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greglondon
11-11-2006, 10:12 AM
In 1992, Dick Cheney, as SecDef explained why Bush Senior didn't invade Iraq:
I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.
And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war.
And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/192908_cheney29.html

These facts provided for entertainment purposes only.

No point to make. No argument to have.

We report. You decide.
greglondon
11-11-2006, 10:16 AM
Of interest, Cheney's speech was made 18 months after Desert Storm was over, which means in 1992, Cheney predicted that had we'd invaded Iraq and taken over the country, we'd still be there, BOGGED DOWN, trying to GOVERN IRAQ.

Fast forward to March 2003, and the Bush administration story is "6 weeks and we'll be out".

Three years after that its "No one could have guessed we'd still be there by now"
dclary
11-11-2006, 12:50 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_a_dead_horse
Robert Toy
11-11-2006, 12:54 PM
"6 weeks and it will stop." :tongue
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 01:02 PM
Double :ROFL: :ROFL: on the last two posts.

Man, I'm drunk.

WHere the hell is Stew/Trish and Terri and Saritams and Mac( I dont care I'm going for it anyway...I'm that cute) and storygirl and tinyterror and all my favorite Aw women.


Thank u.
MacAllister
11-11-2006, 01:06 PM
Heh. I think most of 'em have long since gone to bed, Thrillsy. Have a nice time, tonight?
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 01:09 PM
I'm gonna need someone to hang with me by the toilet bowl, Mac, saying...

"You alright, dude?"

Damn.

And I drank the same amount I always drink.

That damn Jenny Craig diet left me weightless and susceptible to extra drunkenes.
MacAllister
11-11-2006, 01:11 PM
Oh dear. We tried to warn you about the Cold Duck.
dclary
11-11-2006, 01:18 PM
Sounds like he oughta maybe try a little cold turkey.
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 01:22 PM
LOL... no cold duck...regular Extra Dry and I really think it was a weightloss and not drinking in awhile problem.

The lower the weight the less you can drink and the longer you abstain the less you can drink.

And I didn't eat much tonight.

BUT,.,,,I've been here before. It's nothing that three hotdogs, two advils and FIVE large glasses of water can't handle.

And to Osama...if you think that our defenses are down because Im drunk..think again..

Clary and Mac have the Con, mother f'er.

Thank u.
MacAllister
11-11-2006, 01:38 PM
I can't help but wonder how long til he regrets those hot dogs.
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 01:52 PM
I can't help but wonder how long til he regrets those hot dogs.

i decided to go bagels and only bagels for just that regret reaSON
MacAllister
11-11-2006, 02:08 PM
Good choice.
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 02:11 PM
Thank you....Okay...I'm done...I'm gonna play my guitar, drink some water and go to sleep.

First song, Close To Fine by the Indigo Girls and I dedicate it to our Commander and Chief of Boarding, Macallister, whose first name I still dont know, but I hope to before our AW get together in the Rose Garden, Summer '25.

Goodnight, AW.

WHT7
MacAllister
11-11-2006, 02:17 PM
Thrillsy--that IS my first name. My last name is Stone. :)
billythrilly7th
11-11-2006, 02:24 PM
"Macallister Stone"

Do you realize what a cool name that is?

I'm using that in a screenplay....

"Who killed her?"

"The word on the street is that it was Mac Stone."

"Wow. Mac Stone? Macallister Stone? We thought she was dead."

"No such luck."

"The force spent 12 years trying to bring her to justice."

"Someone pulled the plug too soon, because that's a bottle that hasn't been corked yet."

"Macallister Stone still wreaking havoc. Wow. They won't even believe it."

CUT TO: INT. AW OFFICE - AFTERNOON
Unique
11-11-2006, 03:47 PM
I'm gonna need someone to hang with me by the toilet bowl, Mac, saying...

.

I'll do it.

Here, let me help you wash your hair. And no bubbles to get in your eyes - just a nice shade of blue. Say hi to the little man in the boat as he passes by, okay?
dclary
11-11-2006, 08:11 PM
I think Mac and Billy would make a great couple, although I see a lot of moderators fearing this relationship, a la Arnold and Maria.
greglondon
11-11-2006, 08:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_a_dead_horse

Hm, well, the Bushites certainly beat a dead horse about WMD's, but I think the idiom to best describe them would be:

buy a pig in a poke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke): To buy something without inspection, thereby creating an opportunity for fraud. Canonical: unethical farmer places a barn-yard cat in a burlap bag (poke) and sells it sight-unseen to another, claiming it contains a piglet.

By hook or by crook : by any means possible

Open up a can of worms:To create a situation that is hard to deal with, to get involved with something that is discomforting, hard to resolve, or not easily escaped

Can't _____ oneself out of a wet paper bag : Woefully unable to perform the task in hand

Castle in the air : A plan that is impractical, illogical and not likely to work

Cry wolf : To raise a false alarm

A day late and a dollar short : Too little, too late

Go off half-cocked : To do something, typically violent or disruptive, prematurely.

I believe its because the NeoConChickeHawks, fail to grasp that:
The devil's in the details : When a task sounds simple in concept, but carrying it out proves much more difficult.


Perhaps because they:
Drink the Kool-Aid : To follow blindly without thought, often to one's own demise.

Or they didn't want to discuss the:
Elephant in the room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room) : The problem or situation immediately obvious to all, but spoken of by none.


But the certainly were drawn to Iraq:
Like a moth to a flame : Strongly attracted to something, regardless of likely negative consequence

And they definitely
Screwed the pooch : To make a grievous error

I can only hope that with the 2006 election:
The chickens have come home to roost : The deleterious consequences of your previous actions have now become apparent

And now they looking at having to
Eat crow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_crow) : To suffer humiliation and/or reluctantly admit defeat.

And at least some of them should be:
Hauled over the coals : To harshly scold, reprimand or interrogate someone about something they did.
Robert Toy
11-11-2006, 09:08 PM
This looks like a clear case of my wiki is bigger than your wiki – very intelligent debate. I'm impressed - :D
Stew21
11-11-2006, 09:32 PM
Double :ROFL: :ROFL: on the last two posts.

Man, I'm drunk.

WHere the hell is Stew/Trish and Terri and Saritams and Mac( I dont care I'm going for it anyway...I'm that cute) and storygirl and tinyterror and all my favorite Aw women.


Thank u.
I feel so honored to be on Drunk Billy's AW Holla Girl list. :Hug2::ROFL:
Perks
11-11-2006, 11:13 PM
I feel so honored to be on Drunk Billy's AW Holla Girl list. :Hug2::ROFL:And why am I so not surprised that I didn't?
Ol' Fashioned Girl
11-12-2006, 12:33 AM
It's okay, Perks. I didn't make it, either. I'm thinking, with all the commode huggin', that's a GOOD thing.
Stew21
11-12-2006, 12:36 AM
it is a good thing, OFG - notice my rofl guy in that post! :D

I bet Billy's feeling pretty rough today.
whistlelock
11-12-2006, 12:44 AM
Greg, it's very clear here. Lemme explain-no, is too much. Lemme sum up.

Dick was for the war before he was against the war before he was for the war. He was also against the insurgency before he was for the deadenders before he was against unknown unknowns.


Does that clear it up for you?
billythrilly7th
11-12-2006, 01:27 AM
it is a good thing, OFG - notice my rofl guy in that post! :D

I bet Billy's feeling pretty rough today.

A little tired, but fine. Ready to roll again tonight.

Perks and Ol', I love ya. I had to cut the list off somewhere and was thinking about you in the "all my favorite AW women" part of that sentence
Stew21
11-12-2006, 01:48 AM
glad you are fine, billy! :)
SC Harrison
11-12-2006, 02:29 AM
before he was against unknown unknowns.



I finally heard an excerpt of that on NPR the other day. It reminded me of a drunk trying to explain something while drawing from a ten word vocabulary.

I know he's smarter than that, so I'm assuming he was told that his answers had to be at least 15% less intelligent than Bush's. :)

eta: I think the known unknowns thing was a Rummy, not a Cheney.
astonwest
11-12-2006, 03:26 AM
This is all assuming Cheney didn't give the same advice to the current Bush, and was ignored...
greglondon
11-12-2006, 06:32 PM
This is all assuming Cheney didn't give the same advice to the current Bush, and was ignored...

Are you kidding, Cheney and Donald were two NeoCon Peas in a Pod. Word on the street is that just before Rumsfeld got fired, Cheney told Bush something to the effect of "Over my dead body". Cheney and Rummy both hail from those heady neocon days when realists were in office and neocon nutjobs scurried about in the shadows of giants.

Not to mention, just before 2003 invasion, Cheney was one of the "We'll be greeted as liberators" admireres of the emporer's new clothes.
greglondon
11-12-2006, 06:38 PM
Lemme explain-no, is too much. Lemme sum up

Buttercup marry humperdink in little less than half an hour.

Our assets?

100,000 troops and public support for 6 weeks of occupation.

Impossible. If only we had a Hogwash Cloak.

NeoCon Nutjob gave me one. He said I looked so nice in it that I could have it. See? "Six weeks and we're out"

OK. Now all we need is an albino to deliver the Hogwash Cloak.

How about an idiot from Texas?
Robert Toy
11-12-2006, 07:34 PM
How about an idiot from Texas?
GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut, he is a Connecticut Yankee!
Unique
11-12-2006, 08:11 PM
GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut, he is a Connecticut Yankee!

Is that the same thing as a carpetbagger? Or is that something else?
Robert Toy
11-12-2006, 08:14 PM
Same. :)
Unique
11-12-2006, 08:32 PM
Same. :)

thought so.

isn't their motto something like, 'I'm gonna **** up your stuff and buy you out - cheap' ?
Robert Toy
11-12-2006, 08:39 PM
thought so.

isn't their motto something like, 'I'm gonna **** up your stuff and buy you out - cheap' ?
When they moved to Texas land was pretty cheap. Foreclosing on a few dozen dirt farmers was an added bonus. ;)
blacbird
11-13-2006, 12:18 AM
Not to mention, just before 2003 invasion, Cheney was one of the "We'll be greeted as liberators" admireres of the emporer's new clothes.

Actually, it was during the invasion that he said that. Right before Rumsfeld dismissed the post-invasion looting (which wound up funding a large chunk of the insurgency) as "untidiness".

caw
English Dave
11-13-2006, 12:29 AM
Actually, it was during the invasion that he said that. Right before Rumsfeld dismissed the post-invasion looting (which wound up funding a large chunk of the insurgency) as "untidiness".

caw
Post invasion schmost invasion.We came, we saw ....a huge opportunty for our buddies to make some serious bucks.
Unique
11-13-2006, 12:36 AM
Post invasion schmost invasion.We came, we saw ....a huge opportunty for our buddies to make some serious bucks.

They knew that before we went. That's WHY we went.

darn kids don't remember vietnam makes me wanna slap a teacher....grr...
English Dave
11-13-2006, 12:42 AM
They knew that before we went. That's WHY we went.

darn kids don't remember vietnam makes me wanna slap a teacher....grr...

Shooosh! You might not be making millions but your pension fund is racking up quite nicely.
Unique
11-13-2006, 12:47 AM
Not me. I'm retired military. My pension sucks.
English Dave
11-13-2006, 12:50 AM
Not me. I'm retired military. My pension sucks.

At least you've got a pension that sucks. I'm married.
greglondon
11-13-2006, 07:59 AM
Post invasion schmost invasion.We came, we saw ....a huge opportunty for our buddies to make some serious bucks.

Reminds me, just saw Kelly's Heroes on the boob tube last night.
Again.
Donald Sutherland's character, oddball, was amazing.
Anyway, the movie ended, and all I could think was,
WTF?
How are they getting that home?
I mean, a seabag can only carry so much.

Ah, never mind.
I know.
It's one of those fictional illusions.
Don't look too close or you'll see the prop paint.
oswann
11-13-2006, 10:33 AM
This has gone onto the 'Worst Thread in the History of AW' list. No offense Greg.


Os.
dclary
11-13-2006, 10:52 AM
I'm sure he doesn't take offense. One of his resume points is "horrible thread creator."
robeiae
11-13-2006, 06:27 PM
This has gone onto the 'Worst Thread in the History of AW' list. No offense Greg.
In that case:

Greg: Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?

Rob: Crap.
greglondon
11-13-2006, 07:02 PM
:cry:

boo hoo.
Bravo
11-13-2006, 07:17 PM
sigh.
billythrilly7th
11-13-2006, 10:20 PM
Hang in there, Bravo.