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Nateskate
01-28-2005, 10:14 PM
I don't like horror, and much prefer fantasy, mystery, sci-fi. Gore does not appeal to me.

However, I wrote a partial story awhile back. Perhaps deep down, I was wondering to myself if I could write a Stephen King type story if I wanted to, although I've never read his books.

My question is about the blurred edges of Genre, and whether I could submit something like this as a fantasy, rather than "horror". This story has been dormant, having been an experiment, and so it is not polished. I don't want to give away too much of the plot, but in my mind it is the type of story you'd tell around a campfire on a dreary sleepless night.

I will post the opening, and simply want suggestions on whether or not a story of legends, curses, could still fit under a fantasy banner?


Opening:
The wide-eyed Hoot Owl stared down as it soared back and forth, winding through the dark leafless trees of Ablegorn, passing over thick briars and brittle nettles, finally reaching the moss and vine-covered stone-bridge that crossed Lonedale Creek, in search for a meal. The rustling of leaves caught its attention, and it turned to look, but these were no potential meals looking back. The cold stares of fiery-eyed shadows passed by, and pointed their long crooked fingers at the bird, drawing its breath away. Frightened, the Owl screeched. This was not the food it sought after, but something unfamiliar and frightening, sinister, and needless to say, quite inhuman. It was a fruitless journey for the old bird, who hungrily turned away to seek food in greener pastures.

What possessed it to fly that way in the first place, and what spooked it, were mysteries. There were no scurrying mice or woodland creatures there. Live things, flitting through the leaves of those dark woods, hadn’t moved along those paths for many years.
Those who rightly interpret dreams would have understood the Omen of the passing bird, discerning its meaning that sadness and sorrow will soon follow when even the wise turn to folly, searching for treasures and sustenance in the land of death.
Passing into Ablegorn was like passing from life onto the borders of the grave, where green disappears, giving way to a bitter gray world, where trees and underbrush live in a perpetual state of near death, cold and leafless, washed of color, in a year-round winter that never ends.
Ablegorn Bridge was no more than seven miles due north of the farthest corner of town, by way of a long winding dirt road. One would suspect that after many years of not being traveled that the road would be overgrown with thick weeds, briars, and burdocks. Yet, not even a patch of grass grew there.
What killed off the brush is unknown, but it wasn’t wagon wheels, or the wearing hoofs of farm animals or the clomping boots of travelers.
Up to three miles before the bridge, where the border between Livingston and Ablegorn ran, beautiful flowers grew tall. On a clear day, the lifeless path was as welcoming as a venous flytrap. Indeed, one wonders if it was baited to lure unsuspecting children to the twisted borders of Ablegorn forest, where those who passed never returned.

James D Macdonald
01-28-2005, 11:41 PM
Sure. Fantasy or "dark fantasy."

Nateskate
01-29-2005, 01:09 AM
Thanks Jim, that makes sense, and helps. If I decide to dust it off and edit it, I'd prefer to stick with the fantasy Genre.

I wasn't quite sure where "Indian Legends" would fall, but they can be rather dark.

It's somewhat a mix of Indian legends with a Twilight Zone twist.

I have a friend who is a Stephen King nut, and has all of his books. I only know of them, and never read them, and just started playing around with an idea, and started writing.

Here's the weird part, after I had written the story (about 60 percent complete), I saw M. Night Shymalan's "The Village", and it would have been in a similar category, except without the twist, or the stilted characters. Then I saw his other movie "Signs".

What Genre do his movies fit in? I assume "Signs" is sci fi. Does "The Village" even have a category?

ElizabethJames
02-01-2005, 07:59 PM
Being new to the fiction business, we have some confusion about genres. The nomenclature seems both fuzzy and slippery at the same time.

Can anyone hazard a guess as to what genre most of Tom Robbins' work would be categorized?

Thanks.

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Favorite sentence from yesterday:

Her eyes are slit to kill.

detante
02-01-2005, 09:51 PM
I'm sure others will correct me if I am wrong, as I have not read any of his work, but I would hazard to guess that Tom Robbins falls into the Literary genre.
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Liz, I hate to be a bother, but would you mind capitalizing the royal "we" so easily confused folks, like myself, can tell when you are talking about the group of us, as opposed to you and the mouse in your pocket? My feeble mind would be ever so grateful! :)

Jen

Nateskate
02-01-2005, 11:02 PM
It seems a rather terrible distraction to have to sort out exactly what Genre to call your story, when in fact, you aren't trying to fit a Genre, but to write a story.

Obviously, some people's stories fit neatly into a Genre, but others don't. And what it boils down to is how you market your story, and to whom you send it. So, it is important to know what to call it.

I don't like gore. If I had a choice, I'd much prefer being on a shelf next to the Wizard of Oz than some slasher story. It's nice to know there's a loophole "Dark Fantasy", although I'm not sure this story fits that Genre either. But if it's not going to fit any Genre, I might as well call it what I like, than have someone tell me what to call it. At least, I think so.

ElizabethJames
02-02-2005, 12:04 AM
Detante, thank you so much for the wonderful suggestion. We are embarrassed We haven't thought of it before!

And something else We have never thought of is this: Why is "I" the only pronoun worthy of capitaLization?

:)

Jamesaritchie
02-02-2005, 12:04 AM
Can anyone hazard a guess as to what genre most of Tom Robbins' work would be categorized?

Mainstream/Literary.

reph
02-02-2005, 12:49 AM
And something else We have never thought of is this: Why is "I" the only pronoun worthy of capitaLization?

That question occurred to my pocket mouse and me some time ago. We were tempted to think the answer was egotism. Most European languages don't capitalize the first-person singular pronoun. Maybe, however, "I" gets special treatment because it has only one letter.

I'm checking the OED. Old English had "ic." In Middle English, forms varied among "ic," "ich," "ik," "yk," "ych(e)," "i," "j," "I," "y," and "Y." These "finally at the introduction of printing settled down as I."

ElizabethJames
02-02-2005, 12:53 AM
Fascinating.

Maybe We should adopt 'Y' in reference to ourselves and our mouse. Good question, eh?

katdad
02-02-2005, 12:55 AM
Nate, I'd peg your excerpt as "fantasy" upon first read.

And please don't get your dander up, but in my opinion, it's also a bit pedantic and overblown. The prose is dated and somewhat muddled.

I'm sure it's a first draft, however, and you'll edit it to liven it up.

By the way, Stephen King doesn't write the way you did, at all. His prose is much more prescient. Your prose seems like a Poe or Lovecraft emulation.

Nateskate
02-02-2005, 03:42 AM
Pedantic? Overblown? Now, I have to go look up two more words. (Just kidding)

I guess I could be guilty of both here, especially in the beginning of the story. Generally speaking, I tend to find that pre-narrative, that I'm more prone to this, then it de-pedans and de-overblows as I go, and becomes more of a straightforward story.

However, in fantasy, sometimes that is a trap that is easier to fall into.

As far as Poe vs King. I've read Poe, but never read King. Just hearing what the stories are about "Pet Cemetary" doesn't interest me. But I'll say this, you are right, now that I think about it, the core story (not style) is very Poe, having that "odd twist".

I haven't finished writing it, so I don't know if I can pull it off. Twists are the hardest thing to pull off well. I guessed the storyline of "The Village" after the first twenty minutes. Then I saw signs, and was surprised that there really were aliens.

sc211
02-02-2005, 11:29 AM
ElizabethJames - the thing that gets me about the "we" is I keep flashing back to the Borg. :p

But really - is it you, Elizabeth, or James, who writes these, or do you work them out together in some previously unknown agreeable partnership within a married couple?

Either way, glad you and you are here.