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billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 05:27 AM
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=02ce57a7-b9b2-4af1-acb5-37cab91b7f75&entry=index


Apparently, offending Kelly Ripa and the whole of the Claynation was just warm up for Rosie O'Donnell.

The loose-lipped View master completed her alienation hat trick last Thursday, managing to offend some in the Chinese-American community with an impromptu impersonation.

O'Donnell was discussing*Danny DeVito's earlier visit to the show, in which the actor showed up drunk after a late night of Limocello-guzzling with George Clooney,*saying the incident was*blown way out of proportion by the media.

"The fact is that it's news all over the world," she said of DeVito's intoxicating appearance. "You know, you can imagine in China it's like, 'Ching chong, ching chong. Danny DeVito. Ching chong, ching chong chong. Drunk. The View. Ching chong.' "

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuTspbPmV_g

Offensive? What say you?

Personally, I'd probably cut her a little more slack if it wasn't for her holier than thou, judgemental attitude when it comes to issues important to her, like Kelly Ripa saying something I've heard my entire life, in many situations regardless of sexual orientation; "I don't know where that hand has been" and turning it into one of the most ridiculous episodes in recent memory.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 05:29 AM
It was less than classy.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 05:32 AM
It was less than classy.

I think that's fair.

Not in the most egregiously offensive episodes of all time a'la Michael Richards, but "less than classy" for sure.

dclary
12-12-2006, 05:47 AM
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=02ce57a7-b9b2-4af1-acb5-37cab91b7f75&entry=index



http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuTspbPmV_g

Offensive? What say you?

Personally, I'd probably cut her a little more slack if it wasn't for her holier than thou, judgemental attitude when it comes to issues important to her, like Kelly Ripa saying something I've heard my entire life, in many situations regardless of sexual orientation; "I don't know where that hand has been" and turning it into one of the most ridiculous episodes in recent memory.


LOLOLOLOL. That's actually HILARIOUS (if you're me. But I'm not asian.)

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 05:52 AM
LOLOLOLOL. That's actually HILARIOUS (if you're me. But I'm not asian.)

I have a feeling this version might have been made by an Asian. I can't say I don't enjoy the tagline at the end. It says it all as far as I'm concerned regarding the hypocrisy that is Rosie.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mzPBk1p37Zw&mode=related&search=

maestrowork
12-12-2006, 05:53 AM
Not funny.

What if I say, "Somewhere in Texas" and proceed to make baboon noises?

Sorry, Rosie, you screwed up.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 05:54 AM
Not funny.

What if I say, "Somewhere in Texas" and proceed to make baboon noises?

Sorry, Rosie, you screwed up.

Lock thread.

Bartholomew
12-12-2006, 05:59 AM
What if I say, "Somewhere in Texas" and proceed to make baboon noises?


Well, I'd laugh...

dclary
12-12-2006, 06:00 AM
Not funny.

What if I say, "Somewhere in Texas" and proceed to make baboon noises?

Sorry, Rosie, you screwed up.

Maestro, I have to disagree with you here, because if someone wants to joke about what folks are saying in a different language, and you don't speak that language, you have to simulate it.

And if you're a comedian, and need to simulate it, you might as well simulate it humorously, and get a double whammy joke in there. Many of my Korean friends agree, if you want to make fun of the chinese language, you say "Ching chong! Ching ching chong!"

"Good god! Is he choking to death?!?! No! He's speaking French!" -- Steve Martin, Wild and Crazy Guy Album

"Howdy. Howdy. Howdy." -- Cows pretending to be Cowboys, Gary Larson, Far Side



There's no offense meant here. It's just another example of over-sensitivism nuking a comedian for something that used to be (and oughta still be) considered funny.

Opty
12-12-2006, 06:04 AM
Wow, I actually kind of agree with Dave.

Time to put my tin-foil hat back on.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 06:07 AM
Quite frankly, regardless of whether this was offensive or should be offensive to Asian or not or to what levels our Rosie can be a hypocrit...

Rosie is supposedly a world class comedian.

I haven't seen a "Ching chong ching" bit like that since I was in the third grade or so.

Since I can't be offended as an Asian, I'm pretty sure I'm offended as a comedy writer.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 06:07 AM
Ching chong doesn't even roughly approach the sound of Chinese or pretty much any Asian language, it is however what arsehats in my neighbourhood typically chanted while harassing and terrifying immigrants from Laos and the Phillipines, traditionally whilst doing that hilarious thing where you pull your eyelids to the side to "simulate" Asian appearance. It has gone the way of blackface and the big rubber Jew-nose as a comedy staple.

dclary
12-12-2006, 06:09 AM
The origin of the phrase is not known with certainty. However, since syllables sounding like what an English speaker would pronounce as "ching" or "chong" are relatively common in Cantonese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantonese_%28linguistics%29), the expression is likely an attempt to mock Chinese speech patterns.
One possible origin of the word is that of a bastardization of the Chinese Noun Chin Chow, (清朝) which literally translates as "Ching Dynasty." The prevalant usage of this insult began during the gold-rush eras of 18th Century in Ballarat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballarat), Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), when the Chinese gold-prospectors were of Ching Dynasty origin.
Sometimes "ching chong" is combined with "Chinaman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman);" the combination is often used in nursery-style rhymes, such as:

Ching Chong Chinaman sitting on a fence
Trying to make a dollar out of fifteen cents.
Along came a choo-choo train,
Knocked him in the cuckoo-brain,
And that was the end of the fifteen cents.

dclary
12-12-2006, 06:11 AM
LOL... I love this bit of Ching Chong history:


In December 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2002), the term gained international notoriety when National Basketball Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) star Shaquille O'Neal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaquille_O%27Neal) directed it, apparently in jest, at fellow NBA star and Chinese immigrant Yao Ming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yao_Ming), during an interview on Fox Sports Radio. O'Neal was quoted as saying, "You tell Yao Ming, 'Ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh.'" Yao Ming responded with: "Chinese is a hard language to learn."

dclary
12-12-2006, 06:12 AM
Ching chong doesn't even roughly approach the sound of Chinese or pretty much any Asian language, it is however what arsehats in my neighbourhood typically chanted while harassing and terrifying immigrants from Laos and the Phillipines, traditionally whilst doing that hilarious thing where you pull your eyelids to the side to "simulate" Asian appearance. It has gone the way of blackface and the big rubber Jew-nose as a comedy staple.

As will all comedy, if the Sensitives continue to make policy.

maestrowork
12-12-2006, 06:21 AM
Sorry Dave, Ching Chong simply does not sound like Chinese. It's a mockery. And Rosie O'Donnell should know better, and so should you.

It's no different than going up to a Spanish or Latino person and say, "macaca mama la caca sasa" or to a Japanese and say, "solly solly me speekie no engrish" -- stereotypes and mockery are not funny.

Like Billy says, she calls herself a world-class comedian but proceeds to make a stereotypical joke like that about another race. I, as an Asian-American, definitely do not find it funny.

Do you have a problem with that?

Tiger
12-12-2006, 06:25 AM
I've noted that people who are used to taking offense often say the stupidest things--perhaps because they're not used to being the ones having to watch their language.

maestrowork
12-12-2006, 06:25 AM
And I find it offensive that a non-Asian is telling an Asian "you're too sensitive."

OneTeam OneDream
12-12-2006, 06:29 AM
but just imagine how tough it is being a straight white male in this country...

Tiger
12-12-2006, 06:40 AM
As will all comedy, if the Sensitives continue to make policy.

I'm sorry, but where exactly was Rosie performing when she made her joke? I don't care if she's a comedian, she wasn't doing comedy at the time.

I'm not Chinese, yet I still got taunted with the same crap when I was a kid. It didn't matter to the boys and girls doing the taunting whether or not they understood the etiology or the history of the phrase. They didn't care whether such phonetic humor was even appropriate to use on a Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or other kid. There was nothing good-natured about it.

Do I think Rosie O'Donnel should be arrested for using such language? No. Do I think such speech should be banned? No. I do think however that she should eat the criticism she gets for it--because she does serve up quite a bit of her own.

-Dean

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 06:50 AM
I do think however that she should eat the criticism she gets for it--because she does serve up quite a bit of her own.


Well said.

But she isn't.

She doesn't feel she did anything wrong, but has no problem calling out Kelly Ripa for a benign "I don't know where that hand has been" statement.


Cindi Berger, publicist for*O'Donnell said, "She's a comedian in addition to being a talk show co-host. I certainly hope that one day they will be able to grasp her humor."

I think they grasped it, dope, but they didn't find it funny. Oh, they GOT IT.
Like I said, "ching chong ching" is elementary school level comedy. That's why it would probably bother me, although I can't say for sure, if I was Asian American. I'd probably been hearing that routine for about 30 years and having flashbacks to the playground and bus.

And then on her blog...


why did you think it was alright to mock Chinese people and the language on The View

it was not my intent to mock
just to say how odd it is
that danny drunk
was news all over the world
even in china

it was not meant to mock

Not meant to mock?

Well, I don't get that statement at all.

Thank you.

maestrowork
12-12-2006, 06:58 AM
Exactly, Billy. That's old nasty stuff left over from a long time ago and every Asian-American boy or girl has grown up listening to that crap. So it's really not funny. It brings out a very sad, nasty history. Saying "Ching Chong Ching" is mocking. Sorry, Rosie.

Opty
12-12-2006, 07:10 AM
stereotypes and mockery are not funny.

Boy, somebody should tell that to:

Chris Rock
Jeff Foxworthy
Jerry Seinfeld
Eddie Murphy
Richard Pryor
Cedric "The Entertainer"
Dave Chapelle
Larry "The Cable Guy"
etc.
etc.
etc...


Much, if not most, of comedy plays on stereotypes.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you (within the context of situations like those addressed in the "Language or Intent?" thread) but that one unqualified overgeneralization just sticks out to me like a sore thumb for some reason.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 07:17 AM
but just imagine how tough it is being a straight white male in this country...

Do you watch the comedy channel? It still looks about 85% straight white men to me.

maestrowork
12-12-2006, 07:26 AM
Chris Rock
Jeff Foxworthy
Jerry Seinfeld
Eddie Murphy
Richard Pryor
Cedric "The Entertainer"
Dave Chapelle
Larry "The Cable Guy"
etc.
etc.
etc...

Hmmm, there's a reason why I didn't find any of them, except for Pryor, funny as standup comedians when they mocked others.

The problem is, these guys mock themselves, much like Margaret Cho doing Asian jokes to mock herself. It's fair game and that's funny. You don't see Richard Pryor telling racist white jokes or Jeff Foxworthy telling Jews joke.

OneTeam OneDream
12-12-2006, 07:28 AM
Do you watch the comedy channel? It still looks about 85% straight white men to me.


#1. Yeah, I was making a joke in an attempt to lighten things up.


#2. Which comedy channel do you watch?

MattW
12-12-2006, 07:30 AM
Rosie is the darling of the militant peacenick feminist gay left, a double standard must apply! She's sensitive to some issues!

Her causes of choice are defense of perceived insult to Clay Aiken, anti-gun rants, and equating Christianity to extremist Islam.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 07:32 AM
I am irony-impaired, coming from New Zealand this is a serious disability. I have less trouble here in Indiana. I don't know about the channel, it sas 'comedy channel' in the corner. Sometimes that they only way I can tell. I don't get *a lot* of the references.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 07:33 AM
"Rosie is the darling of the militant peacenick femisist gay left"

I must have missed that newsletter. She always irritated the cr*p outta me.

MattW
12-12-2006, 07:45 AM
"Rosie is the darling of the militant peacenick femisist gay left"

I must have missed that newsletter. She always irritated the cr*p outta me.She gets away with saying things about half as ignorant as Michael Richards, but is legitimized by doing it on a pseudo-journalistic venue.

She is defended for her honesty and candor because of the targets of her criticism, or because she herself is openly gay and therefore unable to be criticized by many liberals.

She annoyed with her pre-outing, Tom Cruise crush. Weird attracts weird.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 07:48 AM
In my own queery-lefty circles she gets plenty of ridicule. I mean really, The View.

MattW
12-12-2006, 07:55 AM
In my own queery-lefty circles she gets plenty of ridicule. I mean really, The View.That's a relief. Carry on with your sinful, communist, tree-hugging ways. ;)

Alan Yee
12-12-2006, 08:02 AM
Carry on with your sinful, communist, tree-hugging ways.

I hope that was a joke. Really. Because I don't find it funny.

*shuts up*

veinglory
12-12-2006, 08:04 AM
That's fine, I actually am sinful, socialist at least and in a long-term domestic partnership with a ficus.

MattW
12-12-2006, 08:11 AM
I hope that was a joke. Really. Because I don't find it funny.

*shuts up*It was. I added the requisite "winky" to denote facetious intent.

MattW
12-12-2006, 08:13 AM
That's fine, I actually am sinful, socialist at least and in a long-term domestic partnership with a ficus.Botano-monogomy is the only way to make sure you don't contract Dutch Elm Disease.

veinglory
12-12-2006, 08:16 AM
Of course even working out whether this is a homosexual relationship is quite tricky (http://waynesword.palomar.edu/pljun99b.htm).

MattW
12-12-2006, 08:19 AM
Ficus gender issues aren't going to get anyone banned.

Alan Yee
12-12-2006, 08:22 AM
It was. I added the requisite "winky" to denote facetious intent.

Okay. No problem. :)

Peggy
12-12-2006, 08:32 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WuTspbPmV_g

Offensive? What say you? That is pretty unfunny. Which brings up a more important question - what kind of drugs do they give the people in the studio audience? They weren't just laughing, there was a smattering of applause at the end.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 08:47 AM
That is pretty unfunny. Which brings up a more important question - what kind of drugs do they give the people in the studio audience? They weren't just laughing, there was a smattering of applause at the end.

I doubt the smattering came from anyone Asian...

dclary
12-12-2006, 08:55 AM
Sorry Dave, Ching Chong simply does not sound like Chinese. It's a mockery. And Rosie O'Donnell should know better, and so should you.

It's no different than going up to a Spanish or Latino person and say, "macaca mama la caca sasa" or to a Japanese and say, "solly solly me speekie no engrish" -- stereotypes and mockery are not funny.

Like Billy says, she calls herself a world-class comedian but proceeds to make a stereotypical joke like that about another race. I, as an Asian-American, definitely do not find it funny.

Do you have a problem with that?

Of course not. I think the world would be a better place if we could be free to insult each other equally and enjoy the humor of barbed comedy, but I won't begrudge anyone else their opinion either.

dclary
12-12-2006, 08:57 AM
I'm sorry, but where exactly was Rosie performing when she made her joke? I don't care if she's a comedian, she wasn't doing comedy at the time.

-Dean

She's a professional comedian. she's "always on." Not only that, but she was doing a television show for which, it would be assumed, she got hired to "be funny."

dclary
12-12-2006, 08:58 AM
Maestro, I have to add from your first reply to me that the wiki article I quoted seemed to infer that chingchong DOES sound like cantonese. Maybe you're more familiar with mandarin? I don't know. I'm just quoting someone else there.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 09:16 AM
Well said.

But she isn't.

She doesn't feel she did anything wrong, but has no problem calling out Kelly Ripa for a benign "I don't know where that hand has been" statement.



I think they grasped it, dope, but they didn't find it funny. Oh, they GOT IT.
Like I said, "ching chong ching" is elementary school level comedy. That's why it would probably bother me, although I can't say for sure, if I was Asian American. I'd probably been hearing that routine for about 30 years and having flashbacks to the playground and bus.

And then on her blog...



Not meant to mock?

Well, I don't get that statement at all.

Thank you.

I love it: the old, "you don't think it's funny because your sense of humor isn't evolved enough" line. Well, hey, maybe I'll luck out and be accepted as a disciple of a caucasian comic who will teach me the real essence of humor.

For what it's worth, I don't get offended at ethnic humor, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor and the rest diss Asians, whites and blacks all the time and I do get the joke. Fact is that the rest of those guys know they're just observers. They know they are comedians and that they're expected to kid people. Rosie doesn't do that anymore and Barbara Walters, et. al. never did.

Rosie was not doing a stand up routine when she did her "ching chong" thing, and that makes a world of difference to me. She wasn't even talking about Asians, she was ranting about Danny DeVito and never stopped to consider that she might be offending someone who's not white, black, gay, Brady Biller--or any of the people she cares about.

"Practice what you preach" seems appropriate here.

-Dean

Alan Yee
12-12-2006, 09:27 AM
I'm half-Chinese on my dad's side. Though I don't speak Cantonese, I've heard my dad, aunt, and grandparents speak it often enough to know what it sounds like. And, uh, I don't think they ever use the syllables "ching chong" all at once. The syllable "chong" might appear by itself. I've seen it used as the first part of a given name, like in Chong You.

But, I'm still not totally clear on what Mandarin sounds like. I don't hear it often enough to notice specific differences.

But then again, what do I know? I don't actually speak either dialect, though I'll probably learn Cantonese eventually.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 09:28 AM
She's a professional comedian. she's "always on." Not only that, but she was doing a television show for which, it would be assumed, she got hired to "be funny."

Gee, she was hilarious when Tom Selleck appeared on her show. I wonder if he--or any of the other NRA--guys might have missed the joke...? Lighten up, guys, that lousy duck season must've ruined your sense of humor!

She's obviously trying to be something a bit more than a professional comedian these days. She's got no one but herself to blame if she's being treated as such.

-Dean

dclary
12-12-2006, 09:30 AM
Gee, she was hilarious when Tom Selleck appeared on her show. I wonder if he--or any of the other NRA--guys might have missed the joke...? Lighten up, guys, that lousy duck season must've ruined your sense of humor!

She's obviously trying to be something a bit more than a professional comedian these days. She's got no one but herself to blame if she's being treated as such.

-Dean

Hey, I never said she was funny. Just that she was a comedian.

Steve Martin once said "Comedy is an agreement between you and your audience that you actually are funny."

If Rosie finds herself in a position where her audience doesn't agree with her on what's funny, she'll either have to change her act, or go the way of the charles nelson rileys of the world.

dclary
12-12-2006, 09:32 AM
When the Sensitives came for ethnic jokes
I remained silent;
I didn't tell ethnic jokes.

When they locked up blackpaint and jew noses
I remained silent;
I did not do racial comedy.

When they came for the socially insensitive,
I did not speak out;
My comedy is reflective.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 09:33 AM
but just imagine how tough it is being a straight white male in this country...

My heart bleeds for ye...

Tiger
12-12-2006, 09:46 AM
Hey, I never said she was funny. Just that she was a comedian.

...And I said that she's trying to be something more than a comedian.


If Rosie finds herself in a position where her audience doesn't agree with her on what's funny, she'll either have to change her act, or go the way of the charle nelson rileys of the world.

I was being faceitious about the Tom Selleck episode. She wasn't trying to be funny, and that's the point I'm trying to make. When someone starts ranting national television for the purpose of pushing political viewpoints, regularly, she is not working as a comedian. If she wants to put herself in a spokesperson's position, or a political advocate's, she can no longer simply fall back on the "well, I was a comedian trying to be funny" line.

-Dean

dclary
12-12-2006, 09:57 AM
When someone starts ranting national television for the purpose of pushing political viewpoints, regularly, she is not working as a comedian.

Dennis Miller is weeping.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 09:57 AM
There's nothing Howard Stern said that ever offended me or that I really think should offend anyone because that's what Howard Stern does. He's a satirist and he's offensive to everyone and everything including himself.

Rosie O'Donnell, on the other hand, is whining one week about Kelly Ripa and then doing a ching chong bit the next week.

Rosie O'Donnell is just a hypocrit.

God forbid anyone say anything that she deems to be homophobic. You will encounter the full wrath of Rosie.

And then she goes out and does something that could and has, regardless of whether it should, offended the Asian community and then has her publicist say "You don't grasp her humor" instead of saying "Sorry."

To me this thread isn't about over sensitivity. It's about raging hypocrisy.

Thank you.

dclary
12-12-2006, 09:58 AM
Each year Billy and I choose by random selection a few topics on which to disagree, to help dispell the myths that we are indeed nanite-enhanced clones of each other.

This is one such topic.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 10:01 AM
Each year Billy and I choose by random selection a few topics on which to disagree, to help dispell the myths that we are indeed nanite-enhanced clones of each other.

This is one such topic.

Nothing like a bit of light banter about an ethnic group to which one doesn't belong, what?

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 10:02 AM
Each year Billy and I choose by random selection a few topics on which to disagree, to help dispell the myths that we are indeed nanite-enhanced clones of each other.

This is one such topic.

Exactly.
:)

But sadly, we are not disagreeing really.

You know, I agree with you 100%, 98-100% about over sensitivity.

Rosie O'Donnell is a hypocrit. That's my major issue with this entire incident.

There's no disagreeing with that.

So, we're in perfect agreement.

Thank you.

ETA: But on the issue of over sensitivity, I can see why this stupid, bottom of the comedy totem pole they've had to listen to it for their entire life incident would bother Asian-Americans.

Maybe if it was funny!! A new take on something Asian, they'd laugh.

But I have a special sensitivity to things that may have happened to you when you were a child that went on for years and years and years over some random new joke about an ethnicity or something. Nothing anyone has ever said about my ethnic backrground that was a joke or flat out offensive has ever offended me personally. But the offensive ones mostly happened when I was an adult, and I just didn't really care. The jokes, I don't care...But if there was some stereotypical thing that I was abused about and made fun of from when I was a little kid and heard for years and years, and it wasn't even GOOD COMEDY, at some point I might be like...."That's just enough of that already." But I can't tell for sure.

Like I said, I don't think Rosie's thing rises anywhere near Mel gibson or Michael Richards, but I can see why an Asian would jsut be really annoyed with the ching chong thing already.

That's all.

Thank you.

dclary
12-12-2006, 10:03 AM
Exactly. And Chingchong, while perfectly acceptable... loses its funny when you're about... 12. So you're right on target yourself. Rosie oughta be funnier than that.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 10:13 AM
Yes, better material makes for less offensive banter IMO.

And don't condemn others for what you deem to be offensive language and then do something that others could deem to be offensive.

And if you do, APOLOGIZE!!! How dare you attack Kelly Ripa two weeks ago and then do this and then say "You dont get my comedy." Kelly Ripa was joking too!! I guess you don't get Kelly Ripa's comedy!!!

ROSIE!!!!!! ARE YOU NUTS?!

LOL...

ALright.

thank you.

billythrilly7th
12-12-2006, 10:23 AM
I think Councilman Liu said it best....

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-nyliu115011643dec11,0,3260744.story?coll=ny-television-print


Queens City Councilman John Liu has sent a letter to Barbara Walters, co-owner, producer and host of "The View," blasting Rosie O'Donnell's mimicking of the Chinese language last week on the popular daytime talk show.

The letter, dated Dec. 9, said O'Donnell's remarks "hits a raw nerve in our community."

Liu said the broadcast made him "cringe."

"It's so repulsive ... that it's absurd," he said yesterday. "Coming from someone who herself has been indignant when she has felt that certain comments insult a community."


This is the liberal, P.C. police equivalent of a Gay Pastor scandal on the right.

I can't take the hypocrisy of the human beast any longer!!!!!!!

Thank you.

dclary
12-12-2006, 10:27 AM
Yeah, you know what Billy, I'm gonna go with you on that. Maybe someone else could have done this, and it would have been funny. But Rosie is very intolerant of jokes that insult her and her kind (roundish indistinctly shaped womanish people)... she's got no right to get all indignant, and then be the same way to another group without expecting the same repercussions.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 10:27 AM
Exactly. And Chingchong, while perfectly acceptable... loses its funny when you're about... 12. So you're right on target yourself. Rosie oughta be funnier than that.

I won't bite... That's a worm.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 12:25 PM
But, I'm still not totally clear on what Mandarin sounds like. I don't hear it often enough to notice specific differences.

Watch "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon." Nice-sounding language.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 12:27 PM
Yeah, you know what Billy, I'm gonna go with you on that. Maybe someone else could have done this, and it would have been funny. But Rosie is very intolerant of jokes that insult her and her kind (roundish indistinctly shaped womanish people)... she's got no right to get all indignant, and then be the same way to another group without expecting the same repercussions.

I agree with this.

-Dean

blacbird
12-12-2006, 01:25 PM
Rosie is supposedly a world class comedian.



Eh? Not. Never. Never ever. Not even close. Except close to unwatchable.

caw

J. Weiland
12-12-2006, 02:16 PM
Okay, I watched the clip.

Does anyone else know a chubby lesbian woman who is funny, 'cause this one sure is not.

As comic bok guy would have said it: "worst impression of a chinese person...ever." Like me he would have watched the entire clip without flinching a single face-muscle.

Wouldn't the correct response be just to ignore her? She sure isn't worth all the attention, in my opinion.

trumancoyote
12-12-2006, 05:34 PM
Yeah, so that doesn't sound like either Mandarin or Cantonese. I can't imagine where it came from.

And though it may be terrible of me, I'm still mildly entertained by the "Me Chinese, me pray joke, me put pee-pee in your Coke" bit.

I'm not proud of it. But I'll be honest and say I still giggle when I hear it.
:(

Tiger
12-12-2006, 10:51 PM
Okay, I watched the clip.

Does anyone else know a chubby lesbian woman who is funny, 'cause this one sure is not.

As comic bok guy would have said it: "worst impression of a chinese person...ever." Like me he would have watched the entire clip without flinching a single face-muscle.

Wouldn't the correct response be just to ignore her? She sure isn't worth all the attention, in my opinion.

"Offensive to Asians...? What say you?"

Let me be clear: I'm responding to the question posed at the start of the thread and the ensuing comments; not to Rosie O'Donnell.

I don't give a rat's other cheek if what she said sounds like Chinese or not--or whether or not it was funny--because that "ching chong" thing is never said to me by other people as a joke, but as a fight-starter. Apparently others feel even more strongly that way and now she's got a fight.

I wouldn't go out of my way to make a stink about her performance on "The View," but, hey, she's placed her own foot into that big steaming pile, and I may now smugly watch her attempts at convincing the world that what she stepped into was only an Asian perception of sh!t.

-Dean

Tiger
12-12-2006, 10:59 PM
Yeah, so that doesn't sound like either Mandarin or Cantonese. I can't imagine where it came from.

And though it may be terrible of me, I'm still mildly entertained by the "Me Chinese, me pray joke, me put pee-pee in your Coke" bit.

I'm not proud of it. But I'll be honest and say I still giggle when I hear it.
:(

It came from a bunch of white kids sticking their front teeth out and pulling up the corners of their eyes.

Enjoy your salty Coke.

TheGaffer
12-12-2006, 11:14 PM
Personally, I'd probably cut her a little more slack if it wasn't for her holier than thou, judgemental attitude when it comes to issues important to her, like Kelly Ripa saying something I've heard my entire life, in many situations regardless of sexual orientation; "I don't know where that hand has been" and turning it into one of the most ridiculous episodes in recent memory.

Agreed.


Cindi Berger, publicist for*O'Donnell said, "She's a comedian in addition to being a talk show co-host. I certainly hope that one day they will be able to grasp her humor."

And this is the same defense Ann Coulter uses when she says the NYT building should be bombed, or that all Muslims smell bad. That we just don't "get" her edgy humor.

Context, inflection, intonation and how you express yourself -- and a whole load of other things -- figure in here. But the key fact is, it wasn't funny. It's not funny. And if the best you can do is fall back on saying "don't be sensitive," well, the joke is lacking. I agree with Thrilly!

Opty
12-12-2006, 11:32 PM
I love it: the old, "you don't think it's funny because your sense of humor isn't evolved enough" line. Well, hey, maybe I'll luck out and be accepted as a disciple of a caucasian comic who will teach me the real essence of humor.

Please don't be so illogical as to marginalize this issue into being a "white only" issue or a faux pau that "only whites" commit.

This is an issue of one person trying to be funny, and failing miserably, by making an insensitive comment about another group of people.

Members of EVERY group (be it ethnic, gender, religious, sports fans, etc.) are guilty of this.

It is certainly NOT a "whitey makes another racial slur against some poor, innocent ethnic group."

Please tell me you're smarter than that. If not, then I'll take your jabs at caucasians (hypocritical) as just as insulting as you took Rosie's comments.


For what it's worth, I don't get offended at ethnic humor, Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor and the rest diss Asians, whites and blacks all the time and I do get the joke. Fact is that the rest of those guys know they're just observers. They know they are comedians and that they're expected to kid people. Rosie doesn't do that anymore and Barbara Walters, et. al. never did.

Rosie was not doing a stand up routine when she did her "ching chong" thing, and that makes a world of difference to me.

So, you're saying it's a question of context? I totally agree with that. I can't speak for dclary, but that sounds close to what he was saying. But, it seems he views the context differently than you and I do.


"Practice what you preach" seems appropriate here.

See: "caucasian comic" comment above.

TheGaffer
12-12-2006, 11:36 PM
Much, if not most, of comedy plays on stereotypes.

Context is everything. See below.


The problem is, these guys mock themselves, much like Margaret Cho doing Asian jokes to mock herself. It's fair game and that's funny. You don't see Richard Pryor telling racist white jokes or Jeff Foxworthy telling Jews joke.

Exactly. Often the kind of edgy humor you see people engage in about race involves people mocking their own race. Chris Rock has a hilarious and somewhat frightening routine about how "I love black people, but I hate n*****rs. Whenever black people do something good, n*****rs gotta come along and f*** it up."

Probably offensive, and definitely on the knife's edge, surely, but if I were to do the same routine, I'd get beaten up behind the comedy club later that night, and I'd deserve it. A lot of it has to do with how you mock someone, and whether what you're doing is a gentle poke in the ribs to acknowledge societal stereotypes and prejudices (as well as your own) or whether you're just being out-and-out hateful. Carlos Mencia comes close to this line a lot by going after mentally disabled people but hammers himself in the process. Lisa Lampanelli bemoans the black men who are dating thin Asian women and hot blondes these days, because "you forget where you came from -- dating fat white chicks!" (Meaning her, of course.) There's a fine line, and straight-forward name-calling crosses it, as this does. Making yourself the butt of the joke often blunts a lot of the ire you'd draw from other people.


Eddie Murphy, Richard Pryor and the rest diss Asians, whites and blacks all the time and I do get the joke.

But the context is still everything. If they said, "All white people wanna do is hang black people," they wouldn't have the laughs.

Tiger
12-12-2006, 11:59 PM
Doc:

I agree that it would be illogical of me to call this a whites only faux pas. I never did, and I never would take that view.

Cindi Berger, publicist for*O'Donnell said, "She's a comedian in addition to being a talk show co-host. I certainly hope that one day they will be able to grasp her humor."

This is what I was responding to. It is NEVER my intent to call any racial issue a whites only problem. If anything, caucasians have to watch themselves more closely than others. I've also mentioned on several other posts that I've heard worse crap from Asians.

What this publicist said was that what got said was a joke and that "they" just didn't get. It was a patronizing comment tantamount to saying that the people who got offended did so because they were ignorant.

Eddie Murphey's publicist had said the same thing, I still would not have called it a whites only problem.

Opty
12-13-2006, 12:10 AM
What this publicist said was that what got said was a joke and that "they" just didn't get. It was a patronizing comment tantamount to saying that the people who got offended did so because they were ignorant.

I know, I get that part. But...


Eddie Murphey's publicist had said the same thing, I still would not have called it a whites only problem.

Had that happened, would you have said "maybe I'll luck out and be accepted as a disciple of a black comic who will teach me the real essence of humor?"

Tiger
12-13-2006, 12:46 AM
I know, I get that part. But...



Had that happened, would you have said "maybe I'll luck out and be accepted as a disciple of a black comic who will teach me the real essence of humor?"

Yes

Tiger
12-13-2006, 02:08 AM
"white only" issue or a faux pau that "only whites" commit.

"whitey makes another racial slur against some poor, innocent ethnic group."



You are putting quotation marks around things that were neither stated nor suggested by me here, but your concerns deserve a better answer than a quick quip. I think we probably agree on most things but have simply gotten off on the wrong foot.

I never singled out and criticized white people as a group (well, perhaps that bit about the white kids and the funny faces re the origin of "ching chong")
I criticized Rosie O’Donnell for being a hypocrite, and her publicist for being patronizing
I wouldn’t even say that I was personally offended by Rosie’s "ching chong" thing. I was answering the question of whether or not that kind of language is offensive to Asians—which it is
I don’t think Rosie O’Donnell is a racist and I certainly don’t consider the whole hodgepodge of Caucasian people to be any one thing or the other
Asians are no more innocent than any other ethnic group in this country, and are probably more guilty than some.

MajorDrums
12-13-2006, 04:50 AM
Context is everything. See below.



Exactly. Often the kind of edgy humor you see people engage in about race involves people mocking their own race. Chris Rock has a hilarious and somewhat frightening routine about how "I love black people, but I hate n*****rs. Whenever black people do something good, n*****rs gotta come along and f*** it up."

Probably offensive, and definitely on the knife's edge, surely, but if I were to do the same routine, I'd get beaten up behind the comedy club later that night, and I'd deserve it. A lot of it has to do with how you mock someone, and whether what you're doing is a gentle poke in the ribs to acknowledge societal stereotypes and prejudices (as well as your own) or whether you're just being out-and-out hateful. Carlos Mencia comes close to this line a lot by going after mentally disabled people but hammers himself in the process. Lisa Lampanelli bemoans the black men who are dating thin Asian women and hot blondes these days, because "you forget where you came from -- dating fat white chicks!" (Meaning her, of course.) There's a fine line, and straight-forward name-calling crosses it, as this does. Making yourself the butt of the joke often blunts a lot of the ire you'd draw from other people.



But the context is still everything. If they said, "All white people wanna do is hang black people," they wouldn't have the laughs.

Well said.

Bravo
12-14-2006, 10:41 PM
Rosie is such a friggin' hypocrite all we can do is laugh:


"This apparently was very offensive to a lot of Asian people. So I asked Judy, who's Asian and works here in our hair and makeup department. I said, 'Was it offensive to you?' And she said, 'Well, kinda. When I was a kid people did tease me by saying ching-chong.' So apparently 'ching-chong,' unbeknownst to me, is a very offensive way to make fun, quote-unquote, or mock, Asian accents. Some people have told me it's as bad as the n-word. I was like, really? I didn't know that."

:rolleyes:

Yeah, after 40-odd years of her life, she never heard this "joke" before, and never saw asians offended by it.

:rolleyes:

And I love how "Judy" her makeup artist, is the final arbitrator of this. When the Asian American Community complained about the offensive nature of it, she basically told them to shove it and get a sense of humor.



"O'Donnell said that her joke was "never intended to hurt anyone, and I'm sorry for those people who felt hurt or were teased on the playground," but added that in the future, "there's a good chance that I'll do something like that again ... Not on purpose."

Well, hopefully she remembers that the next time she gets on her high horse and attacks others for jokes that she finds offensive.

What a friggin moron.

dclary
12-14-2006, 10:52 PM
Rosie is such a friggin' hypocrite all we can do is laugh:



:rolleyes:

Yeah, after 40-odd years of her life, she never heard this "joke" before, and never saw asians offended by it.

:rolleyes:

And I love how "Judy" her makeup artist, is the final arbitrator of this. When the Asian American Community complained about the offensive nature of it, she basically told them to shove it and get a sense of humor.




Well, hopefully she remembers that the next time she gets on her high horse and attacks others for jokes that she finds offensive.

What a friggin moron.

Bravo, I am reading this and wondering where your head is at, because I'm not sure. It seems to me that you're only interested in continuing to bash Rosie, despite the fact that she's come forward, admitted she was wrong, admitted that she was ignorant, and admitted she did her own research above and beyond the media's attack to determine the extent of her mistake.

It's awful difficult to see you blast her with moron and hypocrite slams for an apology.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:02 PM
It's awful difficult to see you blast her with moron and hypocrite slams for an apology.

I think Bravo's problem with this "apology" is how it's cloaked in the ":Shrug:" of "that was offensive?"

And her apology took about nine days, NINE(Bueller) to be begrudgingly yanked out of her.

And still she didn't really take responsibility for her actions...

"I didn't know, but now that I do, I'm sorry."

Friggin Rosie.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:03 PM
Well, hopefully she remembers that the next time she gets on her high horse and attacks others for jokes that she finds offensive.

She's lost all moral authority for that little game she loves to play.

dclary
12-14-2006, 11:10 PM
I think Bravo's problem with this "apology" is how it's cloaked in the ":Shrug:" of "that was offensive?"

And her apology took about nine days, NINE(Bueller) to be begrudgingly yanked out of her.

And still she didn't really take responsibility for her actions...

"I didn't know, but now that I do, I'm sorry."

Friggin Rosie.

I hear what you're saying, Billy. Too little, too late, and all that. I guess it's either my impending Four-Zero coming up (in several years...) or the holiday season, or something. I'm just more willing to forgive someone when they ask for it. I'm more willing to accept an apology when it's given. There's so much hate, so many grudges, so much bad blood in the water, any little thing I can do to staunch that flow I'm willing to do.

Rosie made a mistake. That doesn't mean I should stand on her throat and remind her of it for the rest of her life.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:14 PM
I agree.

I am thankful that she finally apologized.

I always forgive a sincere apology.

I have a little trouble forgiving a "like pulling teeth" apology.

But I'm glad she did.

And we can now put this ugly incident to rest as far as I'm concerned.

Tiger
12-14-2006, 11:17 PM
I agree. To me, it wasn't her original comments that bothered me, so much as her reaction to the criticism that followed.

Peace, everybody.

jst5150
12-14-2006, 11:21 PM
And when it happens again, then what? And when it's played again and again and again on YouTube by everyone who thought it was funny, then what? And as people are giggling and laughing at Chappelle Show comedy that rode the highest wave because of that exact same premise, then what?

For give the incident; remember the resonance. It never, ever fades.

v/r, jt

dclary
12-14-2006, 11:24 PM
And when it happens again, then what? And when it's played again and again and again on YouTube by everyone who thought it was funny, then what? And as people are giggling and laughing at Chappelle Show comedy that rode the highest wave because of that exact same premise, then what?

For give the incident; remember the resonance. It never, ever fades.

v/r, jt

I hear what you're saying. I'm saying that it ought to, and that I will not be a resonator.

jst5150
12-14-2006, 11:28 PM
It's a resonator because every race has thousands of years of collective memory to draw from and thousands of misdeeds done by others from which to play against. Whether smashed in battle, persecuted by torture or enslaved for cheap labor, or simply slayed because of their skin color.

Rosie IS the echo. She IS the resonance. Calling her a hypocrit is like being mad at pencils for having graphite instead of lead. She's an echo.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:30 PM
I agree. To me, it wasn't her original comments that bothered me, so much as her reaction to the criticism that followed.


Exactly.

She comes out the next day and says..

"On yesterday's show, I made a mistake. I made fun of Asian people and their dialect and although it wasn't my intention to offend anyone, I did. For that, I offer my sincere apology. As someone who has been the target of and often speaks out against hateful words, I should have more sensitivity when it comes to issues like this and for that I apologize as well."
(written by Thrilly Public Realtions: We Put the "CON" in Damage Control)


If I was Asian, "Thank you for the apology, Rosie. Let's move on."

jst5150
12-14-2006, 11:34 PM
"Thank you for the apology, Rosie. Let's move on."
Because those 69 words have wiped her clean! The river Tigris has, itself, cleansed Rosie and she will never, ever let that bile loose again. Quickly -- for everyone -- that's the solution! You can still be venomous, just be sure you have the 69 words of redemption handy soon after. Wait six months. Repeat.

Worked for Strom Thurmond.

dclary
12-14-2006, 11:36 PM
I'm trying to figure out if you are being serious or sarcastic, and if sarcastic, then at what, JST.

Come on, you can admit it... You're dying to just lash out with a big fat "Hey, look! Cake!"

jst5150
12-14-2006, 11:39 PM
Wow. I try to wade in and no one can figure out if I'm taking a serious tack or not.

Hmm.

Time for me to exit stage left for a while.

v/r, jt

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:43 PM
I'm trying to figure out if you are being serious or sarcastic, and if sarcastic, then at what, JST.

Me too.

Don't worry, JST. Her words are now part of her permanent record.

No one will forget.

But if someone, and I'm not saying Rosie in this case, makes a mistake and offers sincere apologies, I forgive.

Will I forget?

It's impossible.

Will there always be a little residue left from people who have said offensive things to me?

Of course.

But I'm pretty sure I've said offensive things as well.

We're humans.

We make mistakes.

We try to make up for those mistakes.

We're just trying to get through this crazy thing called life.

And life means forever.

And that's a mighty long time.

So, I'm here to tell you. There's something else. The afterworld.

A world of never ending happines. Where you can always see the sun. Day or night. So, when you call up that shrink in Beverly Hills. You know the one. Dr. Everything is going to be alright, instead of asking him how much of your time is left, ask him how much of your mind is left, because in this world things are much harder than in the afterworld. In this life, you're on your own....

And if the elevator tries to break you down....

Go crazy.


'Nuff said.

English Dave
12-14-2006, 11:46 PM
I think there's a couple of arguments here. For starters is anyone saying that well known Shakesperian wit Rosie O'Donnel is expected to say anything worth a damn?

Secondly is anyone saying that because she is a 'celebrity' making mind numbingly banal TV she has a duty to gear anything she says towards the most sensitive viewer?

Because that's a whole nuther can of worms and one that could bear some discussion.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:48 PM
I think there's a couple of arguments here. For starters is anyone saying that well known Shakesperian wit Rosie O'Donnel is expected to say anything worth a damn?

Secondly is anyone saying that because she is a 'celebrity' making mind numbingly banal TV she has a duty to gear anything she says towards the most sensitive viewer?

Because that's a whole nuther can of worms and one that could bear some discussion.

I dont think those issues are major parts of this incident.

I suggest you read the thread as to the main issues with Rosie and this incident, while I'm gone for a little while, and I'll quiz you when I get back.

Good day, sir.

English Dave
12-14-2006, 11:51 PM
I suggest you read the thread as to the main issues with Rosie and this incident, while I'm gone for a little while, and I'll quiz you when I get back.

Good day, sir.

I did. That's what I came up with. It's been a long day.

billythrilly7th
12-14-2006, 11:53 PM
I did. That's what I came up with. It's been a long day.

Apparently so.

More pints, sir!

More pints!




(in an unrelated issue, you know how in Love Actually there is a battle for the #1 song or something? Is that a real kind of holiday phenomomen and who is battling it out this year if it is real?)

Tiger
12-15-2006, 12:54 AM
Exactly.

She comes out the next day and says..

"On yesterday's show, I made a mistake. I made fun of Asian people and their dialect and although it wasn't my intention to offend anyone, I did. For that, I offer my sincere apology. As someone who has been the target of and often speaks out against hateful words, I should have more sensitivity when it comes to issues like this and for that I apologize as well."
(written by Thrilly Public Realtions: We Put the "CON" in Damage Control)


If I was Asian, "Thank you for the apology, Rosie. Let's move on."

Yes. She said something stupid and took a hit for it. That was fine with me.

Once again, I've not been here kvetching about how she offended me on "the View." She didn't offend me... then.

While I didn't think that Rosie should get crucified for her comment, I thought it was a good thing that she had her past "sensitivities" on other issues brought up for comparison.

Other than that, I've just been trying to clarify what I consider to be misrepresentations of what I've been attempting to say.

That "ching chong" thing on "the View" was long gone for me after day 1. Rosie's apologized for both it, and her reaction to it. Finis.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 12:59 AM
And when it happens again, then what? And when it's played again and again and again on YouTube by everyone who thought it was funny, then what? And as people are giggling and laughing at Chappelle Show comedy that rode the highest wave because of that exact same premise, then what?

For give the incident; remember the resonance. It never, ever fades.

v/r, jt

I don't understand... Are you saying that if someone does something irritating, it should be let go because it'll happen again? If so, can always grow a healthier perspective on those guys answering their cell phones at the movies...

English Dave
12-15-2006, 01:04 AM
Yes. She said something stupid and took a hit for it. That was fine with me.



Look on her as stupid network people's equally stupid weather vain on what stupid people watch.

And if you buy shampoo with added Nutrillium you'll become a sex goddess.

Okay, harsh, but come on. The sayings of Rosie O'Donnel? Is that a serious discussion on this board?

Bravo
12-15-2006, 01:07 AM
I agree with Tiger and Billy. The number one thing with me is to just move on when someone gives a sincere apology.

She didn't give a good one. She just thumbed her nose at everyone who was offended.

And I absolutely hate apologies where someone goes: "I'm sorry if you found that offensive..." That's such a copout. And in her case, she added that with "but you need a sense of humor". :rolleyes:

Admit that you were being offensive. Hell, we've all made mistakes, we've all offended people perhaps inadvertently.

But own up! Own up when you hurt someone's feelings, and don't be all passive aggressive and act as if it's the other guy's fault his feelings were hurt.

Just say you're sorry and move on.

More celebs should hire the Thrilly PR Group.

English Dave
12-15-2006, 01:19 AM
I agree with Tiger and Billy. The number one thing with me is to just move on when someone gives a sincere apology.

She didn't give a good one. She just thumbed her nose at everyone who was offended.

And I absolutely hate apologies where someone goes: "I'm sorry if you found that offensive..." That's such a copout. And in her case, she added that with "but you need a sense of humor". :rolleyes:

Admit that you were being offensive. Hell, we've all made mistakes, we've all offended people perhaps inadvertently.

But own up! Own up when you hurt someone's feelings, and don't be all passive aggressive and act as if it's the other guy's fault his feelings were hurt.

Just say you're sorry and move on.

More celebs should hire the Thrilly PR Group.

You're a total arewipe bravo.

Bravo
12-15-2006, 01:20 AM
Take that back, and say you're sorry.

Bravo
12-15-2006, 01:21 AM
By the way, what's an "arewipe"???

Is that british for ear?

Arse.

English Dave
12-15-2006, 01:21 AM
Take that back, and say you're sorry.

I'm sorry if that offended any arsewipes with no sense of humor. :)

Oh arsewipe does get through.

For the avoidence of doubt I luv Bravo.

But not in the arse sense.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Bravo
12-15-2006, 01:23 AM
Lol.

As long as Paris, Lindsay, Nicole Richie and Britney are strapped to the nukes, I'm okay with that.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 01:24 AM
Look on her as stupid network people's equally stupid weather vain on what stupid people watch.

And if you buy shampoo with added Nutrillium you'll become a sex goddess.

Okay, harsh, but come on. The sayings of Rosie O'Donnel? Is that a serious discussion on this board?

Well, you're discussing it--aren't you?

dclary
12-15-2006, 01:25 AM
btw, what's an "arewipe"???

is that british for ear?

arse.

Need to spell out By the way, Bravo. Sorry.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 01:27 AM
Question: where did "ass" come from? It's confusing on this side of the Atlantic, to have an animal and a body part with the same name.

Oh, never mind... I just thought of a bunch of other examples of this.

English Dave
12-15-2006, 01:27 AM
Well, you're discussing it--aren't you?

In the negative sense hoping for a more erudite turn of events you arsewipe.

Ooops too much. Sorry. And a sincere one.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 01:34 AM
In the negative sense hoping for a more erudite turn of events you arsewipe.

Ooops too much. Sorry. And a sincere one.

Yes. I swipe ars. I'm not ashamed.

dclary
12-15-2006, 01:35 AM
Question: where did "ass" come from? It's confusing on this side of the Atlantic, to have an animal and a body part with the same name.

Oh, never mind... I just thought of a bunch of other examples of this.

Really?

Earwig?
Kneebra?
Elboa constrictor?

English Dave
12-15-2006, 01:44 AM
Yes. I swipe ars. I'm not ashamed.

Don't we all? Arsewipe essentially means toilet paper. So....maybe what is said isn't what matters, it is the intention behind it that really matters.

Did Rosie O'Donnel exhibit racism when she said Ching Chong Ching Chong to fill in for her ignorance of Chinese language or dialect?

I suppose it depends on the intention. Only she knows the intention meant. If there was no intention to denigrate then all she can do is apologise to those who thought there was.

But......ah shit. What do I care. She's a trailer trash celeb whose opinion I care doodle spit about.

Nicegrll.....are you still banned?

Tiger
12-15-2006, 01:46 AM
Really?

Earwig?
Kneebra?
Elboa constrictor?

Uh-huh. Place names too. Ever been to Twin Buttes?

dclary
12-15-2006, 01:48 AM
Uh-huh. Place names too. Ever been to Twin Buttes?I wish.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 02:11 AM
Don't we all? Arsewipe essentially means toilet paper. So....maybe what is said isn't what matters, it is the intention behind it that really matters.

Did Rosie O'Donnel exhibit racism when she said Ching Chong Ching Chong to fill in for her ignorance of Chinese language or dialect?

I suppose it depends on the intention. Only she knows the intention meant. If there was no intention to denigrate then all she can do is apologise to those who thought there was.

But......ah shit. What do I care. She's a trailer trash celeb whose opinion I care doodle spit about.

Nicegrll.....are you still banned?

Her intent was to rant about Danny DeVito. She just kind of bumbled into the "ching chong" thing. That was the funny part.

The offensive part came out of HER "best defense" school of faux pas management.

She didn't mean to be racist. I don't believe she is a racist. But, the blame for the shitstorm that followed belongs on her; not groups of "sensitive" Asian Americans. I think she took more offense at their criticism of her than most people took from her comments.

Of course, Rosie O'Donnell is no paragon of American thought. The incident does however elucidate some of the thornier aspects of wider issues.

By the way... Do they have trailers in the UK?

English Dave
12-15-2006, 02:15 AM
By the way... Do they have trailers in the UK?
We call them 'mobile homes.'

So what she stumbled on to? Was it racist or funny or stupid? I don't watch the show. So I guess I don't have an opinion other that I wouldn't watch that show.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 03:26 AM
We call them 'mobile homes.'

So what she stumbled on to? Was it racist or funny or stupid? I don't watch the show. So I guess I don't have an opinion other that I wouldn't watch that show.

She was was careless when she stepped into it without even looking down. And that was funny for about five seconds. "Obnoxious" came out later when she was attacking her attackers.

...So, 'mobile home trash?' That doesn't sound very PC either.

English Dave
12-15-2006, 03:28 AM
She was was careless when she stepped into it without even looking down. And that was funny for about five seconds. "Obnoxious" came out later when she was attacking her attackers.

...So, 'mobile home trash?' That doesn't sound very PC either.

I don't know? Mobile gives the impression of moving upwards.

Unless it's Mobile Alabama?

Tiger
12-15-2006, 03:35 AM
Depends on how you pronounce the 'mobile...' Do you say, "mobile" like "more bile?"

English Dave
12-15-2006, 04:08 AM
Depends on how you pronounce the 'mobile...' Do you say, "mobile" like "more bile?"

I consider that racist. So I'm a 'bile' rather than a 'beel' I still have feelings.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 04:26 AM
So I'm a 'bile' rather than a 'beel'

Eeeewww...

English Dave
12-15-2006, 04:31 AM
Is that the same as my saying ab -tuse rather than ob - tuse, Mr. English Reaching Dave? Be nice, now. I have feelings, too.

Abtuse is some ignorant nothern dialect I've yet to come across on a day to day basis.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

English Dave
12-15-2006, 05:22 AM
Why do you hate Vikings?

I don't hate them. I just don't agree with raping and pillaging. But they did some good things ....like being the first Europeans in America and ...raping and pillaging.


Ahhhh raping and pillaging. Those were the days. Gone now my friend.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 05:27 AM
I don't hate them. I just don't agree with raping and pillaging. But they did some good things ....like being the first Europeans in America and ...raping and pillaging.


Ahhhh raping and pillaging. Those were the days. Gone now my friend.

"Would you look at that? Give me the good old days when a man carried a club and had a brain the size of a walnut!"

English Dave
12-15-2006, 05:30 AM
"Would you look at that? Give me the good old days when a man carried a club and had a brain the size of a walnut!"

Happy times indeed.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 05:37 AM
Happy times indeed.

...May they last forever

English Dave
12-15-2006, 05:42 AM
...May they last forever

Now THAT'S a Religion.

Reveal yourself, ghost of L. Ron. Hubbard.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 05:46 AM
Now THAT'S a Religion.

Reveal yourself, ghost of L. Ron. Hubbard.

Okay... I've been discovered. Psychiatry is a myth. Arise fellow minions! Sieze him!

English Dave
12-15-2006, 05:53 AM
Okay... I've been discovered. Psychiatry is a myth. Arise fellow minions! Sieze him!

Huh! My followers aren't fooled by your Jungeian rhetoric. I have much better rhetoric......just give me a few minutes.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 06:21 AM
Huh! My followers aren't fooled by your Jungeian rhetoric. I have much better rhetoric......just give me a few minutes.

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Quoth he who was not Jung.

If you be not threatened by Karl's rhetoric. I'll smite thee with Sigmund's. You'd best flee, Freud chicken!

English Dave
12-15-2006, 06:25 AM
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Quoth he who was not Jung.

If you be not threatened by Karl's rhetoric. I'll smite thee with Sigmund's. You'd best flee, Freud chicken!

Never threaten a Kung Po Master.

Tiger
12-15-2006, 06:31 AM
Never threaten a Kung Po Master.

uncle

Sheryl Nantus
12-15-2006, 04:25 PM
"Would you look at that? Give me the good old days when a man carried a club and had a brain the size of a walnut!"

I just got very turned on.

:D

Tiger
12-16-2006, 08:47 AM
I just got very turned on.

:D

[Sigh] Yah... we used to call to our lady loves by stomping the ground, grunting, and pulling out vegetation by the fistful.

But, kids these days got no &$%@ class!

OneTeam OneDream
08-24-2007, 01:24 AM
You don't see Richard Pryor telling racist white jokes .

The Hell you don't, that was a lot of his schtick...and as a white man I found it hilarious!

dclary
08-24-2007, 01:27 AM
You loved Richard Pryor's jokes so much you took the time to resurrect an 8-month-dead thread over it?

Tiger
08-24-2007, 02:11 AM
Creeeeeeeeaaaaaaaakkk...* Who dares conjure here?

billythrilly7th
08-25-2007, 08:46 AM
This was a Thrilly Thread.

Nice.

dclary
08-25-2007, 09:02 AM
They always remember the best, Billy.