Interesting....

[billythrilly7th]

I started this thread....

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44744

..which was locked with this...

Nope. This is hyperbolic bs, guys, and a completely ridiculous, unsupported assertion apparently designed specifically for inflammatory value.We're not going to do it here.

Okay...fair enough. I thought maybe I was wrong....at least in way I presented it...

Yet today off ABC News....

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2638703

Arabs reacted harshly Wednesday to the drubbing of President Bush's party, saying the Republicans paid for failed U.S. policies across the Middle East.

In Israel, on the other hand, some analysts worried that political infighting between Democrats and Republicans in the run-up to the 2008 presidential election might distract the Americans from looming crises in the Middle East, chief among them the prospect of a nuclear Iran.

"Israelis perceive the Iranian threat as imminent," said Prof. Menahem Blondheim of Hebrew University. "Without political support at home and in his party and among American public, a decisive military or diplomatic move against Iran seems less and less likely."

Most governments across the region had no official comment on the election results, but critics of the U.S. role were blunt.

"I was really thrilled when I learned that the Democrats won in Congress," said Mohammed Ali, a Cairo auto parts salesman. "They are far better than the Republicans led by Bush, who destroyed everything everywhere. Look at Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon."

"President Bush is no longer acceptable worldwide," said Suleiman Hadad, a lawmaker in Syria, whose autocratic government has been shunned by the U.S.

Even in pro-Western Jordan, newspaper editor Nabil al-Sharif said many Arabs believe U.S. policies under Bush are "dangerous to the region and to the world."

"We are delighted that the American voters have at least disassociated themselves from these dangerous policies," he said.

Iranian state television said in a commentary that the Republicans suffered losses because of "Bush's wrong strategy in the Middle East" as well as "financial corruption in the United States."

So, Mac....Am I owed an apology?
;)

[dclary]

"I was really thrilled when I learned that the Democrats won in Congress," said Mohammed Ali, a Cairo auto parts salesman. "They are far better than the Republicans led by Bush, who destroyed everything everywhere. Look at Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon."


Oh man. Mohammed! You were the greatest fighter of all time... and now... you sell car parts in Cairo?

How the mighty have fallen.

(btw... how exactly did the republicans blow up palestine and lebanon, cassius?)

[Bravo]

So, Mac....Am I owed an apology?

no.

and nowhere in that article did i see anything about terrorists celebrating this, i saw something about a few arabs: "delighted that the American voters have at least disassociated themselves from these dangerous policies".

it's amusing how you've now come to link everyday arabs as the spokespeople for terrorists.

and it's amusing how youre implying that arab "delight" and support for us using democracy to clean house somehow means that we've made some sort of colossal mistake.

:rolleyes:

[billythrilly7th]

Oh man. Mohammed! You were the greatest fighter of all time... and now... you sell car parts in Cairo?

How the mighty have fallen.


We've done this joke before(always enjoyable), and I'm pretty sure it's the same Mohammad Ali who sold car parts in Cairo that we had the first time.

Weird.

I think reporters are creatures of comfort.

"I'm going to go get the car parts dude's take on this again."
Ali Asnan
The WJi

[billythrilly7th]

no.

and nowhere in that article did i see anything about terrorists celebrating this, i saw something about arabs: "delighted that the American voters have at least disassociated themselves from these dangerous policies".

it's amusing how you've now come to link everyday arabs as the spokespeople for terrorists.

and it's amusing how youre implying that arab "delight" and support for us using democracy to clean house somehow means that we've made some sort of collosal mistake.

:rollseyes:

A. I winked at Mac. 'Nuff said.

B. I said "Iran" in the original thread.

That has been proven to be true.

And can we give the terrorists some time?

The election just ended.

You don't think Zawahiri will mention this in his next recording?

I say you're wrong.

I didn't say we made a colassal mistake. Bush is still the commander of the armed forces. In 2008, we might make a collosal mistake.

Thank you.

[billythrilly7th]

it's amusing how you've now come to link everyday arabs as the spokespeople for terrorists.


IRAN state television said it.

They are terrorists.

Fair enough on Mohammad Ali's reaction.

[billythrilly7th]

Hopefully this thread can stay open...

Bravo,
Do you honestly believe that the actual terrorists aren't happy that Bush took his lumps yesterday?

Maybe there weren't celebrations in this streets, but clearly the middle eastern people from the terrorists to the everyday man hate Bush.

No?

[TheGaffer]

The terrorists love him. He's the best recruiting tool they have.

But really, Billy.

This is the kind of thing I don't want to be drawn into. We're all Americans. We all want our own safety and welfare, despite certain differences on certain things.

And conservatives ridicule (somewhat rightly) whenever liberals bring up the idea that the rest of the world sees our refusal to embrace global warming standards as stupid, because we're our own country and all that. So I don't see exactly how the terrorists should get a viewpoint in this matter, either, then. We make our own decisions. Republicans and Democrats have protected this nation ably over the many long years. It wasn't until the current occupant came along that the GOP really started to believe it's own propaganda, that they're the only one who can do the job. It will take time for people to realize this isn't the case. Perhaps 10 years. Perhaps 10 years of both parties in leadership to know we're all looking for similar things.

[billythrilly7th]

Maybe I did it in a too inflammatory hyperbolic manner in the original thread, but I think it's a fair topic to discuss.

And I don't doubt that democrats want to keep us safe.

I just questions their methods.

If I were a terrorist, I wouldn't want my phone calls tapped. I wouldn't want my friends water boarded or sent to secret CIA prison camps.

I understand why they would want the Republicans to be out of charge.

Because I believe the Republican methods are best for keeping us safe, obviously and for disrupting what, and people better wake the F up, is the battle for civilization. These Jihadists aren't fooling around, yet many Americans and citizens of the free world have gone back to a slumber.

And to me it's telling that people across the middle east from the terrorists to the common man hate Bush so much.

Many think that's a bad thing.

I think it means we're doing something right.

We tried being liked and being nice.

We got attack after attack culminating in 9/11.

The common man over there doesn't like our policies? Well Clinton tried the other avenue. THAT didn't work either.

So...I don't know.

Thank you.

[TheGaffer]

Maybe I did it in a too inflammatory hyperbolic manner in the original thread, but I think it's a fair topic to discuss.
It was the hyperbolic rhetoric. Exactly. You see the strong reactions you've already gotten on a much less hyperbolic board here, and you can see how the original one would have elicited a busload of **** ***'s and all that.

That is all.

[billythrilly7th]

It was the hyperbolic rhetoric. Exactly. You see the strong reactions you've already gotten on a much less hyperbolic board here, and you can see how the original one would have elicited a busload of **** ***'s and all that.

That is all.

I try and make things interesting and sometimes I overstep.

Fair enough.

It's hard walking that line sometimes. We all make mistakes.

I'm just one man doing the best he can, Gaffer.

Just one Thrilly in a cold, unforgiving world.

[billythrilly7th]

Okay...now I know Mac owes me an apology!! Come on Mac!! Give it to me...give it to me....

:)

Man am I tired of being right....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/10/iraq/main2170851.shtml

Al Qaeda Claims 12,000 Iraq Fighters

In New Audiotape, Terror Leader Also Crows About Republican Defeat In U.S. Midterm Elections

In the tape, al-Muhajir praised the outcome of Tuesday's elections in which Democrats swept to power in the House and the Senate, in large part due to U.S. voter dissatisfaction over the handling of the war in Iraq.

"The American people have put their feet on the right path by ... realizing their president's betrayal in supporting Israel," the terror leader said. "So they voted for something reasonable in the last elections." He did not explain his logic.


I hope you democrats want to keep supporting Israel. Please tell me that the Arch-Terrorist has it wrong.

(TimeSaver: Yes, Greg, we know that if we didn't ivade Iraq we wouldn't have terrorists in Iraq. Personally, I think it's great that we smoked out every guy who ever might have been inclinded to become a jihadist and they're all in Iraq, but that's part of my Iraq = ThunderDome mantra. Regardless, I hope you can formulate some solutions for the now.)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html

Al Qaeda in Iraq's purported leader vowed on Friday that his fighters would never rest until they have reached Jerusalem and destroy the White House.

In the audio tape made available on a militant web site, a man introduced as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir said Al Qaeda has 12,000 fighters at the ready in Iraq.

"We will not rest from our Jihad until we are under the olive trees of Rumieh and we have destroyed the dirty black house -- which is called the White House," al-Muhajir said

"Olive Trees of Rumieh" = Israel
"White House" = White House

Oy vey!!

[Bartholomew]

Brown people are the terrorists. Duh.

no.

and nowhere in that article did i see anything about terrorists celebrating this, i saw something about a few arabs: "delighted that the American voters have at least disassociated themselves from these dangerous policies".

it's amusing how you've now come to link everyday arabs as the spokespeople for terrorists.

and it's amusing how youre implying that arab "delight" and support for us using democracy to clean house somehow means that we've made some sort of colossal mistake.

:rolleyes:

[whistlelock]

I hope you democrats want to keep supporting Israel. Please tell me that the Arch-Terrorist has it wrong.
Oy vey!!

Billy, I know you're upset about the election. You're a little punch drunk, you're confused. It's okay.

Jews tend to vote Democratic. It's a key demographic for the party. No way will the Dems walk away from Isreal. No way.

I'd say that a jewish Republican is even rarer than a gay Republican, but is seems if you turn a page you'll find a gay Republican. :D

[Bravo]

i hear the EU, russia, latin america, africa, and hell the whole friggin world is happy the dems won.

a vote for the dems was a vote for the world.

those dirty commie, pinko, anti-american hippies.

[Bartholomew]

Kansas put a Democrat into office.

My world is upside down.

[aghast]

does that mean i can now get my croisant in france without pretending to be canadian? finally i can throw away my maple leaf ts

[billythrilly7th]

Billy, I know you're upset about the election. You're a little punch drunk, you're confused. It's okay.

Jews tend to vote Democratic. It's a key demographic for the party. No way will the Dems walk away from Isreal. No way.

I'd say that a jewish Republican is even rarer than a gay Republican, but is seems if you turn a page you'll find a gay Republican. :D

A. Not upset at all.
B. I know who the Jews tend to vote for. Why so many of them still do is beyond me considering that if you go to an anti-war parade made up far lefties all you see is anti-semitic garabage at worst and Don't Support Israel garbage at best. As we've talked about in the past, at worst Anti-Semitism is raging in the far left. And at best, the far left wants to have nothing to do with Israel. According to them, ISRAEL is the terrorists.
C. I know plenty of Jewish Republicans. It's not the 1970's anymore.

[billythrilly7th]

I think it's a fair topic to discuss and I did when I started the first thread in a maybe overly provacative way.

Why do the terrorists want the democrats in power?

What say you?

[Bartholomew]

A. Not upset at all.
B. I know who the Jews tend to vote for. Why so many of them still do is beyond me considering that if you go to an anti-war parade made up far lefties all you see is anti-semitic garabage at worst and Don't Support Israel garbage at best. As we've talked about in the past, at worst Anti-Semitism is raging in the far left. And at best, the far left wants to have nothing to do with Israel. According to them, ISRAEL is the terrorists.
C. I know plenty of Jewish Republicans. It's not the 1970's anymore.

Prove the emphasized statement.

[billythrilly7th]

Prove the emphasized statement.

http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/

[Unique]

Why do the terrorists want the democrats in power?

What say you?

billy. who cares what they want, eh?
I hope they seriously underestimate us.

I love giving people surprises.

[billythrilly7th]

billy. who cares what they want, eh?
I hope they seriously underestimate us.

I love giving people surprises.

lol..I hear ya.

I dont care what they want for them.

I'm just a big believer that if my enemy in the battle for civilization has a politcal preference the American people should think long and hard about why and think long and hard about going to opposite way of our arch enemy. That's all.

Are the democrats willing to stop Iran from getting Nukes by any means necessary?

I don't know.

I hope so.

[billythrilly7th]

Thrilly's going to the gym.

Must keep mind and body strong for battle of civilizations.

Carry on....

[Bravo]

Thrilly's going to the gym.

Must keep mind and body strong for battle of civilizations.

Carry on....

just dont grunt there.

there was a grunter earlier today at the gym.

he deserved to have his larynx removed.

[Bravo]

actually, maybe that explains why you post so much......


did you lose your voicebox in the gym billy?

[billythrilly7th]

nope but i'm back...doing bicep reps as i post and cook dinner

really
:)

[MacAllister]

Billy said: I don't doubt that democrats want to keep us safe.

I just questions their methods.
I agree that it's worth discussing, Billy. It was indeed the hyperbole that got the thread locked, not the topic.

This is not a large planet, anymore. There are a lot of human beings here, and it behooves us all to learn to share the sandbox.
Whistlelock said: ...seems if you turn a page you'll find a gay Republican. Heh. Then there's Mr. Mehlman, too...

So, no apology, Billy. Your post was incredibly insulting to the many liberals and
Dems who love America deeply, value our liberty, and believe in a better future for the entire world.

[billythrilly7th]

So, no apology, Billy. Your post was incredibly insulting to the many liberals and Dems who love America deeply, value our liberty, and believe in a better future for the entire world.

I only want an apology for one word used by you.

"Unsubstantiated."

I have substanstiated.

Please...

Just an apology because you doubted my substantion ability....

Then we'll move on.

Or if you so choose as to not apoligize, we can still move on.

I can take a hint.

:D

ETA: I believe I did apologize to Gaffer for the tone and methodology of the first thread. Thank you.

[Bartholomew]

http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_us_israeli_war_8_12_2006/

Really? How do I know those are democrats?

How do I know they're from the US?

Hell, how do I know they weren't paid to hold up their signs?

I said prove it, Billy, not show me a bunch of out-of-context photos on an obscure website.

[tiny]

Just smack him Mac, I think that's what he really wants. With a paddle.

[billythrilly7th]

Really? How do I know those are democrats?

How do I know they're from the US?

Hell, how do I know they weren't paid to hold up their signs?

I said prove it, Billy, not show me a bunch of out-of-context photos on an obscure website.

Amazing.

I just wished we lived in a world where people were big enough to say....

"Okay. You proved it" when incontrovertible, non-philosophical or ideological evidence is presented to them like how there weren't any WMD's in Iraq in 2003 for example.

Oh well.

I'll keep dreaming.

I'm sorry that I was unable to prove this statement....

Why so many of them still do is beyond me considering that if you go to an anti-war parade made up of far lefties all you see is anti-semitic garabage at worst and Don't Support Israel garbage at best.

with this link....

http://www.zombietime.com/stop_the_u...war_8_12_2006/
(weird..link is dead for me here...but if I google "anti-israel pictures" the site still comes up and you can go to it. I'll never understand the whacky internet.)

Not to mention MY THRILLY EYES when I was researching hippies for a screenplay. At three anti-war protests in Hollywood, I saw anti-Israel things that would make a rabbi blush. And I have them on videotape with my own commentary that will be awesome when I run for office.

But sorry, Bart. I'll try and do better next time.

Law, Bart. That's your calling. Trust me.

[MacAllister]

Okay, Billy. You've substantiated some of those assertions, at least in part. Whether or not I interpret them the same way as you doesn't matter. You've offered citations, and I appreciate that.

I apologize for doubting your google-fu. :)

[Bartholomew]

Okay, Billy. You've substantiated some of those assertions, at least in part. Whether or not I interpret them the same way as you doesn't matter. You've offered citations, and I appreciate that.

I apologize for doubting your google-fu. :)

I don't.

It hardly proves that anti-war, left-wingers are anti-semetic.

It proves that there are bigots in the world, and it proves that he's being one of them right now.

But it doesn't prove that anti-war rallies consist of jew-haters.

And, I'm sorry, I *DO* Rallies, and I never see **** like that. If I did, there would probably be a very big fight. I don't put up with that garbage, especially if they were going to hold a sign like that up while I'm in the crowd.

[billythrilly7th]

Okay, Billy. You've substantiated some of those assertions, at least in part. Whether or not I interpret them the same way as you doesn't matter. You've offered citations, and I appreciate that.

I apologize for doubting your google-fu. :)

Thank you.

"Google-Fu."

I friggin love that.

I'm gonna purchase it from you for two rep points, I don't negotiate, and add it to my ThrillyCon. Nice doing business with you.
:)

[billythrilly7th]

I don't.

It hardly proves that anti-war, left-wingers are anti-semetic.


Nice leap. I didn't say that.

Forget it.

I give up. It's Friday night....here...

When you go to a anti-war protest made up of far lefties YOU DON'T SEE anti-Israel and anti-semetic garbage.

Pay no attention to the picture evidence. It's all fake.

[billythrilly7th]

I don't.

It hardly proves that anti-war, left-wingers are anti-semetic.


P.S. Mac and I were discussing something else.

Thank you.

[MacAllister]

Look--I've seen anti-semitic bullsh*t coming from the far left and the far right, both, Bart. I loathe it, I don't care which direction it originates from.

I don't interpret those linked articles the way Billy interprets them--but he did provide some links to back up his assertions, thus making a game effort to substantiate what he was saying.

The forum isn't about agreement, though--it's about arguing well, and respectfully.

It's no surprise to me that our elected representatives have such a difficult time with any truly bipartisan discussion, when the language we've learned to use is so divisive and polarizing. I think we can agree on many key things:

We don't want to see innocents of any color or religious flavor killed.

We don't want to be under attack by zealots of any flavor, here or abroad.

We do want to make a living wage, and provide for our families and pay our bills and have some beer in the fridge.

I'm sure you guys can think of some points to add...

[billythrilly7th]

We do want U2 and Bruce Springsteen to play at my Inaugural Ball in 2024.

And that's about it I think.

[billythrilly7th]

Mac,
Can I duck out a little early tonight? I want to jump in the shower and get the night rolling.

That cool?

[robeiae]

This would have been the moment to usurp my 'freedom-sucking bastards' line, Mac. Too bad... :tongue

And Bart, this attitude:
And, I'm sorry, I *DO* Rallies, and I never see **** like that. If I did, there would probably be a very big fight. I don't put up with that garbage, especially if they were going to hold a sign like that up while I'm in the crowd....generally doesn't fly well. Nothing I hate more than Illinois Nazis. But as much as I would like to, I can't drive a car through their midst when they are just holding up signs.

[robeiae]

We do want U2 and Bruce Springsteen to play at my Inaugural Ball in 2024.You gonna provide the walkers for them?

[billythrilly7th]

You gonna provide the walkers for them?

How dare you?

How dare you send me off into the drunken, guitar playing weekend I'm about to embark on with a statement like that?

Have you no shame, Robert!?

That's it, Mac. I'm leaving right now.

Write me up if you want.

Thrilly Out

Rob has the Con.

[MacAllister]

Go, for heavens sake, Thrilly. We'll try to muddle through as best we can, without your input.

Just don't blame me if you come back and we've formed a peacenik commune.

Well...yeah. I guess, actually, you could blame me for that.

[MattW]

All of the pro-Palestine protests I've seen in city parks or on college campuses have been organized by the same folks as the anti-Iraq War crowd.

It may not be outright anti-Semitism, but it is blatantly anti-Israel. And yet Jewish voters are by and large Democrats, and poll with the same folks who call their people oppressors, puppets, or baby-killers.

[MacAllister]

Funny, that. I know a couple of gay republicans, too--and I've always been stunned that they poll with the people who call them perverts and faggots and deserve to burn in hell.

[robeiae]

Broadly speaking, I find most people to be wrong--about one thing or another.

[astonwest]

Kansas put a Democrat into office.

My world is upside down.
Where have you been?
Kansas has had a Democrat in office for some time now...

Unfortunately, now they seem to be multiplying...strange world this is.

[aghast]

Unfortunately, now they seem to be multiplying...strange world this is.

serves you right - if only you had elected a homosexual, then your multiplication problem would have ceased...

[astonwest]

serves you right - if only you had elected a homosexual, then your multiplication problem would have ceased...Strangely, I don't remember seeing one of those on the ballot (or at least they weren't openly admitting it)...but they did elect an ACLU lawyer in our district, so...

(who ironically claimed he would write legislation to stop the Rev. Fred Phelps, best known for his recent stint as leading funeral picketing demonstrations...given this candidate's ACLU past, I found that rather amusing)

[oswann]

Broadly speaking, I find most people to be wrong--about one thing or another.


I am going to use this as a starting point for all my reflection about posts here from now on.


Os.

[Bartholomew]

Where have you been?
Kansas has had a Democrat in office for some time now...


Really? I could have sworn we'd had Republicans.