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Wordworm
09-25-2006, 08:50 AM
I just finished watching a BBC documentary outlining in detail how George Bush and the Republican administration has systematically and deliberately been covering up and/or distorting scientific reports on global warming for the past six years or more.

Even though I know what scumsuckers this president and his corrupt henchmen are, and even though I've been to see An Inconvenient Truth, I was still shocked at hearing straight from the mouths of top U.S. scientists just how deliberate the effort has been to hide the facts, despite their attempts to raise awareness and inform the public.

I don't know if it has been or will be shown on U.S. television anywhere, but if you ever get a chance to watch it, please do.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5005994.stm
Transcript at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5312208.stm

billythrilly7th
09-25-2006, 09:05 AM
If it was on the BBC, so it must be true.

Damn you, George Bush!

Damn you to hell!

P.S. Why didn't we have a bad hurricane season this year? I thought that was a major aspect of the global warming? Did we cool down since last year?

What's going on with that?

Seriously.

I'm a global warming proponent or believer. I'm not pro global warming, but I believe that it is occuring and we need to do something.

Thank you.

Bartholomew
09-25-2006, 09:14 AM
If it was on the BBC, so it must be true.

Damn you, George Bush!

Damn you to hell!

P.S. Why didn't we have a bad hurricane season this year? I thought that was a major aspect of the global warming? Did we cool down since last year?

What's going on with that?

Seriously.

I'm a global warming proponent or believer. I'm not pro global warming, but I believe that it is occuring and we need to do something.

Thank you.

Fixed.

But to stay on topic, I doubt that Global Warming is reversable at this point.

We'll probably be thrust into a new Dark Age by the time I'm fifty.

billythrilly7th
09-25-2006, 09:15 AM
We'll probably be thrust into a new Dark Age by the time I'm fifty.

Cool.

I think that will be a blessing for US. We get to experience modern times and the dark ages within the span of one lifetime.

Not many people can say that.

Bartholomew
09-25-2006, 09:18 AM
Cool.

I think that will be a blessing for US. We get to experience modern times and the dark ages within the span of one lifetime.

Not many people can say that.

It'll probably be like living through the fall of Rome.

With any luck, I'll be fluent in Chinese by then...

Xia Tsi ^-^

billythrilly7th
09-25-2006, 09:20 AM
It'll probably be like living through the fall of Rome.


It doesn't look that bad.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Zge1QUGx-4

Thank you.

Bartholomew
09-25-2006, 09:24 AM
It doesn't look that bad.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Zge1QUGx-4

Thank you.

Hm.

See, most small, gangly humans have the wisdom to do that sort of thing out of earshot of the large, apish ones...

We bigguns tend to knock the wee'uns around. Not pleasant.

Shadow_Ferret
09-25-2006, 04:01 PM
I just finished watching a BBC documentary outlining in detail how George Bush and the Republican administration has systematically and deliberately been covering up and/or distorting scientific reports on global warming for the past six years or more.




Amazing. I just didn't realize how powerful Bush has become. He's able to control information? In a free press society? Absolutely amazing.

What really amazes me is how people on the one hand claim Bush is stupid and then on the other hand claim he's responsible for the biggest coverup in the history of the world (9/11), able to silence hundreds of thousands of scientists about global warming, and still walk and chew gum at the same time.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Unique
09-25-2006, 04:58 PM
You can't have it both ways.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Why?

eldragon
09-25-2006, 05:05 PM
I'll take Bush as stupid and his advisors (aka string holders) as the ones controlling the information for $500.

Kate Thornton
09-25-2006, 06:03 PM
Excellent, Pam - you win the $500! Choose a category!

robeiae
09-25-2006, 07:01 PM
Catch Phrases For Naturally Superior Idealists?

Oh, wait--you guys just ran that category...

:D

deacon
09-25-2006, 07:12 PM
shadow ferret is right! it's time to stop accusing bush of being intelligent when you know damn well he's not. give bush a break, not everyone can chew gum and walk at the same time, but he can learn to do it. maybe, with a lot of help and patience.

oh, yeah...9/11 cover-up :roll:

SC Harrison
09-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Catch Phrases For Naturally Superior Idealists?



How about this sales pitch:

Yale. The choice of a mediocre generation.

English Dave
09-25-2006, 07:20 PM
The leader of Pakistan is General.........Kyoto.
No wait that's something else. he heh heh.

Yeah Kyoto is a Gobal ...warning, to suiciders.

/Is that right Dick?

deacon
09-25-2006, 07:28 PM
The leader of Pakistan is General.........Kyoto.
No wait that's something else. he heh heh.

Yeah Kyoto is a Gobal ...warning, to suiciders.

/Is that right Dick?


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6942/ggqr4.jpg
close enough, my son...close enough.

Evaine
09-25-2006, 08:24 PM
It's relatively easy to control the flow of information when you (as the Administration) make clear to the scientists that their jobs depend on them saying the right thing, or even voting for the right party.
There was a programme on BBC Radio 4 in which a wide variety of American scientists claimed this had been going on for some time.

English Dave
09-25-2006, 08:45 PM
It's relatively easy to control the flow of information when you (as the Administration) make clear to the scientists that their jobs depend on them saying the right thing, or even voting for the right party.
There was a programme on BBC Radio 4 in which a wide variety of American scientists claimed this had been going on for some time.

You Pinko!

The BBC are the tools of the rest of the world's democratized industrial nations. All of whom are clearly anti-American. Hells Bells, why do you hate American scientists? Because their opinion seems to differ from everyone elses?

I refer to Billy's post. ' Where are the hurricanes?'

Huh? If last years were the worst ever recorded then this years should be twice that.

Global warming is the last refuge of those who hate freedom.

Wordworm
09-25-2006, 08:55 PM
It's relatively easy to control the flow of information when you (as the Administration) make clear to the scientists that their jobs depend on them saying the right thing, or even voting for the right party.
There was a programme on BBC Radio 4 in which a wide variety of American scientists claimed this had been going on for some time.
[from transcript of Bush's Climate of Fear:]
REPORTER: Next came this from the oil industry. A memo with a cover note from Exxon Mobil, was sent to the White House. The memo asked if Dr Robert Watson, head of the IPCC, could be replaced at the request of America. The administration withdrew its support. Dr Watson was not re-elected.

Dr ROBERT WATSON, Chief Scientist, World Bank: The Bush administration and the position of some in the private sector was that I was overemphasising the importance and the seriousness of climate change, and therefore probably, they viewed it would be better to have a different chair.

JAMES CONNAUGHTON, Senior Environmental Adviser to the President: Dr Watson was not forced out, his term has expired. The United States supported, at the strong urging of the Indian government, a leading world-renowned Indian scientist to lead this effort...

robeiae
09-25-2006, 08:59 PM
The World Bank should be abolished.

RG570
09-25-2006, 09:02 PM
I guess nobody ever heard of the "Medieval Warm Period"?

Things get warmer, then get cooler, then get warmer.

I HATE typing this, I hate it so much, but Bush has as much to do with global warming as cheese has to do with wednesday.

The evil man has so much more on him than that, I can't understand why they'd bother attacking him in that way when there are several glaring mistakes, starting with his being born, that they could attack him for.

But you'll never find any of those BBC documentaries shown in the USA. Anyone see "The Power of Nightmares"? That was pretty good, too bad nobody will show it in the USA. If they thought it was so inaccurate and full of lies, why are they so opposed to showing it?

I love the CBC.

English Dave
09-25-2006, 09:07 PM
[from transcript of Bush's Climate of Fear:]

JAMES CONNAUGHTON, Senior Environmental Adviser to the President: Dr Watson was not forced out, his term has expired. The United States supported, at the strong urging of the Indian government, a leading world-renowned Indian scientist to lead this effort...

India are exempt from many of the protocols of the Kyoto Treaty as they are an 'emerging Nation'

Dr Watson should have listened to Holmes.

Wordworm
09-25-2006, 09:14 PM
I guess nobody ever heard of the "Medieval Warm Period"?

Things get warmer, then get cooler, then get warmer.

I HATE typing this, I hate it so much, but Bush has as much to do with global warming as cheese has to do with wednesday.

The evil man has so much more on him than that, I can't understand why they'd bother attacking him in that way when there are several glaring mistakes, starting with his being born, that they could attack him for.
This wasn't about blaming Bush for global warming. It was about the disinformation coming out of his regime.

But you'll never find any of those BBC documentaries shown in the USA.
Which is why I thought I'd raise it as a topic here.
And yes, I love the CBC, too. I'm so happy my access isn't limited to American media.

Sheryl Nantus
09-25-2006, 09:23 PM
the CBC?

the Chretien Broadcasting Corporation?

at least, that's what we call it...

:D

English Dave
09-25-2006, 09:26 PM
the CBC?

the Chretien Broadcasting Corporation?

at least, that's what we call it...

:D

Chretian? Is that....like a ...person or a place? What? :D

Wordworm
09-25-2006, 09:45 PM
Jean actually retired quite some time ago.

RG570
09-25-2006, 09:50 PM
This wasn't about blaming Bush for global warming. It was about the disinformation coming out of his regime.

Which is why I thought I'd raise it as a topic here.
And yes, I love the CBC, too. I'm so happy my access isn't limited to American media.

Have you noticed lately that Global is turning into a watered down version of FOX?

And their new saturday documentary show..."Global Currents"...it just screams "We can be intelligent like CBC too!" This coming from the network that openly admits to dumbing down their newscasts.

Right. You can bet they'll never show anything that criticizes the right. It's pretty sad when the only real independent media is the publicly owned media. You'd think it would be the other way around.

Wordworm
09-25-2006, 09:55 PM
Have you noticed lately that Global is turning into a watered down version of FOX?

And their new saturday documentary show..."Global Currents"...it just screams "We can be intelligent like CBC too!" This coming from the network that openly admits to dumbing down their newscasts.

Right. You can bet they'll never show anything that criticizes the right. It's pretty sad when the only real independent media is the publicly owned media. You'd think it would be the other way around.
Actually, no I hadn't. But I generally stick to CBC and CNN...and of course, for serious news, The Daily Show.

dclary
09-25-2006, 10:14 PM
I doubt that Global Warming is reversable at this point.

As a matter of fact, it never was.

English Dave
09-25-2006, 10:23 PM
As a matter of fact, it never was.

I bow to the wisdom of Methusila. :)

Obviously there have been periodic shifts in the ambient temperature of the Earth due to orbit and tilt. And no doubt they will create as many problems as our current one which, if not being caused by, [who knows, it be a Bi-millenial event] is being hugely exaserbated by the greenhouse effect of CO2 emmissions.

Sheryl Nantus
09-25-2006, 10:46 PM
Chretian? Is that....like a ...person or a place? What? :D

the former Prime Minister/dictator of Canada - over a decade in office (since we don't have any term lengths up there) and managed to help move Canada into the third world country bracket.

the CBC is so left-wing that it makes you American lefties look right.

:D

English Dave
09-25-2006, 10:52 PM
the former Prime Minister/dictator of Canada - over a decade in office (since we don't have any term lengths up there) and managed to help move Canada into the third world country bracket.



Wow! That one slipped by me.


And Canada becoming a 3rd world country. ;)

RG570
09-25-2006, 11:00 PM
You forgot to mention that Jean Chretien was the only politician ever to have the intelligence, and balls, to say something to the effect of "I will not let my religion affect how I govern the country." Let's see Bush's "Monica Lewinski", erm... Stephen Harper ever make that kind of sense.

People didn't like him because he was french canadian, and because of the way he looked. They can say otherwise, but when it comes down to it, that's why everyone hates him now. He did a great job.

dclary
09-25-2006, 11:03 PM
This seems to be a problem in our society. Hyperbole is so prevalent, there's no basis in truth for the exaggerated claims people make.

No one bats an eye at Pen calling Bush and the right Hitler and Nazis. Falwell calls Hillary worse than the devil. Canadians think they're in a 3rd world nation.

Well, you have to judge all this through a window looking out over reality, folks. Hitler invaded not one, not two, not three countries. He invaded an entire continent. He slaughtered 11 million civilians by rounding them up in their homes and having them executed. As much as you may hate Bush, as bad of a president as he may have been, he is and has never been even CLOSE to being a Hitler.

The devil tempted Eve into giving up man's birthright to live in paradise forever. He destroys men's souls. He plots for the destruction of all God's wonder. He is the very paragon of evil. As much as you may not like Hillary, as devious as she or her husband may be, NEITHER of them are even CLOSE to being on par with the devil.

Finally, I don't see Canadians starving by the millions on the tundra. I don't see Canada begging the world community for food and money, or warlords keeping whole populations in control because no one has a car, or electricity or even running water. As goofy as Canada is, as much as you may not like their politics, Canada is not a 3rd world nation.


We're all writers here, right? Why don't we try to lay off the ridiculousness and write more accurately?

English Dave
09-25-2006, 11:08 PM
Well, you have to judge all this through a window looking out over reality, folks. Hitler invaded not one, not two, not three countries. He invaded an entire continent. He slaughtered 11 million civilians by rounding them up in their homes and having them executed. As much as you may hate Bush, as bad of a president as he may have been, he is and has never been even CLOSE to being a Hitler.



Correct. I can't and won't argue against that. He takes far less lives in pursuit of his ideaology. ;)

Unique
09-25-2006, 11:45 PM
We're all writers here, right? Why don't we try to lay off the ridiculousness and write more accurately?

... because it's not nearly as much fun?

blacbird
09-25-2006, 11:46 PM
the former Prime Minister/dictator of Canada - over a decade in office (since we don't have any term lengths up there) and managed to help move Canada into the third world country bracket.

Sheryl, have you ever been to a real third-world country?

caw.

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 12:08 AM
does it matter what I say? Either you'll call me a liar or point out that I wasn't in a *really* bad place and so forth.

health care in Canada is a shambles - my sister's father-in-law has been waiting for months to see a cancer specialist. He's already been diagnosed, this is to get treatment. I, myself, had to wait three months for a treatment that could have been received (and was) in two weeks in the US.

but I'm sure the socialists here have answers for everything.

except for cancer patients dying while waiting in line for their "free" health care.

and that's gotten worse in my own lifetime - so yes, I'll call Chretien a bad leader and Mulroney even worse. All the way back to Trudeau who was so chic as to run around with a German helmet on his head terrorizing the seniors in his neighborhood.

at least Canada might have a chance with Harper.

English Dave
09-26-2006, 12:11 AM
What is this thing....Canada?

dclary
09-26-2006, 12:15 AM
does it matter what I say? Either you'll call me a liar or point out that I wasn't in a *really* bad place and so forth.

health care in Canada is a shambles - my sister's father-in-law has been waiting for months to see a cancer specialist. He's already been diagnosed, this is to get treatment. I, myself, had to wait three months for a treatment that could have been received (and was) in two weeks in the US.

but I'm sure the socialists here have answers for everything.

except for cancer patients dying while waiting in line for their "free" health care.

and that's gotten worse in my own lifetime - so yes, I'll call Chretien a bad leader and Mulroney even worse. All the way back to Trudeau who was so chic as to run around with a German helmet on his head terrorizing the seniors in his neighborhood.

at least Canada might have a chance with Harper.

I don't think you're allowed to say things like this in America, because the Democrats want us to think that your healthcare system is the cream of the North American crop.

Are you telling us it isn't?

Wowee.

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 12:20 AM
Canadians are told at birth that you Americans have people literally dying in the streets because they don't have credit cards or cash to pay for medical treatment at the front door of the hospital.

:)

robeiae
09-26-2006, 12:20 AM
There goes Jeff Hanson into the corner. No, it's Jack.
17. I'll have to check that later. A crushing check on the boards!
Things are really going on out there now! Now Steve is in front of the net. I think that's Steve. Yes. No. Yeah, it is Steve. And I think that was Jack. It was Jeff or Jack.

blacbird
09-26-2006, 12:23 AM
Sheryl, I've been to Canada, many times, many places (east, west, central, north, south), including some pretty rural ones, and to assert that Canada will now "have a chance" is one of the most stupendously hilarious things I've ever seen anybody post on this forum.

caw.

English Dave
09-26-2006, 12:23 AM
Canadians are told at birth that you Americans have people literally dying in the streets because they don't have credit cards or cash to pay for medical treatment at the front door of the hospital.

:)

And.....that is wrong ...how?

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 12:34 AM
Sheryl, I've been to Canada, many times, many places (east, west, central, north, south), including some pretty rural ones, and to assert that Canada will now "have a chance" is one of the most stupendously hilarious things I've ever seen anybody post on this forum.

caw.

coming from an American, I find that hysterical.

if I offered the same sort of opinion on America, having only lived in one area for a few years, I'd be laughed off this board.

and if you're going to defend the Canadian health care system, please... give some personal experiences rather than the socialist propoganda I trip over every time I get asked about the "free" health care.

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:41 AM
Amazing. I just didn't realize how powerful Bush has become. He's able to control information? In a free press society? Absolutely amazing.

What really amazes me is how people on the one hand claim Bush is stupid and then on the other hand claim he's responsible for the biggest coverup in the history of the world (9/11), able to silence hundreds of thousands of scientists about global warming, and still walk and chew gum at the same time.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

bush is a hood ornament

911 is hardly the biggest cover-up in the history of the world

'hundreds of thousands of scientists' is hyperbole

and where's the fvcking proof he can walk and chew gum at the same time?

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:42 AM
Canadians are told at birth that you Americans have people literally dying in the streets because they don't have credit cards or cash to pay for medical treatment at the front door of the hospital.

:)

I wasn't told that

English Dave
09-26-2006, 12:45 AM
I wasn't told that

That's cuz you're Lebanese.

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:46 AM
I don't think you're allowed to say things like this in America, because the Democrats want us to think that your healthcare system is the cream of the North American crop.

Are you telling us it isn't?

Wowee.

At least here you don't lose your house because you got an infected toe nail.

yet

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:47 AM
That's cuz you're an Arab.

Are you saying I'm an Arab?

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:48 AM
That's cuz you're Lebanese.

Are you saying I'm Lebanese?

English Dave
09-26-2006, 12:48 AM
Are you saying I'm an Arab?

I changed it to Lebanese.

Dammit. Too slow. How 'bout.....

That's cuz you clearly aren't living or thinking of emigrating to the real 3rd world that is Canada.

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:49 AM
http://www.maxwellsociety.com/Miscellany/klinger.jpg

May the foulest case of Libyan crotch rot spread throughout your harem

robeiae
09-26-2006, 12:51 AM
911 is hardly the biggest cover-up in the history of the world

Funny. I always thought the biggest cover up in the history of the world was the toga Dom DeLuise wore (http://www.friendsoffilm.com/images/deluisehistory.jpg)...

English Dave
09-26-2006, 12:52 AM
http://www.maxwellsociety.com/Miscellany/klinger.jpg

May the foulest case of Libyan crotch rot spread throughout your harem

Racist! You assume it hasn't already.

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:55 AM
Racist! You assume it hasn't already.

Not quite, I've had my suspicions

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:56 AM
Funny. I always thought the biggest cover up in the history of the world was the toga Dom DeLuise wore (http://www.friendsoffilm.com/images/deluisehistory.jpg)...

dclary's moustache is a contender too

Haggis
09-26-2006, 12:58 AM
What is this thing....Canada?

It's one of the states. North of Buffalo.

robeiae
09-26-2006, 12:59 AM
It's one of the states. North of Buffalo.
Iceland?

Haggis
09-26-2006, 01:02 AM
Iceland?

Could be. I've heard they live in igloos.

English Dave
09-26-2006, 01:04 AM
Not quite, I've had my suspicions

I've told you. It's just an allergy. Don't scratch it.

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 01:12 AM
Could be. I've heard they live in igloos.


http://lamichelle.smugmug.com/photos/29741308-S.jpg

welcome to my humble abode

Haggis
09-26-2006, 01:17 AM
welcome to my humble abode

Someone call PETA. They're wearing animal fur.

blacbird
09-26-2006, 02:23 AM
if I offered the same sort of opinion on America, having only lived in one area for a few years, I'd be laughed off this board.

I have no idea what this "having only lived in one area for a few years" is supposed to refer to, relevant to my preceding posts. I thought I made it fairly clear that I've seen quite a lot of Canada, Halifax to Victoria to Ottawa/Hull to Toronto to Calgary to Dawson City, and lots of places in between. Have you?

My amusement, Sheryl, was to your hyperbolic "have a chance" comment. So, clarify, then: Canada will now have a chance to . . . what? To be a country with one of the overall highest living standards in the world? To be an openly democratic country where people can vote and change their governing leaders regularly, without fear of reprisal? Gee, I sure hope you make it.

And if you detest the "third world" country you live in so much, why exactly don't you move? From what I understand of Canada, nobody is going to arrest you for doing so.

caw.

English Dave
09-26-2006, 02:26 AM
And if you detest the "third world" country you live in so much, why exactly don't you move? From what I understand of Canada, nobody is going to arrest you for doing so.

caw.
She did.

Fvckin immigrant!

billythrilly7th
09-26-2006, 02:28 AM
And if you detest the country you live in so much, why exactly don't you move?

Hey, that's our, the Republican's line.

Get your own.

Thank you.

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 03:28 AM
I have no idea what this "having only lived in one area for a few years" is supposed to refer to, relevant to my preceding posts. I thought I made it fairly clear that I've seen quite a lot of Canada, Halifax to Victoria to Ottawa/Hull to Toronto to Calgary to Dawson City, and lots of places in between. Have you?

My amusement, Sheryl, was to your hyperbolic "have a chance" comment. So, clarify, then: Canada will now have a chance to . . . what? To be a country with one of the overall highest living standards in the world? To be an openly democratic country where people can vote and change their governing leaders regularly, without fear of reprisal? Gee, I sure hope you make it.

And if you detest the "third world" country you live in so much, why exactly don't you move? From what I understand of Canada, nobody is going to arrest you for doing so.

caw.

what I mean was that if *I* made such a sweeping statement about the US, having only lived in one area for a few years, I would be trounced out of here. Since you've obviously travelled the wilderness of Canada for years without worrying about being sick or having no need of the health care system and support it highly, why don't *YOU* settle down there?

I have no idea what sort of rich friends or lifestyle that you have that you visit and travel so much, but if you think that the majority of Canadians have no problem with being overtaxed and waiting months for medieval health care... my own mother hasn't been to see a doctor outside of an ER for years because she can't find a family doctor! My sister had to go via the local hospital for her second child because there's a shortage of gynes and she couldn't find one to take her on for her second child.

the health care system is dying and taking the country down with it. With 15% tax being charged on *everything* from soup to nuts, it's hard to live decently. I have no idea what sort of rich friends or pals you were hanging with, but most of my family and friends in Canada are overtaxed and still having to deal with the fact that they could literally die waiting for treatment.

high standard of living or not, having your citizens die waiting for the most basic of consultation on medical matters does not bode well from the country.

and yes, I have immigrated. Married me a nice American boy and am darned happy.

blacbird
09-26-2006, 03:49 AM
Decaf, Sheryl, decaf.

caw.

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 06:10 AM
I drink tea.

Tetley, smuggled down from Canada. Tastes better.

:D

blacbird
09-26-2006, 06:34 AM
I drink tea.

Tetley, smuggled down from Canada. Tastes better.

:D

See? There are good things about Canada.

caw.

Wordworm
09-26-2006, 08:30 AM
I guess Mr. Bush couldn't get to the National Academy of Sciences in time to bury this report.
Global warming nears ‘dangerous’ level
Researchers say average temperatures are close to a million-year high
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15003895/

billythrilly7th
09-26-2006, 09:15 AM
Researchers say average temperatures are close to a million-year high

Maybe it's just me but I'm not real confident in any data before, let's say...the past 100 years or so, let alone a million.

persiphone_hellecat
09-26-2006, 09:18 AM
Billy Billy Billy - see what happens when I go away? Why don't you just be a good American and take Al Gore's word for it?

billythrilly7th
09-26-2006, 09:21 AM
Democrats wouldn't be trying to SCARE US for political gain with "hottest temp in a million years" type rhetoric this close to an election, would they?

Hmmmmm....no, not the democrats.
;)

My-Immortal
09-26-2006, 09:32 AM
Amazing. I just didn't realize how powerful Bush has become. He's able to control information? In a free press society? Absolutely amazing.

What really amazes me is how people on the one hand claim Bush is stupid and then on the other hand claim he's responsible for the biggest coverup in the history of the world (9/11), able to silence hundreds of thousands of scientists about global warming, and still walk and chew gum at the same time.

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Sheesh. :rolleyes:

I didn't link the article, (sorry, I'm sure others can find it easily enough if they must read about it) but apparently he's capable of singlehandedly forcing the gas prices down too.

Busy guy...

dclary
09-26-2006, 09:47 AM
"Bush is evil! And oy, this heat!"

persiphone_hellecat
09-26-2006, 10:06 AM
Billy - when thinking of the subject of temperature, I am reminded of the final episode of MASH with the late McLean Stevenson as Lt. Col Henry Blake. When Col Blake left, he gifted Radar with his personal thermometer, telling him it was always best to go "right to the horse's mouth" when taking temperatures. If you are concerned about temperatures, allow me to introduce you to Dr. Ben Dover ... winks ... This is just a drive by post ... Thanks for writing the forward in my new book The World According to Persi -- you and Clary did a great job. Persi

Blackheart
09-26-2006, 12:51 PM
Democrats wouldn't be trying to SCARE US for political gain with "hottest temp in a million years" type rhetoric this close to an election, would they?

Hmmmmm....no, not the democrats.
;)

You republicans are fearless, tough, and know everything by just reading the sports scores and the printer's information at the front of the bible. I can't believe you would even mention the possibility you might be scared by democrats

xhouseboy
09-26-2006, 03:01 PM
Weren't we all supposed to be fried to a crisp by now? Something to do with an irreversible hole in the ozone layer.

And what happened to the Ice Age that was heading our way back in the 80's? I remember reading this article that depicted the UK as under so many feet of ice, and claiming we'd all be running around like a nation of Jeremiah Johnsons. I was quite looking forward to that. Though what the hell we were supposed to hunt, still escapes me - maybe the anti-fur lobby. Although the conditions would probably have wiped them out first.

Anyway, it's all moot. We'll have colonised Mars before things get too rough for us. I know that according to previous predictions we should already have colonies on the moon, but by the law of averages they have to get something right some time.

Diana Hignutt
09-26-2006, 04:38 PM
Look, I am no fan of the President, and his use of 9/11 and the War on Terrorism, clearly is an attempt to create a climate of fear to push his policies and control the country, and his environmental record is absolutely deplorable; however, those who are touting this imminent diaster of global warming, are no better. Disagreeing data is dismissed, and theories and computer models are presented as hard facts. Those who push the politicized science of global warming are doing just as much to create a climate of fear. Certainly global warming exists, though it's causes could simply be cyclical shifts, and have less to do with human intervention than we are being lead to believe.

xhouseboy
09-26-2006, 05:02 PM
Those who push the politicized science of global warming are doing just as much to create a climate of fear.

It's now being touted by some political parties in the UK as the biggest threat to our 'security'. I assume they mean mass immigration as the flood waters rise, and a breakdown of society as armies of lawless brigands seek haven on our shores. It's starting to look like it's soon gonna push terrorism off the number one slot. I suppose they've got to keep us living in fear and reliant on them as our ultimate saviours. It's what they're paid for.

I just tend to ignore politicians - scumsucking liars the lot of them... sorry, Grommy assumed control of my thoughts for a second there...

Sheryl Nantus
09-26-2006, 05:02 PM
even if the earth is headed for a hot spell or an ice age... what can we do about it?

let's face it - the UN and other international groups can barely decide on what day to meet to have a cuppa - and you expect them to decide which countries can continue to develop their natural resources; which countries cannot and establish quotas for their industries to follow...

ain't gonna happen.

heck, they can barely find their tushies with both hands - think that anyone will agree on anything this global?

Chacounne
09-26-2006, 05:52 PM
With 15% tax being charged on *everything* from soup to nuts to darned near everything

Actually, no GST is charged on soup or nuts ... just to be clear

Trying to be helpful,
Heather

henriette
09-26-2006, 07:10 PM
Actually, no GST is charged on soup or nuts ... just to be clear

Trying to be helpful,
Heather

no, but they still charge it on tampons and pads, which really irks me.

those are necessities, people.

otherwise, i am a proud canadian who cringes everytime the prime minister's eyes glare through my tv screen. nonconfidence vote now!

dclary
09-26-2006, 07:13 PM
Bush's Climate of Fear was a balmy 90 degrees (f) yesterday, here in beautiful downtown castaic.

Blackheart
09-27-2006, 12:44 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/09/13/imaged669c0bd-58e4-43ef-9c6d-1f8e8b01474d.jpg

Meanwhile, around Castaic...

dclary
09-27-2006, 01:27 AM
Hmmm.. I will concede that the balmy weather may be pyrotechnically augmented.

SeanDSchaffer
09-28-2006, 10:10 AM
I guess nobody ever heard of the "Medieval Warm Period"?



Or the miniature Ice Age that was already in full swing when the American Revolution began?

At least, I think that's what the History Channel called it.

robeiae
09-28-2006, 05:15 PM
You mean Valley Forge?

SeanDSchaffer
09-28-2006, 09:31 PM
No, I mean there was supposedly an ice age around much of the Northern Hemisphere when the American Revolution took place.

For the life of me, I cannot remember exactly what the History Channel called it. Something similar to 'Miniature Ice Age', but I don't believe the word 'Miniature' was used in their description.


ETA:
They had a special on it a few months ago, just before they did the mini-series on the War of 1812. I'd say that was around the beginning of this year.

Shadow_Ferret
09-28-2006, 09:38 PM
No, I mean there was supposedly an ice age around much of the Northern Hemisphere when the American Revolution took place.

For the life of me, I cannot remember exactly what the History Channel called it. Something similar to 'Miniature Ice Age', but I don't believe the word 'Miniature' was used in their description.


ETA:
They had a special on it a few months ago, just before they did the mini-series on the War of 1812. I'd say that was around the beginning of this year.

According to this article (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn8398) from last year. A mini ice age is right around the corner.

dclary
09-28-2006, 09:49 PM
Bush's climate of fear looks to be dumping rain on me in Bahstahn this weekend. Stupid broken weather-manipulator-machine-thingies.

kikonie
09-28-2006, 09:52 PM
never mind

Evaine
09-29-2006, 12:29 AM
It was called the Little Ice Age. The Thames froze so thickly, and regularly, that they held Frost Fairs on the ice. It was also the period that Dutch painters like Breughal (sp?) painted all those snow covered landscapes. Before that Britain was warm enough for grape growing for wine. Before the Black Death was actually a pretty good time to be a peasant - lots of holy days when you didn't work, and very few famines because of the good climate. The rot set in at about the same time as the Black Death, when the climate started to change by getting a lot wetter, before it got colder, causing floods in Norfolk, for instance, that led to the creation of the Norfolk Broads. All those interconnected lakes and waterways were once peat diggings.
Since then we've been getting warmer again, and grapes are again grown for wine in England. A survey of flowering times of wild plants has shown that many now flower up to 20 days ahead of what was considered normal 50 years ago. However, if the Gulf Stream changes direction, as some scientists think it might, the UK will change to having a climate similar to Newfoundland.

blacbird
09-29-2006, 12:56 AM
However, if the Gulf Stream changes direction, as some scientists think it might, the UK will change to having a climate similar to Newfoundland.

Correcto. There's considerable evidence this is beginning to happen, and it's directly related to increased melting of the Greenland ice cap and polar sea ice, which is sending increased volumes of fresh water into the North Atlantic surface waters, tending to suppress the warm saline surface flow of the Gulf Stream gyre.

Global warming is "global". It's not a matter of warming everywhere, at least in the shorter term, but of altering the overall global climatic system toward the warmer end, which is being felt most acutely in polar regions right now. The stability of the major flow of oceanic currents, both at the surface and at depth, has a huge effect on weather systems worldwide. That's a far bigger immediate concern than any rise in sea level would be.

caw.

Shadow_Ferret
09-29-2006, 12:59 AM
So... what you're trying to tell me is that global warming is bringing about a new ice age? :rolleyes:

blacbird
09-29-2006, 08:38 AM
So... what you're trying to tell me is that global warming is bringing about a new ice age?

"Global warming is "global". It's not a matter of warming everywhere, at least in the shorter term, but of altering the overall global climatic system toward the warmer end, which is being felt most acutely in polar regions right now."

(Evidently I must repeat the statement from my preceding post, and invite you to read it.)

caw.

Shadow_Ferret
09-29-2006, 04:09 PM
I read what you said. It made no sense. "Global warming is not 'global?'" Then why call it "global" warming? Why not. "partial warming and partial icing?" Or "maybe you'll be hot, maybe not."

Better yet, how about "global climactic disruption" or something?

MacAllister
09-29-2006, 04:13 PM
As I understand it, because the mean temperature (http://climate.wri.org/pubs_content_print.cfm?ContentID=3909) seems to be rising, overall.
I wonder where Neurofizz is. He's done a bunch of work with this stuff.

robeiae
09-29-2006, 04:49 PM
As I understand it, because the mean temperature (http://climate.wri.org/pubs_content_print.cfm?ContentID=3909) seems to be rising, overall.
Funny how they can't keep a logical consistency in these kinds of blurbs.

Is el Nino a consequence of Global Warming? Or maybe Global Warming is making the el Nino effect stronger...Or perhaps el Nino should be treated as an an entirely unrelated event (even though every other weather event is linked to Global Warming), that way the effects of it can be discounted in the past when these effects throw of the smoothness of the curve...or bend it in a different direction.

English Dave
09-29-2006, 10:19 PM
Funny how they can't keep a logical consistency in these kinds of blurbs.

Is el Nino a consequence of Global Warming? Or maybe Global Warming is making the el Nino effect stronger...Or perhaps el Nino should be treated as an an entirely unrelated event (even though every other weather event is linked to Global Warming), that way the effects of it can be discounted in the past when these effects throw of the smoothness of the curve...or bend it in a different direction.

There are many historical weather events which no one is claiming is caused by Global Warming. Such as El Nino and Asian Monsoons.


But you knew that!

blacbird
09-29-2006, 11:33 PM
You Pinko!

The BBC are the tools of the rest of the world's democratized industrial nations. All of whom are clearly anti-American. Hells Bells, why do you hate American scientists? Because their opinion seems to differ from everyone elses?

I refer to Billy's post. ' Where are the hurricanes?'

Huh? If last years were the worst ever recorded then this years should be twice that.

Global warming is the last refuge of those who hate freedom.

The "hurricanes" this year are concentrated in the west Pacific. There's an incipient El Nino developing out there, an anomalous swelling of warm water in the equatorial regions of the Pacific Ocean, which has an effect on immediate global weather patterns that includes suppression of the developing low-pressure systems over northern Africa that drift into the Atlantic and spawn hurricanes. This also results in droughts in some areas, anomalously big rains in others where there shouldn't be such. El Ninos are cyclic events, but the last one a few years back was the worst since weather records have been kept. And they are caused by extra warmth in the central Pacific.

That's the science lesson for today. My invoice will be forthcoming.

caw.

persiphone_hellecat
09-29-2006, 11:42 PM
El Nino was a Republican conspiracy created by by Ronald Reagan in the 60's to move all the smog out of California and send it to the Democratic East Coast. It almost worked, but we caught on when Penn Gillette started warning us through his famous "bunny in the woodchipper" trick and Teller mysteriously spoke one day, saying only four words before returning to perpetual silence. "El Nino Republican Conspiracy". That was enough to convince affluent East Coast Democrats to start contributing large sums of money to Mario Cuomo's "Buy a High Pressure System" program - co-sponsored by Teddy Kennedy and Joe Biden. Several large high pressure systems were purchased and placed startiing at the NY borders and going south as far as Virginia -- effectively blocking the California smog and sending it back to California. They think we are dumb here in NY right? Take THAT Governator!

veinglory
09-29-2006, 11:48 PM
Some of you people seriously need to take up writing satire professionally. LOL

English Dave
09-29-2006, 11:49 PM
The "hurricanes" this year are concentrated in the west Pacific.

Mmmmmm? Just in case California switches?

Excellent planning!

persiphone_hellecat
09-29-2006, 11:58 PM
Mmmmmm? Just in case California switches?

Excellent planning! It's all a part of our Democratic response to the Republican conspiracy. We are also working on sending California plagues of locusts, rains of blood and frogs and possibly even cats and dogs. We have Ted Kennedy working on that one. We plan on running Ahnold all the way back to Austria.

dclary
09-30-2006, 12:22 AM
Some of you people seriously need to take up writing satire professionally. LOL

Problem is, they don't always know they're being funny...

English Dave
09-30-2006, 12:24 AM
It's all a part of our Democratic response to the Republican conspiracy. We are also working on sending California plagues of locusts, rains of blood and frogs and possibly even cats and dogs.

lol

Is that on top of the suicide bombers with bags full of old Japanese car parts so it's raining Datsun Cogs?

Wordworm
09-30-2006, 01:06 AM
Hmmm..I find it curious that this thread on concerns about environmental issues would be relegated to Politics and Religion, when threads such as U.S. Abusing Iraki Citizens worse than Saddam, or And, now Falwell compares Hillary to Lucifer, or Speaking of the Stone Age, or What is WRONG with George Allen?, or Holy Moley... TERRIBLE News for Democrats in an Election Year, or Oh, uh, about that devil comment...?, or SO WHAT??, all of which are clearly political in tone, are left alone.

English Dave
09-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Hmmm..I find it curious that this thread on concerns about environmental issues would be relegated to Politics and Religion, when threads such as U.S. Abusing Iraki Citizens worse than Saddam, or And, now Falwell compares Hillary to Lucifer, or Speaking of the Stone Age, or What is WRONG with George Allen?, or Holy Moley... TERRIBLE News for Democrats in an Election Year, or Oh, uh, about that devil comment...?, or SO WHAT??, all of which are clearly political in tone, are left alone.


You've got to leave something in TIO! lol

dclary
09-30-2006, 01:21 AM
As Gaffer would say. "Far be it for us to demonize a thread about actual demons."

blacbird
09-30-2006, 02:14 AM
Uhhh . . . folks . . . by west Pacific, I'm referring to the western side of the Pacific Ocean. In other words, Asia. We are this moment experiencing rains in Alaska that are remnants of one of the typhoons that circulate up every now and then from the Philippines, Taiwan, China, Japan, etc. California has problems, but getting hit with a hurricane isn't likely one of them.

caw.

English Dave
09-30-2006, 02:17 AM
Uhhh . . . folks . . . by west Pacific, I'm referring to the western side of the Pacific Ocean. In other words, Asia. We are this moment experiencing rains in Alaska that are remnants of one of the typhoons that circulate up every now and then from the Philippines, Taiwan, China, Japan, etc. California has problems, but getting hit with a hurricane isn't likely one of them.

caw.

So far. Mwwwwwwwwahhhha!

SeanDSchaffer
09-30-2006, 02:20 AM
I agree with Blacbird: the West Coast of the United States does not see all that many hurricanes. I live in Oregon, about 100 miles inland. In my lifetime, I can count on one finger how many hurricanes have hit my area.


That hurricane hit us in 1979.

English Dave
09-30-2006, 03:02 AM
I agree with Blacbird: the West Coast of the United States does not see all that many hurricanes. I live in Oregon, about 100 miles inland. In my lifetime, I can count on one finger how many hurricanes have hit my area.


That hurricane hit us in 1979.

Can't argue with that. The UK has had few hurricanes, floods, Earthquakes or rains of frogs in living memory.

Apart from the hurricane. And floods.

SeanDSchaffer
09-30-2006, 03:08 AM
I agree with Blacbird: the West Coast of the United States does not see all that many hurricanes. I live in Oregon, about 100 miles inland. In my lifetime, I can count on one finger how many hurricanes have hit my area.


That hurricane hit us in 1979.


My Emphasis.


I feel like I should point out that by "My area", I meant the Portland Metropolitan Area, not the whole of Oregon.

English Dave
09-30-2006, 03:14 AM
My Emphasis.


I feel like I should point out that by "My area", I meant the Portland Metropolitan Area, not the whole of Oregon.

Yeah, fvck them!

rtilryarms
09-30-2006, 03:34 AM
Hmmm..I find it curious that this thread on concerns about environmental issues would be relegated to Politics and Religion, when threads such as U.S. Abusing Iraki Citizens worse than Saddam, or And, now Falwell compares Hillary to Lucifer, or Speaking of the Stone Age, or What is WRONG with George Allen?, or Holy Moley... TERRIBLE News for Democrats in an Election Year, or Oh, uh, about that devil comment...?, or SO WHAT??, all of which are clearly political in tone, are left alone.


Thats the way it is going to be. Ok?

blacbird
09-30-2006, 03:36 AM
Can't argue with that. The UK has had few hurricanes, floods, Earthquakes or rains of frogs in living memory.

Apart from the hurricane. And floods.

I lived in the U.K. (Surrey) in 1988-1990, and one winter we got hit with a sequence of North Atlantic storms, a couple of them having hurricane-force winds (100MPH). 40 or 50 people died, numerous of them from having trees fall on them, either on foot or in cars. Technically, these weren't hurricanes, as those by definition are tropical storms. These developed in the North Atlantic region, much like the famed "Perfect Storm" off New England, the one of Sebastian Junger's book. But other than that, they were big, nasty low-pressure cyclonic storms, and profoundly unpleasant.

caw.

SeanDSchaffer
09-30-2006, 04:28 AM
Yeah, fvck them!


Don't you think the use of the F-word in this forum is a bit much, Dave?

emeraldcite
09-30-2006, 04:39 AM
P.S. Why didn't we have a bad hurricane season this year? I thought that was a major aspect of the global warming? Did we cool down since last year?

What's going on with that?

El Nino.

That other thing that happens because of global warming. We might not be having a bad time here on the east coast this year with hurricanes (fingers crossed), but there will be some other places that will be having a bad run.

robeiae
09-30-2006, 05:04 AM
El Nino.Actually, the slower season this year is not being attributed to el Nino, as of yet. It wasn't strong enough to have an impact. It will likely impact the 2007 season, if you believe in that sort of thing...

Personally, I think the reason is that weather can be unpredictable.