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ned
04-24-2007, 06:50 PM
G'morning writers. I'm starting my career here by breaking two (unwritten) rules. I posted a question without an intro, now I'm posting an introduction here rather than in the newbie section.

Excuse me, please! Last night, after finding this site and registering, I didn't have the energy to write an intro. I was up 'til forever with a headache and thought I'd better wait with this. Second, I prefer to introduce myself here only because I doubt I'll be elsewhere very often. I've been wanting a place like this for a while. I've tried a couple of Christian Writer forums on Yahoo, but was never satisfied with the types of conversations there.

Ned's been my nickname since high school. I am not a boy, however. If it matters to anyone, there it is.

I'm a history fanatic. My focus has always been on Napoleonic/Regency, depending on which country I'm writing in. I lived in England for ten years, where I found most of my inspiration and where I researched many of the locations for my fiction. I hope to live there again one day.

I started writing secular novels that were more character-driven than the average Napoleonic novel. After finishing three novels, I couldn't see the point of it all. I knew I loved to write, but needed more than a good story to justify the way I spent my time. After several years (I regret) of resisting, I knew I had to write Christian/Inspirational fiction. I think for many of us, it's a struggle. We must weigh the facts: Christian fiction doesn't pay as well as secular, and there aren't as many best selling authors in the genre. The chances of success seem smaller. Still, I couldn't do anything else. I don't want to be ashamed of what I've written.

Finally, I've finished a novel that I think is worth reading--worth trying to sell. It's finished and I'm going to spend the summer trying to find an agent. Meanwhile, I've got a draft of its sequel, as well as a draft of one that takes place in the years before this one.

I'm here because I can't find any support locally for this kind of work. I've tried other on-line forums, even Writer's Net, but the negative, anti-religious atmosphere makes it an uncomfortable place to ask questions.

I don't blame non-Christians for their attitude. One of my greatest complaints about Christian fiction in general is the lack of quality in the writing, particularly in novels that are written for the female readers. I can best describe it as "Harlequin Romance with Sunday School Teachers."

My goal, or my fantasy, is to see Christian fiction grow into a respected genre. There are some excellent writers being published now, but most of those are male-oriented. It frustrates me when I see how many awesome books are being written, books that anyone can enjoy, while the Christian market seems to be in this rut that's lasted for twenty years or more. Are publishers so afraid to do other than what's already been done?

What I write is what I'd like to read: good fiction with an inspirational theme. What I dislike are novels that tone things down for a supposedly less-wordly audience. Christians, like most humans, are painfully aware of the evil in the world. If anything, they are more aware. Why, then, must fiction for a Christian audience be so weak? Why the mild themes, the passive characters, the lack of verisimilitude? Christians, historically, are anything but weak, passive people. It doesn't make sense to assume that Christian readers can't handle the truth. Perhaps there are those who isolate themselves from the world, insulating themselves, using their churches for all socializing, having only friends who attend that church, and never expanding themselves outside that comfortable place.

I don't write for comfortable Christians. And I don't know if that means I'll never be published. Whatever the case, I write honestly.

Thanks for listening; I hope this doesn't offend anyone. That's not my intention. It's just my opinion.

Kindest regards to all,
ned

Higgins
04-24-2007, 08:19 PM
I don't write for comfortable Christians.

I don't write for comfortable Christians either.

Glad you are here.

Roger J Carlson
04-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Hi ned,

Glad you joined us.

There is no unwritten rule about introducing yourself (I never did and they made me a mod). However, you should go over to the Newbie Forum and check out the The Newbie Guide to Absolute Write (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34886) and the other "sticky" topics there. Also the FAQ forum (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=35)is a great place to learn how things work around here.

I understand that you're principly interested in Christian fiction, but there are a bunch of resources here you should look into. You should visit the Bewares and Background Checks (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22) forum before you submit to any agent. It will help you avoid the most notorious scams or fill you in on reputable agents. Also, Learning to Write With Uncle Jim (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7987) over in Writing Novels is another great resource for fiction writing.

The number one rule around here is respect your fellow writer. That doesn't mean everyone will always respect your opinion, but they will respect your right to have a differing opinion.

Welcome aboard.

Dancre
04-24-2007, 09:46 PM
Welcome, Ned, who isn't a male!!!


I'm here because I can't find any support locally for this kind of work. I've tried other on-line forums, even Writer's Net, but the negative, anti-religious atmosphere makes it an uncomfortable place to ask questions.


Yes, it is hard to find a place to ask christian questions. And you might find an anti-Christian attitude on some of AW's threads, but I just ignore those people. But this area is great to ask questions. Sometimes the Athiests pop in just to see what's happening, but they are really cool. Although there are one or two who like to bait us on other threads, just ignore them.


I don't blame non-Christians for their attitude. One of my greatest complaints about Christian fiction in general is the lack of quality in the writing, particularly in novels that are written for the female readers. I can best describe it as "Harlequin Romance with Sunday School Teachers."


Amen, amen!! But the best Christian book I've read so far is by Ginny Smith, Just as I am. It is well written and has a wonderful plot. And I agree, most Christian literature is so horribly written, makes you want to poke out your eyes.


My goal, or my fantasy, is to see Christian fiction grow into a respected genre. There are some excellent writers being published now, but most of those are male-oriented. It frustrates me when I see how many awesome books are being written, books that anyone can enjoy, while the Christian market seems to be in this rut that's lasted for twenty years or more. Are publishers so afraid to do other than what's already been done?


Me too!! You know, I think the problem is the christian publishers care more about content then quality. AS long as the book has a goody-two shoes story, the technique doesn't matter, at least from what I've seen. So the writers become lazy, real lazy. And the big publishers won't touch sexuality, homosexuality, drugs, sexual abuse, etc. But these are things that are now facing us. And yes, the publishers say, give us give us something fresh, but make it the same as everything else.


What I write is what I'd like to read: good fiction with an inspirational theme. What I dislike are novels that tone things down for a supposedly less-wordly audience. Christians, like most humans, are painfully aware of the evil in the world. If anything, they are more aware. Why, then, must fiction for a Christian audience be so weak? Why the mild themes, the passive characters, the lack of verisimilitude? Christians, historically, are anything but weak, passive people. It doesn't make sense to assume that Christian readers can't handle the truth. Perhaps there are those who isolate themselves from the world, insulating themselves, using their churches for all socializing, having only friends who attend that church, and never expanding themselves outside that comfortable place.


It weak b/c everyone is afraid of offending everyone. God forbid!! If the publisher publishes a book on child abuse, someone may become upset!! GASP!! But who cares?? That's why I love Ginny Smith's books. They are gritty and get into the meat of being a christian. And I agree, Ned, being a Christian isn't for whimps!! It takes a strong and brave person to be a christian today, so why not show that through fiction? But there are small publishers today who are taking the risk and making a ton of money. And who was it who said, some folks want to set up a missions within the sound of churchbells, but he wanted to set up a missions a yard before the gates of hell.

kim

callalily61
04-24-2007, 10:00 PM
At the risk of sounding like a broken record (a simile that just aged me!):

Tracy Groot!

Biblical fiction. Run, don't walk to find her books. I read the first one (The Brother's Keeper) twice in 4 days.

And yes, I've tried to read Christian fiction. Operative word there is tried. Like watching a Shirley Temple/Lassie/Leave it to Beaver marathon while eating maple syrup straight out of the bottle.

I read Lovecraft and Tolkien and Stoker, so you can see why I don't head for the christian section in the bookstores--and why I'm aiming for the ABA.

mauricesempine
04-24-2007, 10:03 PM
Funny thing about finally doing what God wants us to do. He may not have had everything lined up waiting for you to come around. Be patient; pray; pray a whole lot more.

Mac

Judg
04-24-2007, 10:15 PM
:welcome:

III
04-24-2007, 10:21 PM
Like watching a Shirley Temple/Lassie/Leave it to Beaver marathon while eating maple syrup straight out of the bottle.

"So you like sugar?"
"Does syrup have sugar?"
"Yeah."
"Then YES!"

Welcome aboard Ned. This is a great place to bounce around just the ideas that you're bouncing.

ned
04-24-2007, 10:49 PM
Thanks for the fond welcome. I'm glad I haven't (so far) offended anyone. I think my comment about Christian romance novels was a bit harsh. The genre does have an audience, or it wouldn't be printed so much, would it? Guess I've just never been into stories about girls getting boyfriends/husbands. I just had a conversation with my mom, and told her she must have raised me with enough love that I've never needed men. I want men. I have a husband, and I love him. But I don't need him for personal happiness. Maybe that's why romance turns me off.

By the way, like many of you, I'll read any well-written book. Of Christian fiction, I think "The Robe" is still a favorite. Brilliant, good writing. The movie sucked, of course.

I also love Steinbeck, particularly "East of Eden." Go figure! My favorites are the Victorians and Georgians, Austen, Dickens, Byron, Dumas, . I'm a great lover of Tolkien, of course, and am reading his letters right now, published by his son. What insight into the mind of an awesome storyteller.

I'll also read Voltaire, Stendahl, Trollope, even read Laclos and Cleland: too much sex, I know, especially from the French writers. I've never sunk so low as Crebellion, however. A negative sort of virtue, but there it is.

Thanks again everyone, and if some didn't comment because I sound a bit caustic, my apologies. I'd welcome any discussion about the pros and cons of Christian fiction. ANY.

Dancre
04-25-2007, 07:45 AM
Nay, if you offend us, we'll just plummet you to death with big sticks. :)

kim

ned
04-25-2007, 10:17 AM
Thanks Mr. Carlson,

Before I registered, I did a fair bit of reading, namely because I wanted to know what sort of information was displayed after registering. (WritersNet displays ISP information, which I think is an invasion.) I did read through the FAQ section and a number of others. This site is complicated compared to some other forums, and I wasn't sure how to proceed. Thanks, everything you had for new members is really simple and easy to understand. I'm not a techie so I needed some guidance.

I'm familiar with Preditors and Editors and Writer Beware, and of course the biggie scams that new writers fall prey to, and really appreciate that you guys are helping to get the word out. It seems that once a week I hear of some poor writer who gets his or her hopes up when these crooks contact them with a supposed contract. (I figured it out when I was thirteen and did the drawing test to see if I had the talent to become an illustrator. I passed! Being skeptical helps a person avoid scams, I suppose.

I've visited the History section, my passion, and just finished printing out the pages on formatting a MS. I do have some questions about that which I'll post in the appropriate spot. Thanks for the heads-up on Uncle Jim; I'll be going there next.

I feel really comfortable here. I've been in other places that don't discourage attacks against believers in God, if they don't quite encourage it. I don't argue with people who insult Christianity, but it sure makes for an uncomfortable visit.

Guess I'll go cruising aroung the site some more. The amount of information here is unrelenting!

Thanks again for the welcome mat. I wiped my feet.

Hi ned,

Glad you joined us.

Also, Learning to Write With Uncle Jim (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7987) over in Writing Novels is another great resource for fiction writing.

The number one rule around here is respect your fellow writer. That doesn't mean everyone will always respect your opinion, but they will respect your right to have a differing opinion.

Welcome aboard.

Roger J Carlson
04-25-2007, 05:36 PM
Mr. Carlson? You hear that everybody? She called me Mr. Carlson! Shows some people have class. ;)

Actually, the mods here spend a great deal of time and energy balancing free speech and respect. There is a fine line. One of my jobs as the mod of the Christian forum is to represent those with a Christian world-view.

Sounds like you're going to fit in here just fine.

callalily61
04-25-2007, 06:58 PM
Mr. Carlson? You hear that everybody? She called me Mr. Carlson! Shows some people have class. ;)



Hang on...I put on a skirt for work today...

Goood Moooorning, Mr. Carlson! :Hail:

(meh. We don't have a curtsying smiley)

Roger J Carlson
04-25-2007, 08:15 PM
(meh. We don't have a curtsying smiley)Here's one:
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/curtsie.gif
http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/curtsie.gif

callalily61
04-25-2007, 10:00 PM
Why, thank you, kind sir.

*ahem* I'll try again.


Goood Moooorning, Mr. Carlson!http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/curtsie.gif


Much better. Can'tcha just feel the respect? Why, I'm just wallowing in it. :D

Dancre
04-25-2007, 11:17 PM
Mr. Carlson? You hear that everybody? She called me Mr. Carlson! Shows some people have class. ;)

Actually, the mods here spend a great deal of time and energy balancing free speech and respect. There is a fine line. One of my jobs as the mod of the Christian forum is to represent those with a Christian world-view.

Sounds like you're going to fit in here just fine.

LOL!! Now the truth comes out!! LOL!!!

kim

flutecrafter
05-13-2007, 09:31 AM
And who was it who said, some folks want to set up a missions within the sound of churchbells, but he wanted to set up a missions a yard before the gates of hell.

kim
not sure who it was, but that is where things get more interesting. :snoopy:

mark