How to get your book back from PA

James D Macdonald

Found elsewhere on the 'net



Take your book. Change the title. Change the author’s name. Do a light rewrite on the first and last chapters, the first and last paragraphs of all the other chapters, and the frontmatter and backmatter.

You’d be surprised how often the central plot mcguffin can be swapped for a different mcguffin without making you have to do a major rewrite. If that’s true of your book, swap it out.

Now go through the book again and change all the proper names, plus all the place names that can be changed without doing violence to the continuity. Change any made-up language you used. If there’s poetry, consider deleting it. You probably should have done that the first time around anyway. If you used chapter titles, change those too.

Dedicate it to someone else. For instance, dedicate it to your parents, but give them different names. Or dedicate the book to everyone who helped you with it at some university or workshop you never attended. Draw a new map. If any of the frontmatter could just as well be backmatter, move it there. Same goes for backmatter that could just as well be frontmatter. Finally, change the copyright notice. You’re allowed to do that. It’s a substantially different work.

What you now have is a manuscript that can only be identified as the book published by the Bad Old Publisher if the person doing the identifying has read both versions. This is unlikely. (Let’s face it: If anyone had read that edition, you wouldn’t be looking for a new publisher.) It’s even more unlikely that the person who spots it will be your former publisher, or someone who still likes your former publisher.

One faint possibility is that it’ll be the person who was employed to do the text formatting and spellchecking the first time around. Don’t worry. Nobody uses in-house staff for work like that unless they have money to burn, so the text wrangler was either a freelancer who doesn’t much care, or an ex-employee who doesn’t care at all.
The other possibility is that it’ll be spotted by your vengeful former spouse or employee. God gives us enemies to make sure there’ll always be someone around who’s interested in how we’re doing. The current emotional status of your exes is something you’ll have to calculate for yourself. If your ex-spouse comprehensively loathes you, consider using this as your new dedication:

This one’s yours, honey;
Always was, always will be.
If you find this message, call me.
You know my number.

They’ll be slower to confront you if they think it’ll be taken as a gesture of reconciliation.

If someone does rat you out, insist that the revised version is a separate book that took you even longer to write than the first one did. Start prosing on about the many significant differences between the two titles. You’ll sound just like one of those authors who really does write the same book every time. Keep it up until your accuser dies of boredom or goes away, whichever comes first.

Don’t ever talk about having pulled this stunt. Not even if it makes a good story. Not even if you claim it happened to your cousin. Not even in an interview years and years from now when you’ve become rich and famous. Not at all. It’s bad enough for me to suggest that this is possible. Saying that you’ve done it is wildly indiscreet, and could be used against you in a court of law. Remember: the only easy way to prove you’ve done this is to have you say so yourself.

Will this actually work? Seriously, it might. If there’s one thing you can assume about vanity presses that publish dozens or even hundreds of titles, it’s that management isn’t reading the books. Besides, a lot of books have similar-sounding plots. If you’re trying to smuggle your book out under their radar, it’s probably enough that you don’t provide them with any easily googled search strings, and that you alter the text they’re most likely to look at while flipping through a printed copy.

Remember, only one reviewer ever noticed that Richard Bachman wrote just like Stephen King; and when he said so, nobody paid much attention.

So here’s the end. I can’t say I’m recommending that you do this. I’m just saying it’ll probably work. But whatever happens, you didn’t hear it from me.
 

marky48

Harder for me since mine is nonfiction. Luckily I didn't name my ex.
 

DaveKuzminski

Better yet

Suggest to all your writer friends that they submit their trunked novels that they know are not recoverable as truly marketable works to PublishAmerica for the two free copies and not attempt to sell any copies to anyone. Then we can find out just how much they can handle before they go broke. That or they'll start applying some actual quality control. Either way produces a good result.
 

James D Macdonald

Re: Better yet

They can probably eat a lot before they go broke. The way I figure it they've pulled in $1.3 million in unearned profits so far.
 

marky48

Re: Better yet

That's why they won't quit until someone helps them to do so. Like extras in Hollywood they just keep coming in waves.
 

bellascribe

Re: Better yet

From what I've seen a la "read an excerpt" -- nonfiction notwithstanding -- there's a great deal of room for revision and coming up with a ms that looks far different from the self-published version anyhow. I can't help thinking that if one went this route in the first place because s/he felt s/he had a story to tell worth telling, then it's worth re-seeing -- re-vising -- isn't it? As an editor, my experience is that often one isn't aware that s/he has not yet gotten to the heart of the story. That's one of the reasons for an editor, to help those who are too close to the writing to know that there's a distance yet to travel before there's a story for printing. The examples I've seen indicate that a good editor had yet to be consulted, so these manuscripts have yet to fulfill their promise or potential. Now, perhaps, they might, and any method that gets the author fiddling with the material again can serve as a springboard.
 

DaveKuzminski

Doing the math

Someone did the math somewhere on this or another forum on how much it cost PublishAmerica to publish a book. It was then calculated that they had to sell a certain number of books to reach the breakeven point. All I'm suggesting is that if they had to publish another 5000 authors and received no sales while still having to furnish two printed copies and a dollar to each author, that would put a significant crimp into their operations. So, if it cost X-dollars for Lightning's setup and to produce the first two books, then 5000 more authors would set them back 5000X+$5,000.

I wouldn't be surprised if they closed up before reaching that point. For all we know, they might not have the sales we're ascribing to them already. Why else would they fight so hard to discredit anyone who complains or points out their lies? After all, their operation is built on a fragile platform made of half-truths. The more weight put upon it by dissatisfied authors, the sooner it will come crashing down.
 

marky48

Re: Doing the math

I agree with the last part Dave, but I'm not sure of the math part. They're really pumping these things out, and more and more people are "getting their dollar";talking about having it framed and so on. I don't think 5 grand is enough to touch them. What do you know about the Maryland AG file on them?
 

DaveKuzminski

about that amount

It's an algebraic formula. That X represents how much it cost PublishAmerica in setup fees since they have to pay something in order to get those first two books to send to the author. Consequently, the amount would be 5000 times that X plus 5000 which represents the additional dollar they pay out.
 

marky48

Re: about that amount

No, I know that, it's just how to get anyone to sign up who won't promote themselves to the profit level for PA that's the problem. I don't know what the lightening charge is, but that Canadian company is cheap. I mean, the survey netted 7 against PA. 5000 would be a problem, for this side of the equation anyway.
 

DaveKuzminski

7 and 5000

About that part, you're right. That's one factor that's temporarily in their favor. It requires exposure and experience within their system before many individuals can recognize what we're warning them about. By then, it's too late.

For the time being, we can only hope that their staff continue to haunt the forums and oppose the facts so that a majority of writers can see for themselves just what is actually taking place over there.
 

adnerb8654

Hi,
I've got one book out, and a 2nd on the way. I wish to high heaven I wouldn't have submitted the 2nd. I didn't think they would take it and hoped it would get me out of the two book contract. But I (naive) blew it.

My idea was to find a real publisher and agent (not in that order). Can I legally make changes to the book(s) and get them out to someone else?

Bre
[email protected]
 

FM St George

tell you the truth, I think you REALLY need a lawyer's opinion on this... just to make sure that you get good strong advice that would stand up under scrutiny...

anyone have a good link to a reliable lawyer who works in this area?
 

DaveKuzminski

Have you accepted the offer on that second book? The contract you signed on the first doesn't require you to accept their offer. So, if you haven't accepted, say no, and shop it around elsewhere.
 

adnerb8654

2n contract

Dave;

I did the uh-dah, yes I signed it, even knowing I didn't want too, you know? I didn't enjoy signing it, and should have gone with my gut instinct. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To naive for my own good darn it all!
Bre:blackeye
 

FM St George

Re: 2n contract

hmm...

well, best advice I can think of is to do NOTHING to support it at all - let's see how the great PA publicity machine works when you're not out there buying copies to resell yourself or making bookmarks to spam everyone you know...

move onwards and upwards from PA as soon as you can and just let it go... as DarbyJ and myself have found.. it's hard and horrible and not easy to do, but it's got to be done.
 

DaveKuzminski

Re: 2n contract

If enough writers do nothing to sell their books to neighbors, friends, and relatives, publishers who take advantage of that as part of their current selling strategy will be forced to change how they sell and support their authors.
 

James D Macdonald

Re: 2n contract

Talk with a lawyer. It may not be too late.
 

HapiSofi

Bre said:

I've got one book out, and a 2nd on the way. I wish to high heaven I wouldn't have submitted the 2nd. I didn't think they would take it and hoped it would get me out of the two book contract. But I (naive) blew it.

My idea was to find a real publisher and agent (not in that order). Can I legally make changes to the book(s) and get them out to someone else?


Bre, the point of that excellent rant of Jim Macdonald's isn't that this is a way you can legally get your book back; it's that this is a way to get your book back, period.

Will it work? I wondered about that myself, so I showed the piece to a real in-house editor, someone who's the head of a line at a fairly major publishing house. He said it probably would. You can take that for what it's worth.

However. If you're asking about this in a public forum, I have to wonder whether you've grasped the idea. If that post is traceable to you, you've left a record of your intentions. That's not the ideal way to go about it.

Here's an idea. Have you submitted the final version of your second book to PA? We know that PA doesn't pay attention to the text of its books once they're in galleys, because they've put out books that are all one paragraph, or all one word, and you can't do that if you've so much as run your eyeballs once over the text. You could probably send them the text of Gone With the Wind as your first-pass corrections without setting off their alarms, as long as it came out the right length.

What you want to do is make all those changes suggested in the rant to the text you send back to PA. They'll publish it without looking. At that point they'll have implicitly agreed that the text you sent was acceptable, and has fulfilled the terms of your contract's option clause. You'll be off the hook, and they'll have published a work that's substantially different from your unaltered manuscript. That'll mean you can take your unaltered manuscript and send it to someone else.
 

CaoPaux

Mostly Harmless
Super Moderator
Moderator
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
14,021
Reaction score
1,883
Location
Coastal Desert
*pinging old thread for search engine*

How to get your book back from PA

Publish America Publishamerica release from contract
 

rjobrien

Free at last, free at last...



Well, I finally got my book back from PublishAmerica. This after an exchange between myself, the Maryland Better Business Bureau, and PA.


Here's what happened. Once the cover price got jacked up to 24.95 (for a 400 page book????) I refused to even mention my book to anyone let alone promote it.

PA turned around and sent a form releasing the rights back of me due to "lack of sales".

There is hope out there.

If I can convince one other PA author to do what I've done, and they in turn do the same, then soon the evil PA empire will be toppled.

I suggest to anyone looking to get out of their contract to first contact the Maryland Better Business Bureau, state your case (why your contract should be dissolved and the rights of your book released back to you), and see what happens next.

 

Renee

Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 12, 2005
Messages
1,339
Reaction score
341
Location
Texas
Website
www.reneebagley.com
rjobrien said:

Well, I finally got my book back from PublishAmerica. This after an exchange between myself, the Maryland Better Business Bureau, and PA.

Congratulations, Rjobrien! That's awesome!

:Cake:
 

HapiSofi

Hagiographically Advantaged
Super Member
Registered
Joined
Feb 16, 2005
Messages
2,093
Reaction score
677
After you've signed the contract

Let's say you've signed a contract with PA, and you sent them the text of your book, but now you just want out.

PA used to be very unwilling to let authors go. Lately they've gotten a little looser, but there's still no guarantee they'll let you back out of the deal.

First: don't fall for their guilt trips about all the time and money they've invested in you. They haven't. At most, their total resources expended on your behalf consist of a few hours of text formatting by an underpaid young lady from the school up the road, and considerably less than an hour of Quark and PhotoShop time by another of their employees. Remember, PublishAmerica has eaten up a lot of your time, too -- and that's even if you don't take into account the time it took you to write the book.

Second: PA doesn't proofread their own books. They send the text files back to the authors, and let the authors do the proofreading. We know they don't look at what comes back, because authors who've made errors in those files have had their books go to press with no paragraph breaks from start to finish, or other glaringly obvious text glitches. This is your salvation.

When your text comes back for proofreading, you're going to do a modified version of that process Jim Macdonald described in the first post of this thread. There are two differences. First, whatever the changes you make, the have to come out the same length as the original version. Second, the changes don't have to make sense. You do have to change the names, placenames, chapter titles, and other distinctive strings; but while you're at it you could run search-and-replace to swap around all instances of the words apple, sprog, linger, cheap, swain, poopy, chops, sense, and any other words that are the same length.

Even if you can't get out of your contract, you can see to it that the book that goes to press under PA's imprint is obviously not the same work as the book you submitted to them. They'll hold the rights to a work you don't want, and you can take the real book and go elsewhere.