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blackbird
11-12-2006, 10:34 PM
If this thread is more appropriate for another forum, feel free to move it. But here goes...


Suppose your agent has shopped your manuscript for nearly a year, has had some enthusiastic nibbles (but no takers) several no responses, and a few form rejections. She advises you, based on general consensus, to do an alternate edit. You don't have a problem with this and, in fact, are even in agreement that an alternate edit will strengthen the novel. But suppose that, due to other issues (that have not been satisfactorily resolved for you) you decide to leave said agent and shop for another? What would be the best strategy for explaining/dealing with this situation to the new agent? I'm aware that a new agent can't shop a manuscript to houses that have already rejected it; however, in this case, it's going to be a manuscript that's had extensive revision (hopefully, for the better). In other words, I don't plan to look for another agent until the rewrite is done. And I do know for a fact that there were at least a couple of editors who had said they would be willing to reconsider if certain suggested changes were made. So, should a new agent be made aware that these houses have already expressed an interest, or should I just let the new agent start from scratch and trust his or her judgment (without putting my own two cents' worth into the mix)? I know they will have to be made aware of my current situation and all of the places the manuscript has already been submitted to, anyway, so I'm just wondering if they would be more inclined to take on a manuscript that they know has already garnered some interest (as opposed to having been flat out rejected), or would that make any difference?

Also, the manuscript has already garnered some Hollywood interest. This came about due to a bit of fortune in having some very good connections, but the truth is that even though we don't have a deal for the book, I already have some people who have expressed interest in optioning the project and getting a screenplay done. I'm aware this is against the normal protocol (where usually a book deal is in place first) but as my agent said, is not entirely unheard of. However, the deal is still simply in the talking stage at this point and as we all know, talk in Hollywood is cheap. It may or may not pan out to mean anything. In light of this, would it be worth mentioning to a new agent? I would imagine that being made aware that a major Hollywood producer (I won't name his name, but he's one of the major players) is interested in the project could only sweeten the pot, but then again, if it's only talk at this point, would such information carry any weight, or would I be better off just to keep mum until I see what's going to happen?

JennaGlatzer
11-13-2006, 02:11 AM
Hi blackbird!

You asked: "So, should a new agent be made aware that these houses have already expressed an interest..."

Yes, certainly.

I was in a very similar situation a couple of years back. A ghostwriting client of mine had a different writer before me who wrote a book proposal, and he had an agent shop it. It garnered some interest, but no sale. After a few months, he hired me to rewrite the proposal and help him find a new agent.

I first just sent over a typical query letter, followed by the proposal, to an agent I thought would be interested. He was. So then I gave him the whole history: "I need to let you know that this has already been shopped around. HOWEVER, it's an entirely rewritten proposal, and I'm on board now, and these houses would probably be interested in looking at it again..." He sold it on the first shot out and thanked us for our candor in telling him the submission history before he went out there and got egg on his face for resubmitting a proposal most of the big houses had already seen.

So I think that's just the approach I'd take if I were you... once you have another agent's interest, let him/her know that despite the fact that it's been around the block a bit, the doors aren't closed and you've been working on a rewrite based on the feedback of some editors who are interested in taking another look.

And the film interest: sure, mention it. You obviously have a good head on your shoulders and understand the reality of the film business. Some people would use that as the big selling point ("And it's gonna be made into a movie! My pal Quentin is totally gonna buy it!"), but you're not doing that-- you're just being honest about the interest in the project and its submission history.

Good luck!

Marlys
11-13-2006, 02:44 AM
Blackbird,

I agree that it's important to let a new agent know where the project has already been submitted. In addition, you'll have to wait until everyone who's looking at your novel has rejected it, whether for print or for movie, before letting a new agent shop it--because if it's purchased by someone who already has it, agent #1 gets the commission.

I also think you're on shaky ground if an editor who received the manuscript from agent #1 ends up buying the revised version from agent #2, because it was agent #1 who got it into the editor's hands in the first place, but someone else might have more experience with that aspect and be able to clarify it.

Best of luck with it!

victoriastrauss
11-13-2006, 02:54 AM
Be aware that if you sell your revised novel to a publisher your old agent previously contacted for you, your old agent may well claim a commission on the sale. Not all agents make provision for this kind of thing in their contracts, but it's pretty standard for an agent to claim commission on deals made post-termination--even if the deal is finalized by a different agent--if the deal involves negotiations the old agent started for you, or contacts the old agent made for you.

Also, despite your revisions, I think that at least some agents will look on the ms. as something that has already done the rounds.

- Victoria

blackbird
11-13-2006, 03:11 AM
I agree that's a sticky point. The problem is that I can't seem to get a straight answer from this agency in regard to who has responded and who hasn't. Too many hands have changed and my last several emails have been pretty much ignored. The last update I received was this summer. And from what I've gathered in this forum and other places, once a publishing house has gone this long without responding, it's a pretty sure bet they don't intend to. At last count, there were about eighteen, maybe seventeen, still considering. But I'm not holding my breath for anything to come of these after nearly nine months. What's more, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of these have since passed and I just haven't been notified. I would certainly say that I'm willing to stick things out with the agency if I could get some indication that they are actually working in my behalf (believe me, I don't relish the thought of having to start the Agent Hunting Game all over again, and would certainly prefer to stay put). But when all your attempts at communication are being ignored, what do you do?

Irysangel
11-13-2006, 03:57 AM
Good lord. 17 or 18 submissions still outstanding?

How many houses did your agent send to?

blackbird
11-13-2006, 04:10 AM
Good lord. 17 or 18 submissions still outstanding?

How many houses did your agent send to?

26, I believe, by original count.

Irysangel
11-13-2006, 06:13 AM
Wow. Well, at least they're subbing it.

It could be worse.

popmuze
11-13-2006, 06:47 AM
I think it's tough enough finding an agent with a fresh manuscript, to expect one to take on something that's been so roundly rejected as yours has been is a massive challenge. Since you're going to be rewriting anyway, I would give your current agent one last chance with the new rewrite. Or, if that's a lost cause, try approaching the editors who said they'd look at it again, on your own--even knowing you'd have to cut your agent in for her share if they offered you a deal.

But I'm wondering, if that doesn't work out, and you start looking for a new agent with a major revision, what the consequences would be if you just changed the title of your book and maybe gave yourself an alias. If an agent asked, you could say a previous version went around but this one is a vastly improved.