

[quote=Bravo;1439481]that was a very weak article. the simple fact is that by bush logic, and the logic of many many on this forum, scandanvian nations, arguably the most liberal and free nations in the world, should be facing existential threats from radical jihadists on a daily basis.

for some reason though, their sizeable muslim populations have not struck at them.



denmark did actually support the iraq war, and had even sent troops there.


How about eat with your right hand, wipe yer arse with the left??
Don't shit where you sleep?

[Magdalen]

Damit Bill, there's a poet loose in here. Where's that live trap???

[Bravo]

mag:

um..what?

[Joe270]

I have a informed, calculated political point to make, but I just can't do it with this avatar.

Dang it.

[SpookyWriter]

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[RumpleTumbler]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zLzN7IxdhrA