NEPAT Overflow

[NancyMehl]

Hi Grommet!



Nancy, we could learn to do needlepoint in prison. Or, wait, are needles not allowed in the slammer? Hm. We could learn origami. Always wanted to learn origami.

I don't know.

I hate paper cuts....

Nancy

[NancyMehl]

I just want to state that there is honor and respect for everyone who buys my book. It is the most important book ever written. President Bush is reading it right now, and Doctor Phil just called to say he wants me to appear on his show.

I will buy 10 copies of your book if you will buy just one of mine.

Really.

Trust me.

Nancy

[Dawno]

I just got an email from one of the reviewers that Pavel & Co. plagiarized. She's not doing so well. It makes me even more angry that he would take the words from someone who is working so hard fighting against this and other ailments and twist them for his own profit.

If I end up on the same cell block as you and Nancy, Jenna, can we form a trio and sing "Nobody Knows the Tsupruk I Seen" ???

[Andrew Jameson]

This is starting to have the sick feeling of voyeurism at a freak show. Yes indeed. Much as I dislike plagarists and scammers and people who take advantage of the desperate, watching this guy look less and less and less sane is...frightening. And sad. Quit poking him, please.

[JennaGlatzer]

It's like this kid has gone to scam school and is pulling out EVERY trick in the book all at once:

MLM scheme: check
Prey on people in desperate situations: check
Write false testimonials: triple-check
Use numerous fake names: check
Invoke God's name and Christianity as a marketing tool: check
Steal from others who are legitimately successful: check
Call for pity and emotional appeal so people will double their purchases: check

What's left? We could play Scammer Bingo...

[JennaGlatzer]

Yes indeed. Much as I dislike plagarists and scammers and people who take advantage of the desperate, watching this guy look less and less and less sane is...frightening. And sad. Quit poking him, please.

Grumblegrumble... ruin all my fun... ;)

Seriously, though, what happens when his first page fills up with 5-star reviews again? If this guy were a novelist writing dozens of glowing reviews for himself, I'd never have said a word-- but my concern for the people he's trying to fool and the people he's plagiarizing trump my concern for a scammer's mental health. But if we can get Amazon to stay on top of this, there won't be any need for further negative reviews.

[spike]

0 of 6 people found the following review helpful:

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Pay Attention everyone " AUTHOR PAVE TSUPRUK HERE, December 29, 2005
Reviewer:"Author " Pavel Tsupruk (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2I1WQ27YYTHRU/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Auburn, Washington USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2I1WQ27YYTHRU/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Who ever this person is they don't want someone else to have success that is why they keep putting me down. '' TAKE ALL OF MY INFORMATION TO YOUR HEART AND WHAT I'M ABOUT TO TELL YOU. When I first started writing this book and I always made sure that I'm finding the right source for everyone that is when I went into a more serious research. I took all of my research and compared it to some of the other researchers and what I found is that Doctors are Hiding alot of Information from thier Cancer Patients and if they would tell them then they would lose their Licence and would be put to jell. This book took me a whole year and I did find the Facts that proves that Cancer can be Preventable. You know something It doesn't hurt me in anyway that this person is trying to ruin my book cause there is someone that is there to help me that is GOD. When I finished this book I gave my book into God's hands and told him that if works then Let everyone be healed but if it doesn't then don't let it get published and as you can see GOD let it get Published cause he knows that it has Truth in it and no lies. I just hope that this person finds peace and love in his heart and stops doing this cause what goes around comes around. SO MAY GOD BLESS EACH READER AND REALLY SHOW THEM THAT MY BOOK IS THE TRUTH. GOD BLESSa

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Ok...doctors are going to jell. Wasn't that in a really bad horror movie? Where people turned to jello?

And it took him a whole year to write it! Whoo Hoo! That's a lot of work!

[Dawno]

Yes indeed. Much as I dislike plagarists and scammers and people who take advantage of the desperate, watching this guy look less and less and less sane is...frightening. And sad. Quit poking him, please.

May I refer you to my post above? It's not Pavel I'm fighting against, it's people like her I'm fighting for. I couldn't care less about his phony reviews until he starts cutting and pasting the words of someone who has had a re-occurance of breast cancer and is fighting other problems as well, using her heartfelt endorsement of a book that actually HELPED her to tout his scam.

I can't wait to get my hands on that copy of his book. If so much as one sentence is from an un-cited source he's toast. If I have to hire an attorney to write letters to Amazon, I can afford it and I will.

[Bufty]

Where did you get that from Spike? That one's long gone and the numbers have dropped to 13.

[NancyMehl]

I have to say first off that it makes me furious when someone uses God as a way to cover up their dishonesty.

Moving along...could this guy really believe his book will save people? Sure. Does he know he's stealing comments from others and lying about his endorsements and sales? You bet. This negates anything good he might think he is trying to do.

I'm sorry. I don't believe in poking insane people either, but this is way out of the ballpark. There could actually be some poor, sick person out there who doesn't pick up on the horrible grammar and lack of professionalism in these bogus reviews. What about people who don't know much English? As ridiculous as we understand these "reviews" to be, there are people who may not realize it and buy the book.

And PA has allowed this to happen. This is a CLEAR message about the kind of company they are. They are as guilty as this kid.

Maybe guiltier.

Nancy

[MacAllister]

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Whoever you are stop trying to make the Book look bad stop., December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Pavel Tsupruk the Author (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2MDYMODXDX3P6/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9066606-3669450?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Auburn, Washington USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2MDYMODXDX3P6/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9066606-3669450?%5Fencoding=UTF8) Stop trying to make my book look bad please and I'm asking please stop. Email me at <edited out> and just tell me what you want and we can work it out and I'm asking you from the bottom of my hear Please stop writing all of those bad reviews please and I'm asking Please. Just email me and tell me what you want and I will give it to you but just please whoever you are and stop doing this to me. I'm am crying and asking you to stop writing all of these lies about my book please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please stop. Please stop stop and stop and leave my book alone. just email me and we can work this out.

Jenna, you want to do the honors?

[Celia Cyanide]

If this guy were a novelist writing dozens of glowing reviews for himself, I'd never have said a word-- but my concern for the people he's trying to fool and the people he's plagiarizing trump my concern for a scammer's mental health. But if we can get Amazon to stay on top of this, there won't be any need for further negative reviews.

I agree. I don't think that a novelist writing fake reviews for himself is a problem. I don't think I would even bother to keep track of the reviews. It might be amusing, and then I would forget about it. But I am concerned about this guy. You can make the case that the reviews are "obviously" fake, but when you compare them to some of the other reviews on Amazon, someone might mistake them real reviews. We are all writers, and if we write reviews for Amazon, we try hard to make them look good. Other people don't. They're just trying to express their opinions, and they don't want to spend to much time worrying about spelling and punctuation. They aren't stupid, either. They just don't have polished writing skills, even though they want to let people know they liked a product. Also, not everyone is internet savvy, and they may go to Amazon, but not realize how easy it is to set up multiple accounts. So I do feel that some people, perhaps not very many, but a few, could think these are real reviews.

[NancyMehl]

Oh, sheesh.

Nancy

(My comment is in reference to Pavel's plea to leave him alone.)

[AnneMarble]

Pavel's at it again, and getting a little upset. Check out the highlighted part...where did he get the idea the scumbag was just changing names?
Maybe because his reviews were posted under different names, so he thinks his "rivals" are doing the same. Sort of like those insanely jealous spouses who turn out to be cheating on their partners -- they were cheating, so they figured the other person was cheating as well.

I suppose if he ever ends up facing a jury, he'll finally learn that multiple people can think he's a poopyhead. Either that or he'll think they're all one person with 12 heads.

[MacAllister]

I'm going to email him. Gently.

Unless Jenna wants to do it.

[Dawno]

I'm going to email him. Gently.

Unless Jenna wants to do it.

After the email I got from the woman he plagiarized, I know I can't write to Pavel and keep a civil tongue. Bless you for taking him on. I'm sure my b/p is thru the roof.

[spike]

Where did you get that from Spike? That one's long gone and the numbers have dropped to 13.

Looks like Pavel edited it. He must have realized that it made him look like a jerk.

It's back to 15 now. He is a busy boy!

[NancyMehl]

I wouldn't use your regular e-mail address.

Set up a temporary account with Hotmail (or whatever provider you want to use). That way if he floods you with e-mails, it won't mess up your primary account.

Nancy

[JennaGlatzer]

God! No, not really (edit: oops, this was a response to Mac about if I wanted the honors)-- I already said what I wanted to say in the review. I'm not sure how he doesn't get it. Or if he doesn't get it.

Sigh. Okay, I'll take a sleep break and see how I feel about this kid when I wake up.

Mac, I trust you implicitly. If anyone can get through to him, you can.

[spike]

1 of 4 people found the following review helpful:

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Whoever you are stop trying to make the Book look bad stop., December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Pavel Tsupruk the Author (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2MDYMODXDX3P6/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Auburn, Washington USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2MDYMODXDX3P6/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Stop trying to make my book look bad please and I'm asking please stop. Email me at PavelTsupruk@Hotmail.com and just tell me what you want and we can work it out and I'm asking you from the bottom of my hear Please stop writing all of those bad reviews please and I'm asking Please. Just email me and tell me what you want and I will give it to you but just please whoever you are and stop doing this to me. I'm am crying and asking you to stop writing all of these lies about my book please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please stop. Please stop stop and stop and leave my book alone. just email me and we can work this out.

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Should we email him and try to explain it?

And people like this deserve to be poked.

[Bufty]

Good luck. Either he genuinely needs help or he's very very clever - I'm out on that but have an open mind.I'm going to email him. Gently.

Unless Jenna wants to do it.

Spike - I'd edit out that e-mail addy - if someone wants to mail him they can make the effort to find it.

[rekirts]

So if Dawno gets his book and discovers there is plagiarism in the actual book, does anybody know if PA shares liability?

[MadScientistMatt]

Seriously, I'm collecting evidence. I'm going to read Pavel's book (and take lots of aspirin as I do) and the others he's copied reviews about, so I need to have the fake user reviews to refer to.

Go Dawno! In addition to wondering if he has plagiarized other books on cancer, there is one thing I am just dying to know...

Did Pavel pick the "No Editing" option?

[DeePower]

I have a really bad feeling about this. When his book doesn't sell, and it won't, Pavel will need to blame someone. He will blame whoever contacts him.

Remember he said those who disagree with him and his book should go to prison. Or burn in hell.

Dee

[NancyMehl]

Go Dawno! In addition to wondering if he has plagiarized other books on cancer, there is one thing I am just dying to know...

Did Pavel pick the "No Editing" option?

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Nancy

[MacAllister]

I sent him this: Pavel, you're obviously quite distressed over the reviews on your book, and I'm perplexed and alarmed that you don't seem to realize why you're encountering so much antagonism.

However, writing a book about Cancer--touting yourself as a medical expert, when you don't have any education in the field--is wrong. You can hurt people who are already desperate. It's something not to be taken lightly.

Plagiarizing reviews that real people have written about other books and trying to make it sound like they were written about your book, is wrong.

You've actually run afoul of a bunch of different people, here--there are multiple people outraged by your book, your marketing scheme, and your phony reviews--but most of the writers are especially furious over your plagiarism.

You're welcome to email me, should you wish to reply.

Thanks,
MacAllister Stone

Dee, I appreciate your concerns, and I believe they're valid. However, I'm not going to be afraid of this kid, just because he's a wingnut. I don't know how it is he just doesn't get it...but he doesn't get it.

I don't feel good about inflicting pain on him, but I also believe it's my responsibility--and everyones', really--to make things right, whenever we can.

[Dawno]

So if Dawno gets his book and discovers there is plagiarism in the actual book, does anybody know if PA shares liability?

I'd like to know the answer to that, too. :)

[NancyMehl]

I have a really bad feeling about this. When his book doesn't sell, and it won't, Pavel will need to blame someone. He will blame whoever contacts him.

Remember he said those who disagree with him and his book should go to prison. Or burn in hell.

Dee

This guy can't even spell prison.

And if he's in charge of heaven and hell, I'm already in a lot of trouble. <G>

But seriously...I'm with Dee. Maybe it's better to let Amazon handle him - and whomever he's plagarized. Making yourself a target may not be a smart move.

Nancy

[spike]

So if Dawno gets his book and discovers there is plagiarism in the actual book, does anybody know if PA shares liability?

We can only hope!

[MacAllister]

I wouldn't use your regular e-mail address.

Set up a temporary account with Hotmail (or whatever provider you want to use). That way if he floods you with e-mails, it won't mess up your primary account. That's excellent advice, Nancy! Thank you. :)



I wish I'd seen it before I sent off the email.

*sigh*

[NancyMehl]

That's excellent advice, Nancy! Thank you. http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif



I wish I'd seen it before I sent off the email.

*sigh*

Oh well, Mac.

If he gives you any trouble tell us. We'll come to your defense! Dawno can be quite frightening when she wants to be...<G>

Nancy

[JennaGlatzer]

Yes, and Aconite has menacing eyebrows.

Okay, okay, I'm going to bed!

[Dawno]

Oh well, Mac.

If he gives you any trouble tell us. We'll come to your defense! Dawno can be quite frightening when she wants to be...<G>

Nancy

Yes, I can:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/Ebil_Librarian/mamaghoul.jpg

[NancyMehl]

Yikes!

Someone grab that baby and run!!!!!! http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/emoticonsscared.gif

Nancy

[Kevin Yarbrough]

I think we can actually get PA with this kids book. They knowingly put it out there knowing what it was about and they knew the kid was not qualified to write a book in this subject. Read this.

"Kevin Trudeau Banned from Infomercials

Trudeau Settles Claims in Connection with Coral Calcium Supreme and Biotape

A Federal Trade Commission settlement with Kevin Trudeau – a prolific marketer who has either appeared in or produced hundreds of infomercials – broadly bans him from appearing in, producing, or disseminating future infomercials that advertise any type of product, service, or program to the public, except for truthful infomercials for informational publications. In addition, Trudeau cannot make disease or health benefits claims for any type of product, service, or program in any advertising, including print, radio, Internet, television, and direct mail solicitations, regardless of the format and duration. Trudeau agreed to these prohibitions and to pay the FTC $2 million to settle charges that he falsely claimed that a coral calcium product can cure cancer and other serious diseases and that a purported analgesic called Biotape can permanently cure or relieve severe pain."

The kid is claiming that he can cure cancer and PA, printing the book and they are very picky with what they accept, published it. They must have read it and believed the kid was right. Practicing medicince without a license? False advertising.

[NancyMehl]

Trudeau has a book out now. Has anything happened to the publisher in reference to his problems?

My guess is that the publisher has some kind of disclaimer in effect when it comes to a book like this.

PA would probably not be held responsible for the claims of an author. This is just speculation on my part.

Jaws?

Nancy

[xhouseboy]

This guy can't even spell prison.

And if he's in charge of heaven and hell, I'm already in a lot of trouble. <G>

But seriously...I'm with Dee. Maybe it's better to let Amazon handle him - and whomever he's plagarized. Making yourself a target may not be a smart move.

Nancy

In a world without PA, this guy's book probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. In the beginning he was their target, and it might be something that could backfire big-time on them (hopefully).

My gut instinct is that he's a scammer. But assuming that he's not, and that he truly believes all his delusional claims that he's a genius, etc, then PA provided him with this burning wreck of a vehicle to drive off a cliff in.

Only PA would have published something that makes such wild and unsupported claims, and if he is just some poor sod wandering a bit off the beaten track, I hope he doesn't suffer too much for it. The final conclusion should be that PA is made to answer for this.

[Christine N.]

Changing the subject just a little (since I don't want to clog up the NEPAT thread)...

Ed and Soots, I'm sorry you closed your board - it was a fun place, and I enjoyed my time there. I know you had your reasons for it, whatever they were.

And that kid is a whackadoo. Just my non professional opinion.

[ResearchGuy]

Trudeau has a book out now. Has anything happened to the publisher in reference to his problems?...
He self-published. See http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1027/p13s02-bogn.html for a paragraph on that. The article also cites Atlanta Nights, by the way.

--Ken

[rekirts]

I did a bit of googling and didn't find a definitive answer, but I get the feeling that the worst that would happen to PA if Cancer Boy plagiarized in his book is that they might have to take it off the market--which would be a good thing, but wouldn't have much effect on PA.

[ResearchGuy]

I did a bit of googling and didn't find a definitive answer, but I get the feeling that the worst that would happen to PA if Cancer Boy plagiarized in his book is that they might have to take it off the market--which would be a good thing, but wouldn't have much effect on PA.
I suspect that the copyright owner(s) could make life miserable for the kid if he plagiarized, but that it would suffice to have the book simply evaporate and they would not in fact crush him. Layman's opinion.

--Ken

[mdin]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34595404

his myspace

[Bufty]

I'm with you on this one, X. In the final analysis he's a published author solely because of PA.

To me, either the kid's a genuine nasty scammer or in his own way he believes he's right - for a reason. Maybe he's trying desperately to bury or overcome a painful cancer related experience - I just don't know. Lonely? Attention seeking? And I don't know the content of his book. That in itself may provide answers.


In a world without PA, this guy's book probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. In the beginning he was their target, and it might be something that could backfire big-time on them (hopefully).

My gut instinct is that he's a scammer. But assuming that he's not, and that he truly believes all his delusional claims that he's a genius, etc, then PA provided him with this burning wreck of a vehicle to drive off a cliff in.

Only PA would have published something that makes such wild and unsupported claims, and if he is just some poor sod wandering a bit off the beaten track, I hope he doesn't suffer too much for it. The final conclusion should be that PA is made to answer for this.

[Andrew Jameson]

[Me: Quit poking him, please.]

May I refer you to my post above? It's not Pavel I'm fighting against, it's people like her I'm fighting for. I couldn't care less about his phony reviews until he starts cutting and pasting the words of someone who has had a re-occurance of breast cancer and is fighting other problems as well, using her heartfelt endorsement of a book that actually HELPED her to tout his scam.Sorry; I was unclear. By all means, Amazon ought to remove his plagarized "reviews". In fact, I think the best solution would probably be for Amazon to stop carrying his book. They have no obligation to stock every single book, and if Pavel can't play nice, he can stay out of their sandbox. Please, keep reporting things to Amazon.

What I *do* object to are the negative reviews on Amazon. Yes, this guy's an idiot. Yes, he's a liar and a plagarist and a scammer. Normally, I'd say you should expose a scumbag like him.

But in this case, I have the distinct impression that this guy is not really sane. "Reviewing" his book is obviously pushing his buttons, and if he's truly got a problem, he can't help it. Hounding a scammer is one thing; hounding someone with a mental problem is something else entirely.

So yes, get Amazon to quietly delete his "reviews," and maybe even his book. But poking him publicly? Not so noble, IMO.

[writerjenn]

For what its worth, I don't think the kid is a nutjob. I think he's a scam artist. I think he discovered a way to make money (off the backs of the ill, no less) and that is all he cares about.
The meltdown, IMHO, is because of age. He's not mature enough to handle the criticism that goes with such controversial subject matter.


Jenn

I'm sorry. I don't believe in poking insane people either, but this is way out of the ballpark. Nancy

[NicoleJLeBoeuf]

If I end up on the same cell block as you and Nancy, Jenna, can we form a trio and sing "Nobody Knows the Tsupruk I Seen" ???I'll come visit y'all just so we can form a quartet. Can't sing without a bari, as the bumper sticker says.

What's left? We could play Scammer Bingo...I'm just waiting on "creates email chain asking readers to send him postcards."

please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please stop.

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[NicoleJLeBoeuf]

Sorry; I was unclear. By all means, Amazon ought to remove his plagarized "reviews". In fact, I think the best solution would probably be for Amazon to stop carrying his book. They have no obligation to stock every single book, and if Pavel can't play nice, he can stay out of their sandbox. Please, keep reporting things to Amazon.

What I *do* object to are the negative reviews on Amazon. Yes, this guy's an idiot. Yes, he's a liar and a plagarist and a scammer. Normally, I'd say you should expose a scumbag like him.

But in this case, I have the distinct impression that this guy is not really sane. "Reviewing" his book is obviously pushing his buttons, and if he's truly got a problem, he can't help it. Hounding a scammer is one thing; hounding someone with a mental problem is something else entirely.

So yes, get Amazon to quietly delete his "reviews," and maybe even his book. But poking him publicly? Not so noble, IMO.Negative reviews aren't necessarily just "pushing his buttons," I think. In the meantime while we're waiting for Amazon to remove his book, negative reviews of his book have the effect of warning others away. As long as a review is written with that goal in mind, it serves a worthwhile purpose.

[rekirts]

In a world without PA, this guy's book probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. In the beginning he was their target, and it might be something that could backfire big-time on them (hopefully).

My gut instinct is that he's a scammer. But assuming that he's not, and that he truly believes all his delusional claims that he's a genius, etc, then PA provided him with this burning wreck of a vehicle to drive off a cliff in.

Only PA would have published something that makes such wild and unsupported claims, and if he is just some poor sod wandering a bit off the beaten track, I hope he doesn't suffer too much for it. The final conclusion should be that PA is made to answer for this.

It should be, but I doubt that legally it will be. Of course that's just my inexpert opinion, and I really hope I'm wrong.

[ResearchGuy]

For what it's worth, I don't think the kid is a nutjob. I think he's a scam artist. ...
He apparently has considerable experience trying to promote pyramid schemes (in which he posts his name and address). Very Googleable on that score. (If that is his real address, then he is awfully naive.) The kid seems to be a through-and-through con artist. But that does not preclude his also being a nutjob.

I notice that he presents himself in his profile as "post grad." He must mean post high school graduate, not what everyone ELSE means by postgraduate.

Sad fact of PA is that any PA author--even those who have written fine books, as some have--are cheek-by-jowl with the likes of Cancer Boy.

--Ken

[MacAllister]

Haven't heard anything back from him.

[ResearchGuy]

It should be, but I doubt that legally it will be. Of course that's just my inexpert opinion, and I really hope I'm wrong.

The First Amendment provides a lot of protection, even for crackpots. (Consider the convicted con man and best-selling author Kevin Trudeau). Not for plagiarists, though.

--Ken

[spike]

Haven't heard anything back from him.

Neither have I.

[rekirts]

The First Amendment provides a lot of protection, even for crackpots. (Consider the convicted con man and best-selling author Kevin Trudeau). Not for plagiarists, though.

--Ken

Yes, Cancer Boy could get in a lot of trouble if he did plagiarize, but I don't think much of the shyte will stick to PA. That's the rub.

It makes sense, really, because how can a publisher know something has been plagiarized unless they are familiar with everything that has ever been written? But the author certianly knows when he's copied work that isn't his own.

[writerjenn]

Dinner break is over, he's posted two new reviews. Amazingly, they're all five stars.

Jenn

[ResearchGuy]

Dinner break is over, he's posted two new reviews. Amazingly, they're all five stars.

Jenn
His latest two, as of a minute ago, plagiarize from reviews here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895295105/103-9484724-6168626?v=glance&n=283155

--Ken

[book_maven]

Is anyone notifying the writers of the plagiarized reviews about his lifting their material? It seems to me--and correct me if I am wrong--that if Amazon got enough complaints from those who are being plagiarized that might be enough for them to remove him and his book.

[Memphis Ed]

This may just be his weak attempt to get laid.

[MacAllister]

Ugh. At this point, I can't imagine that the book isn't essentially completely swiped from other stuff.

It'll be interesting to see what Dawno finds.

[ResearchGuy]

EDIT addition:

I am pleased this book was available when I reached out for it. The book helps everyone express themselves at a critical time in their lives. It helps People discuss their fears and worries about their cancer in a constructive, helpful manner. Frequently, we adults have difficulty helping our children understand and discuss their deep seated anxieties and apprehensions. This book truly can be a lifesaver. I could recommend it more strongly then anyother book.
This author is a very sensitive person who obviously has a deep understanding of the personality of very young children.While this book covers all aspects of all cancers , it focusses heavily on seed implantation. Its a great resource for this. I've been treated by one of the authors in Seattle. This book can help you evaluate different treatment options with the up-to-date facts.

This book has a unique question-and-answer format. The questions -- from patients just like me -- are answered by nearly two dozen doctors from all across the U.S. who are experienced, up-to-date experts in the diagnosis and treatment of cancer. This impressive 224-page compilation is the creation of the Drs. Peter Grimm (no relation), John Blasko, and John Sylvester, principal physicians at the renown Seattle Prostate Institute, and pioneers of radioactive seed implants to combat cancer at it's source. All the basics are covered in this book -- from PSAs to prostate biopsies -- as well as side-effects such as incontinence and sexual dysfunction during and after the various treatments, whether surgical removal, radiation, or hormone therapy. Especially welcome (and difficult to find elsewhere) is information about the effects of certain vitamins, dietary supplements, and foods on the prostate in regard to cancer. A brief but very worthwhile chapter deals with the ways wives or partners can assist their men who are fighting cancer. This book help's us overcome our fears and tell us what to do if we are in a life or death situation. This book is recommended to all Cancer Patients and people to wan't to stay Cancer Free. Thank's to Pavel the Awesome Author


Looks like he went outside of Amazon to adapt this one (which I had to settle for in cached form): http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:VNw7_pLZ-24J:www.savedot.com/cgi-bin/search-item_id-1890504335-search_type-AsinSearch-locale-us.html+%22I+am+pleased+this+book+was+available+wh en+I+reached+out+for+it.%22+helps+everyone+express +themselves+%22&hl=en

EDIT: but he also snaggled a bunch from a review of a book on prostate cancer at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0071422560/103-9484724-6168626 -- AND he wrote some of His trademark Oddly Capitalized stuff.

--Ken

[xhouseboy]

[
QUOTE=writerjenn]Dinner break is over, he's posted two new reviews. Amazingly, they're all five stars.
Jenn
[/QUOTE]

And he obviously didn't write them himself. They also look to be blagged from some other source (edit - I've now discovered that they are - you guys are digging up new information faster than I can write).

Strange thing is, he appears to have slightly changed tack and dispensed with the usual claims of having discovered a cancer cure. He now appears to be promoting his book mainly as dietary advice to supplement more conventional treatment.

Without wishing to sound too cynical, maybe his plea for help was designed to show him how to dance around the issues that everyone was so outraged about. If so, he's become a bit more shrewd and isn't about to give up too easily.

[ResearchGuy]

An aside. A couple of decades ago, for four years I was an outside thesis reader in Education and in Management for a graduate program. I read portions of hundreds of master's theses and found a share of plagiarism in the manuscripts. Back then, I had to painstakingly track it down in libraries, often tipped off by inconsistent writing styles or peculiar lapses in citations. I doubtless shocked some of the miscreants, who could not have conceived that I would find their sources or flag their omission of quotation marks. It is WAY easier to just Google a phrase ...

--Ken

P.S. Can you imagine what a review of Cancer Boy's high school term papers and essays would reveal? (And college papers, if he is in college.)

[SC Harrison]

I think we can actually get PA with this kids book. They knowingly put it out there knowing what it was about and they knew the kid was not qualified to write a book in this subject.

Part of me thinks you may be right Kevin, even though clause 27 of my contract says:

The Author covenants and represents that the said literary work...contains no matter that, when published, will be libelous or otherwise unlawful...or that it contains anything lebelous or illegal.

But then in 14 (b) you see:

The Publisher reserves the right to delete, modify...part or parts of the said literary work may be considered, by the publisher, to be against the public welfare.

All that being said (read), since PA claims to be a "partner" of the author in this publishing venture, and not a vanity press, they evaluate and accept manuscripts on their merit. Their exclusive publishing rights of said literary work also denote "ownership", and all that entails.

You can't have both, PA. You're either a vanity with no responsibility, or a "traditional" publisher with a lot of responsibility.

All this thinking has made me tired.

[ResearchGuy]

The flap keeps blowing open on the sideshow:

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Get a life "Memphis Ed" your False Reviews are getting Us Sick and Tired, December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Jarred Holsing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A1HLR1KXUN3KJW/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Florida, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1HLR1KXUN3KJW/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Please Memphis Ed you gotta get a life cause yourstuff on here is becoming a headache to everyone. You could keep writing but eventually you won't be able too anymore cause amazon.com won't allow it. Just go get a life. Saying that the Author is Copying from other reviews Please you just don't have anything to say. No matter what this book will keep selling. You gotta go see a doctor cause from my Point of view your Mentally ill and you have the Syptoms. I guess me and you are going to have a war cause I will back this author up. So you gotta go to the Hospital and if you want I can give you a couple of names and maybe refer to them if you want. GET A LIFE "Memphis Ed" CAUSE ALL OF YOUR REVIEWS REALLY SUCK AND DON'T MAKE NO SENSE.

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http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-1-0.gif Good grief, December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Memphis Ed (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A3DY795G1PFF7X/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3DY795G1PFF7X/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)In addition to plagiarizing reviews for other books, Pavel is not intelligent enough to read them thoroughly enough to make them applicable.

This is a farce. I am concerned about people who are seriously interested in cancer cures being interrupted by this drivel.

As an author, I am insulted that this guy refers to himself as such. He gives us all a bad name.

Please do not consider this book.

Pavel, please either get some real good professional advice or good counseling, because you need one or the other. Research writing ethics and professionalism. Your book and your efforts are being very much discussed by other authors and you are not doing yourself many favors within the profession.

As for readers, stay away from this book.


On another topic, it may well be that the authors whose words Cancer Boy plagiarized for his little book did know what THEY were talking about. Maybe the content is just fine, as far as it goes, because he stole it all from reliable sources.

--Ken

[Sheryl Nantus]

I'll wait for Jaws to make an appearance and give his opinion on the subject - I do think that it's likely he's ignoring the actual emails that are being sent to him and now just figures that by flooding Amazon with fake reviews that it'll all just go away eventually.

I'm not buying the mentally-ill act either. He obviously has enough savvy to put together an elaborate scam targeting a segment of the population that would and could grasp at anything to stay alive - that qualifies him for any and all attempts at stopping him, in my book. Legally, of course. As for his new attempts to reclassify his book as nothing more than helpful hints, he ain't going to get it by plagarising even MORE reviews from other books. Amazon's got his number and I daresay he's on a permanent flag for each and every time his IP hits the site.

No sympathy from me - whatever or whoever he is, I hope he's got a sweet seat in the Hot Spot for trying to perputrate this fraud on the public.

'course, I'm going to jail with the rest of ya.

I call the top bunk!

:D

[SC Harrison]

I've had the Syptoms for years, and nobody has taken the time to recommend help. They just point and laugh, which is truly painful and embarassing.

[spike]

Oh my. I almost wet myself when I read the email reply cancer boy sent me. I did the underlining.

I don't know what you want but this book is a Proven tool for everyone who
wants to overcome Cancer and I will in my power get this book into all
Doctor's throughout the Globe and show them what I have to offer. The only
reason someone would write bad reviews is because they have hatred on the
Author and No I am not writing the reviews and I don't know where you got
that from because I"m too busy With Researching cause I will bee the only
person who will find a real Cure for this disease and just watch and see.
I"m born be very smart and I will use all of my Smartness to prove to
everyone that I can be a cure for Cancer. I will be the next Bill Gates and
I will find a cure for Cancer I promise and I will keep it. Thank you


Sincerely Author,

Pavel Tsupruk

OK, now he thinks he is some sort of faith healer, "I can be a cure for Cancer".

[ResearchGuy]

More for the record. Where is Rod Serling when we really need him?


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Reviewer:Jarred Holsing " Here to back this Awesome Author up " (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A3QDD04NCPZJ4H/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Florida, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3QDD04NCPZJ4H/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)I really hate it when some rapidly keeps non sense up and never stops it just pisses me off. To all you reader's I"m sorry for this but I have to back Pavel up cause he didn't do anything to deserve it so just read the Good reviews while I battle with this Scumbag. If you wouldn't be Metally ill then you wouldn't keep doing this but in my view you are and you need help. Your state is close to Florida's and it has nothing but Flat lands everywhere. Me and you will battle cause I'm sick and tired of some that keeps Harassing this Succeeding Author so We will battle untill you stop.

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http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Get a Life Ed you really suck and We all agree on it, December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Jerred Holsing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A21R507H87P1XN/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Florida, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A21R507H87P1XN/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)you really suck and all of your reviews are nothing but a bunch of baloni. All you do is just put people down. You really really suck and I will always back this author up in everyway. Trying to tell people not to consider this book and who the heck are his wanna be dad I don't think so. Everytime you write a bad review I will always be here to write bad things about you and eventuall tell everyone online who you really are. You moved from Washington to ____________ a year ago so just keep it up and I will have a big dicussion on here.


I would say this is edging into thinly veiled threats.

--Ken

[DaveKuzminski]

Actually, they are. I just dug out my 2/1/05 through 7/31/05 statement and they very boldly tell me that 3 were sold at 40% off and 12 were sold at 14%. It does NOT say, however, where.

Oh, wow, this really sounds bad. Just think how much more could be made if they skim extra profits out of their authors' royalties since those are based on net.

[spike]

I just got another reply from cancer boy. He thinks I'm someone named Dr*y.

Dear A****y B**o,






Dr*y I know it's you doing this and stop. B**o you are
doing nothing good for yourself in doing this so just stop. Dr*y I know your
jealous and all that but that don't mean that you could keep harrasing me.
Dr*y I thought me and you were cool so now what what happened. This is dr*y
and I could feel it in my heart.


I don't know how to respond to this one!

[ResearchGuy]

I just got another reply from cancer boy. He thinks I'm someone named Dr*y.

...

I don't know how to respond to this one!

We might be able to zero in on a DSM IV diagnosis before long. I have my copy nearby ... We're definitely talking Axis II.

--Ken

[xhouseboy]

Hasn't he got the sense to just dispense with the Capitals when he's claiming to be somebody else who's willing to jump in and punch for him.

Stand Aside Pavel, I'll handle This...... Right you Lot, let Me tell you Who I am....

It wouldn't make too much of a difference, but at least it wouldn't be so friggin obvious.

[DaveKuzminski]

I suspect that the copyright owner(s) could make life miserable for the kid if he plagiarized, but that it would suffice to have the book simply evaporate and they would not in fact crush him. Layman's opinion.

--Ken

I would be happy if the kid and PA were taken to court with the kid ordered not to ever write another false medical book and PA ordered to remove his book from publication, refund the money, and instructed to read every book they accept before it's published.

[reph]

Ken, does Axis II include paranoia? That's what the trouble smells like from here.

[spike]

I would be happy if the kid and PA were taken to court with the kid ordered not to ever write another false medical book and PA ordered to remove his book from publication, refund the money, and instructed to read every book they accept before it's published.

I'm not sure if PA has any liability in this, but if they were taken to court, I believe they would have to admit that they were really just a printer, not a publisher.

Maybe? We can hope!

[DaveKuzminski]

But in this case, I have the distinct impression that this guy is not really sane. "Reviewing" his book is obviously pushing his buttons, and if he's truly got a problem, he can't help it. Hounding a scammer is one thing; hounding someone with a mental problem is something else entirely.

Hate to bring this up, but an article I read but can't provide a reference for at this moment cited a study that showed most scammers, frauds, flim-flam artists are individuals with mental problems. This kid fits the mold. He doesn't deserve a pass on this because he's a kid or because he has mental problems.

[DaveKuzminski]

I may have to create a new section in P&E to list authors whose plagiarism is so outrageous that justice demands they be outed.

Any opinions? If so, please post them here or in a separate topic. I'd like it to be a public discussion.

[mdin]

Ken: I agree we should never do anything to put money in the pockets of PA, but I agree with Dawno's decision to buy the book. It'll end up costing PA much more in headaches alone if the book turns out to be stolen.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=34595404

his myspace

If you look at his webpage, the sole user group he belongs to is the MLM get rich quick one. (He also calls himself Paul there, which backs up the previous contention he was involved in the pyramid scheme we were looking at earlier.) Also, if you search his email address, you find some more get rick quick stuff he's attempted.

He's not crazy. He's just irritated his idea of writing a book on cancer has taken so long and has suddenly blown up in his face. It's another scheme, one he probably thought was original.

Based on the way he writes, I'll bet three dollars his book is either completely illegible or completely lifted.

In the next day or so he'll surely find this place, especially since Google archives all of this stuff. He'll probably first come off with a poor me, my book is really super 'tude. And then he'll get nasty, then banned.

[Sheryl Nantus]

This kid fits the mold. He doesn't deserve a pass on this because he's a kid or because he has mental problems.

Exactly.

I can't post another review 'cause of the silly Amazon thang, but it's pretty obvious that he's seeing each negative review as some sort of a personal attack co-ordinated by someone who he's either jealous of or who shrugged him off - I'm betting an ex-girlfriend or someone he wanted to BE a girlfriend.

Still, keep reporting those threats to Amazon and getting them cut out. I'm sure he's upset that Amazon doesn't See The Light and take all of the bad reviews down while leaving his rants up. It's getting pretty obvious that we're dealing with a juvenile here who's getting his panties in a bunch over being questioned.

Next one that sends him an email - point the puppy here. We'll see how he deals with real communication.

:D

[Memphis Ed]

I'm going to invite him over here. What are your thoughts on this before I do this?

[reph]

I'm going to invite him over here. What are your thoughts on this before I do this?
One thought: wait until you're sure Jenna's awake and willing to deal with it. Jenna keeps irregular hours.

[Memphis Ed]

One thought: wait until you're sure Jenna's awake and willing to deal with it. Jenna keeps irregular hours.

Great advice...thanks. I have always lived on "Ready, Fire, Aim", so this is what I needed.

If this douchebag was writing about flowers, music, or plumbing, I wouldn't be so annoyed. I lost my mother to cancer, have friends and family who have suffered from it, and consider this to be an atrocity, so I am annoyed and pissed off at this guy.

That said, your advice is well said and accepted.

[DaveKuzminski]

Better yet, open a temporary forum using one of the various free forum services. So what if it has ads at the top? Set it up and post a few topics. Then let others know where to sign up and finally give him an invite.

[spike]

Great advice...thanks. I have always lived on "Ready, Fire, Aim", so this is what I needed.

If this douchebag was writing about flowers, music, or plumbing, I wouldn't be so annoyed. I lost my mother to cancer, have friends and family who have suffered from it, and consider this to be an atrocity, so I am annoyed and pissed off at this guy.

That said, your advice is well said and accepted.

You are correct. I lost my husband to Cancer. The local newspaper wrote a small article about us, and his struggle. After that, I was innundated with calls and mailings from scammers.

Problem was, toward the end, I would have done anything if I thought it would have let him live one more day. Luckily, we belonged to a support group and I had a buddy from that group who stayed with me and made sure I didn't get taken advantage.

This kid deserves worse than we can ever dish out. And I probably wouldn't bother, but he just keeps asking for it. Who am I to say no?

[AnneMarble]

I would say this is edging into thinly veiled threats.

Yeah, that's definitely going wayyy over the top. Maybe he thinks people will stop posting if we're scared? Or maybe he really means it. Ow. Maybe we need to wait for the shark to swim by.

On a lighter note :D, I'm still trying to get my hands around the concept of somebody being "Metally ill..." I bought a Judas Priest boxed set, does that make me Metally Ill? I hope so.
:banana:

[AnneMarble]

If this douchebag was writing about flowers, music, or plumbing, I wouldn't be so annoyed. I lost my mother to cancer, have friends and family who have suffered from it, and consider this to be an atrocity, so I am annoyed and pissed off at this guy.
Ditto here. Also, later year, I lost my uterus (and various other assorted attached organ thingies) to cancer, so this makes it personal. Even if I was fairly lucky in the type I had, etc., I still know what it can be like to hear a diagnosis from a doctor. Even before I heard the diagnosis, I had a message from the doctor's office telling me to call them as soon as possible. That was even scarier! But at least I'm OK now, and it's not as if I was using that darned organ. (Although that was probably one of the most extreme PMS cures ever... :D)

Anyway, I know I was lucky, and I also know that others (such as my aunt and and uncle, and the nice neighbor I had when growing up, and one of my favorite teachers) weren't so lucky. So it's easy to imagine a patient or a loved one stumbling across that book and making a big mistake. There are those periods when there are no visible bad reviews. And someone who is desperate might be more likely to believe that the bad reviews are from one person with a grudge (just as PA authors often believe in misconceptions about "bashers").

[spike]

Do you want money to just leave me alone or what. I"ll tell you what since
you were the one that wrote all of those bad reviews if you count and
rewrite good things about my book then I'll pay you. Just tell your real
name and everything will be cool please do that. Since you made my sales
rank go back up it will be your job to make them go back down.

Ok, now we see what Cancer boy is really up to. It's the oldest trick in the book. When someone finds out about your scam, invite them to join you.

[Sassenach]

Pavel's responses to my emails.

[I]
I don't know what you want but this book is a Proven tool for
everyone who
wants to overcome Cancer and I will in my power get this book into
all
Doctor's throughout the Globe and show them what I have to offer. The
only
reason someone would write bad reviews is because they have hatred on
the
Author and No I am not writing the reviews and I don't know where you
got
that from because I"m too busy With Researching cause I will bee the
only
person who will find a real Cure for this disease and just watch and
see.
I"m born be very smart and I will use all of my Smartness to prove to
everyone that I can be a cure for Cancer. I will be the next Bill
Gates and
I will find a cure for Cancer I promise and I will keep it. Thank you


Sincerely Author,

Pavel Tsupruk


Look if you want money to just leave me alone that I will do that but
just
tell me. You made my sales rankings go back up so now it's your job
to make
them go back down. I am not a scammer because my book contains
nothing but
the truth and I have nothing to worry about.


He's clearly delusional--to say nothing of misunderstanding how sales rankings work.

Since he asked if I wanted money, I'll suggest a donation to the City of Hope National Medical Center, where my sister is being treated.

[spike]

Ditto here. Also, later year, I lost my uterus (and various other assorted attached organ thingies) to cancer, so this makes it personal. Even if I was fairly lucky in the type I had, etc., I still know what it can be like to hear a diagnosis from a doctor. Even before I heard the diagnosis, I had a message from the doctor's office telling me to call them as soon as possible. That was even scarier! But at least I'm OK now, and it's not as if I was using that darned organ. (Although that was probably one of the most extreme PMS cures ever... :D)

Anyway, I know I was lucky, and I also know that others (such as my aunt and and uncle, and the nice neighbor I had when growing up, and one of my favorite teachers) weren't so lucky. So it's easy to imagine a patient or a loved one stumbling across that book and making a big mistake. There are those periods when there are no visible bad reviews. And someone who is desperate might be more likely to believe that the bad reviews are from one person with a grudge (just as PA authors often believe in misconceptions about "bashers").

Cancer sucks! I wish you the best.

[Memphis Ed]

After quick and thorough advice from "my peeps" (and you know who you are), I am going to leave the little prick alone.

I'll be watching, simply because it is a train wreck, but I am going to abstain from fronting the guy because he is 19 and this could be pretty impactful to him.

That said, this has got to rank with some of the classic PA scenarios, of which we can all watch and enjoy.

[AnneMarble]

Cancer sucks! I wish you the best.
Thanks! :Sun:

My CAT scan this summer came out well. No fur balls. ;)

[ResearchGuy]

Two more reviews just popped up ... one kid-like ("most coolest book"), and one partly plagiarized from a review here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1573222224/103-9484724-6168626?v=glance&n=283155

Fascinating.

I wonder whether the books from whose reviews he is plagiarizing provide a roadmap to where he might have glommed the text of his little book ...

--Ken

[NancyMehl]

I will in my power get this book into all Doctor's throughout the Globe

That could be painful.

Should we warn all the doctors?

Nancy

[NancyMehl]

After quick and thorough advice from "my peeps" (and you know who you are), I am going to leave the little prick alone.

I'll be watching, simply because it is a train wreck, but I am going to abstain from fronting the guy because he is 19 and this could be pretty impactful to him.

That said, this has got to rank with some of the classic PA scenarios, of which we can all watch and enjoy.

That might be best, Ed. After all, you don't want to be a "Dirtbage."

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/smilies/Emoterofl5.gif

Nancy

[ResearchGuy]

Work Avoidance just does not get any better than this:


0 of 2 people found the following review helpful:

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif It's not you agian Ed. You just keep changing your name., December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Jarred Holsing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A1SOBV9C6ZROBC/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Florida, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1SOBV9C6ZROBC/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Man just freaken leave this author alone you piece of dirt and a scumbag. You just want the author to fail well your wrong because " Prevent Cancer Today " is the best and you gotta stop hating. Damm and I'm sorry for my Language but man you really can piss people off. The funny thing is that you keep changing your name to make it seem like your someone else when really your not so stop do this. This Author is more smart then you cause he has what it takes to Prove to people about Cancer and you don't. And no my real name is Jared Holing and I live in Miami on the west side. The just really hate it when a Dirtbage like you won't go and harass a different book you wanna know why cause you are Jealous that your not Successful and this author is. ATTENTION ALL READERS: This person never even read the book so he can't judge it just because of the way it looks. See this Fake reviewer is a Scammer him self cause he uses different names just to write a review. I highly recommend this Novel to all Seekers. Thanks for your Up most attention


Among the delicious features of this one, he is inconsistent on his name, calls the book a Novel [sic], and includes several lovely malapropisms.

Someone just better work this into a Novel. This kid is a character waiting to happen. Don't be a Dirtbage! Go for Success!

--Ken

P.S. A minute later this jewel (ask yourself why the roommate did not just lend the book, eh?)

0 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif I bought this book like 10 minutes ago. I like the way it sounds, December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Mike Petterson (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A3UPEM84X86MXV/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Alaska,USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3UPEM84X86MXV/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-9484724-6168626?%5Fencoding=UTF8)I didn't even bother paying attention to that Hatred Reviewer cause I already know he's nothing but a lie himself. You can tell that it's the same person cause the other person said " Please do not buy this book and this guy says " again please do not buy this book. See you can tell that he's trying to ruin this book and trying to make us Amazon.com Customers believe him but I say no to him and believe that he's nothing but shame. " This book is a Must reader just like everyone else tells me. My roomate told me about this book and how precious it is so that is what made me buy it. This Author is Sincere to everything.

[spike]

1 of 5 people found the following review helpful:

http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif It's not you agian Ed. You just keep changing your name., December 29, 2005
Reviewer:Jarred Holsing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A1SOBV9C6ZROBC/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (Florida, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1SOBV9C6ZROBC/ref=cm_cr_auth/002-6975095-2680855?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Man just freaken leave this author alone you piece of dirt and a scumbag. You just want the author to fail well your wrong because " Prevent Cancer Today " is the best and you gotta stop hating. Damm and I'm sorry for my Language but man you really can piss people off. The funny thing is that you keep changing your name to make it seem like your someone else when really your not so stop do this. This Author is more smart then you cause he has what it takes to Prove to people about Cancer and you don't. And no my real name is Jared Holing and I live in Miami on the west side. The just really hate it when a Dirtbage like you won't go and harass a different book you wanna know why cause you are Jealous that your not Successful and this author is. ATTENTION ALL READERS: This person never even read the book so he can't judge it just because of the way it looks. See this Fake reviewer is a Scammer him self cause he uses different names just to write a review. I highly recommend this Novel to all Seekers. Thanks for your Up most attention



Poor Jared. He isn't sure if his name is spelled Jarred Holsing or Jared Holing.

[Canada James]

Actually, they are. I just dug out my 2/1/05 through 7/31/05 statement and they very boldly tell me that 3 were sold at 40% off and 12 were sold at 14%. It does NOT say, however, where.

PA is still selling it at 40%. Ingram takes 20%, and gives the other 20% to the bookstore. Had PA sold them at 55%, Ingram would be selling your book @ 40%.

Canada James

[Sheryl Nantus]

Thanks! :Sun:

My CAT scan this summer came out well. No fur balls. ;)

my thoughts are with you - just hit the five year mark clear of cervical cancer, but I still get the frights every once in a while...

which makes this little jerk even more annoying.

[astonwest]

Regarding PA's liability:

Clause 27 (in my contract) reads:
27. The Author covenants and represents that the said literary work has not hitherto been published in book form; that it contains no matter that, when published, will be libelous or otherwise unlawful, or which will infringe upon any proprietary interest at common law or statutory copyright; that the Author is the sole proprietor of the said literary work and has full power to make this grant and agreement, and that the said work is free of any lien, claim, charge or debt of any kind, and that the Author and his legal successors and/or representatives will hold harmless and keep indemnified the Publisher from all manner of claims, proceeding and expenses which may be taken or incurred on the ground that said work is subject to any such lien, claim, charge or debt, or that it is such violation, or that it contains anything libelous or illegal.(emphasis mine)

By this, I would venture (though NOT being a lawyer myself) that PA has created themselves a loophole, in the case of suit being brought against the author. Whether this would hold up in court, I don't know...

[Sheryl Nantus]

I've reported the nasty reviews to Amazon using their Customer Service form - since they don't say anything about the BOOK and instead have threats directed towards Ed, they should be removed.

give the poor Amazon peeps a few hours to clear it up, eh?

:D

[Canada James]

I expect the Feds to start doing something about that eventually. People are getting angry about it.

I'm glad I'm Canadian where privacy isn't a matter of policy for the government to decide. (We even choose not to do business with American companies when it comes to our private records, simply because of the Patriot Act.)

Canada James

[Canada James]

Nancy, we could learn to do needlepoint in prison. Or, wait, are needles not allowed in the slammer? Hm. We could learn origami. Always wanted to learn origami.

Maybe you could make needles out of oragami?

Canada James

[ResearchGuy]

The kid must be breaking out in flop sweats at this pace.

--Ken

[MacAllister]

I got two identical emails--the same text as the email he sent to Spike, but without the offer for money...

He flatly denied he was writing the five-star reviews. I can't believe Amazon is just letting the guy run wild, like that.

[Ken Schneider]

Here is an e-mail I received on e-addy I don't use much. Dated 12-22-05.

If you read this, you who have sent it, I'm sorry I didn't see it sooner.

This is why we are here.

Thank you.

Ken S.

This is the message:

I just registered with AW so that I could talk to you. The forums that
I was reading up on are closed and I just wanted to comment. I'm 31
years old. I'm a full time single mother and trying so hard to "make it".
I was getting rejected right and left. Finally one day a publisher told
me that I had what it takes. I was so utterly thrilled, I cried and
thanked the good Lord up above thinking that my break finally came in.
Publish America. That book will be out the first of January. I had another
manuscript so I thought I would try to see if I could publish that one
as well. It consisted of three short stories. I sent the stories
separately not sure how to do it at first. I get an email back and they asked
me to put them together on Word. So I did. Then I get an email back
from them and they offered me a contract on just one story. Not the whole
thing. I emailed them back asking them about the others that it's
supposed to be as a whole. In ten minutes I was offered a new contract. They
never even had the chance to read my other two stories. I started
questioning about their reputation after that. I did sign, but before I knew
about them. I know I won't get any money. At first it wasn't about that
for me. I truly thought I was good enough and thought I had what it
took to become one of the great ones. So I started looking for agents to
get my foot through the door to more reputable publishers. I found one.
I submitted my manuscript that I worked on for almost two years and in
two weeks, I got a positive review. They thought I was good enough and
wanted me to pay money for a critique. New York Literary Agency. I
thought it was too "easy". So I did some research and came across this
website. I turned them down and won't be signing a contract with them. I
just wanted to say thank you for being on forums like this and trying to
help naive folks like myself. Somebody said earlier one that a certain
publisher was kicked in the butt once for signing with PA and twice
with New York Literary Agency was just sad. So my tears of joy have turned
to embarrassment and anger. I told my family and friends I was
published and even put up a website. I'm going to take PA's link down
immediately. Thanks for all you and everybody else do.

[xhouseboy]

His last two posts are attributed Pat Long and Brad Donkin. The first one, Brad I think, lists 6 points why you should buy the book. Then Pat chips in next with an almost identical post highlighting another 4 points as to why the book should be purchased. The other 4 must have occured to him after he'd posted.


This is beyond surreal.

[Canada James]

Yes, and Aconite has menacing eyebrows.

And I'm Canadian.

Canada James

[Peggy]

Ditto here. Also, later year, I lost my uterus (and various other assorted attached organ thingies) to cancer, so this makes it personal. Even if I was fairly lucky in the type I had, etc., I still know what it can be like to hear a diagnosis from a doctor. Even before I heard the diagnosis, I had a message from the doctor's office telling me to call them as soon as possible. That was even scarier! But at least I'm OK now, and it's not as if I was using that darned organ. (Although that was probably one of the most extreme PMS cures ever... :D)

Anyway, I know I was lucky, and I also know that others (such as my aunt and and uncle, and the nice neighbor I had when growing up, and one of my favorite teachers) weren't so lucky. So it's easy to imagine a patient or a loved one stumbling across that book and making a big mistake. That must have been terrible. I'm glad that you're OK now. I'd say that most of us have had at least one friend or relative with cancer, which is what makes this so personalI'm going to invite him over here. What are your thoughts on this before I do this?This thread is one of the top hits if you Google his name - I wouldn't be surprised if he found his way over here on his own.

I emailed him as well, but I haven't received a reply as yet.

[Peggy]

Wow, I just got a reply from Mr. Tsupruk. He did not offer me any money. Instead he threatened me with hellfire:
Go do something right for GOD and not for the Devil cause your looking
seeing the Burning Hell and not Heaven. Say in the Bible that what ever
evil
you do for someone your just doing it for yourself. Just remember that
we
live in the last days and you don't want to miss Heaven. So ask god for
forgivness and never do anything mean again. God bless you and I hope
that
you see Success.I don't think I can respond to that. I'm a bit sorry that I emailed him, since he is clearly not thinking straight.

[MacAllister]

I got that one, too, Peggy.

Look, folks, I understand there are real differences in posting reviews about this book pointing out the alarming lack of any credentials, and pointing out the lack of any sort of vetting process on the part of the...err...publisher.

I do think we want to be very careful about the language we use--and think about whether or not writing Amazon reviews about a book none of us have read yet is the most effective way to approach the situation.

I think Dawno is onto a very good approach, with the plagiarism investigation. Contacting Amazon directly also seems like an excellent idea.

We've made very strong statements against guestbook drive-bys and Amazon slamming--and I'm not saying anyone is in that territory--but it would be good to be extremely careful about our own tactics, to make certain we stay on the side of the angels.

This young man is pretty obviously...um...unstable.

[AnneMarble]

That must have been terrible. I'm glad that you're OK now. I'd say that most of us have had at least one friend or relative with cancer, which is what makes this so personal.
Well at least it gave me the incentive to start a new fantasy novel. I also found that long waiting room visits can be great opportunities to write. :D

This thread is one of the top hits if you Google his name - I wouldn't be surprised if he found his way over here on his own.
Ow. That would be ... interesting. :flag:

[Sassenach]

I got the Hell email--twice. He's a sick guy.

[SeanDSchaffer]

I hope Pavel doesn't try lashing out at someone through means other than with words. If he is, as many of us believe, unstable, he might do something very bad to bring the judgment of God down on someone before God has a chance to.

I know people who have tried that, and that's why I'm so worried about this situation.

[Dawno]

Dawno's plan:

Get the book. Check it against other books in a similar vein. Write the publishers and authors of those books if he uses un-cited material. See what happens. Question - what if he uses long passages of cited materials, would he have needed permission to use them in a commercial work?

I'm also going to write anyone on Amazon from whom he's plagiarized a review. What they do is up to them. (I'm using the Amazon "invite a friend" function and giving my real name and real email addy - any advice on that?)

I won't write a review of the book until I've read it - and maybe not then.

An aside - how could anyone order a book and be reading it so quickly (I'm thinking of the guy mentioned in the post awhile back who "just ordered the book") - I bet it takes ages for me to get a copy being POD and all.

*sigh* I don't look good in horizontal stripes OR orange. I hope I get one of those prisons where you can wear denim jeans and chambray shirts.

Edit to add: Got an email from Amazon - it shipped already!

[James D. Macdonald]

DamaNegra, this is hardly the place for that discussion. I believe there's a non-fiction board (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=13) around here somewhere.

[spike]

I got the "burning in hell" email too. I think cancer boy is a nutjob, but not crazy. Nor do I believe he will have a melt down.

He's not even a true con artist. Just a wanna-be.

I noticed that the reviews citing AMA approval are gone. Too bad. I sent the AMA a heads up. They take their rep pretty seriously.

BTW, when I was involved at a drug rehab (no, not as a client) we used the term AMA to mean "Against Medical Authorization", as in when a client walked out of treatment. Maybe that's what Pavil meant.

[triceretops]

I had the sudden urge to pin my badge back on and strap up the Sam Brown and go after this guy. But I only have one set of handcuffs, and it occured to me that there were a dozen dopplegangers of this persona and I couldn't guarantee that I'd arrest the right one! I'd need an explosive propelled grappling net.

This guy is a really hard call to make. I keep thinking I want to feel sorry for this person but something slaps me upside the head, telling me that there is a certifiable "danger here, Will Robinson." Didn't we discuss this many months ago about a PA book eventually slandering, using racist remarks, or showing obvious plagerism in the text? This is a pefect example of the last, I think. The book is only 137-pages, and I'll wager that it is a cut and paste, then retype, then use filler, type manufacture. Dawno's probably on to something there.

Tri

[JennaGlatzer]

This guy is a really hard call to make. I keep thinking I want to feel sorry for this person but something slaps me upside the head, telling me that there is a certifiable "danger here, Will Robinson."

So with you. My usual MO (like yours) is to try to see the good in everyone, give benefit of the doubt, etc. He makes it so hard. But I'm not sure if I'm getting carried away, so I'm going to try to step back for today and just watch.

[Lady of Prose]

I'm watching too. I'm having ambivalent feelings about the whole thing.

[MadScientistMatt]

Pavel's responses to my emails. [I also mentioned that my sister is currently fighting breast cancer.]

He's clearly delusional--to say nothing of misunderstanding how sales rankings work.

Since he asked if I wanted money, I'll suggest a donation to the City of Hope National Medical Center, where my sister is being treated.

That appears to have been cut and pasted from his reply to Spike. Somehow it figures that he'd write a stock response.

[Aconite]

Yes, and Aconite has menacing eyebrows.
Especially now that they've been neutered and spayed. Savage, I tell you. Utterly savage.

[PVish]

Dawno's plan:
Get the book. Check it against other books in a similar vein. Write the publishers and authors of those books if he uses un-cited material. See what happens. Question - what if he uses long passages of cited materials, would he have needed permission to use them in a commercial work?

Possibly yes. Some authors/publishers request payment for permission (at least for some literary works and musical works—don't know if, uh, "scientific" writers require payment).

Also, make sure you Google certain sentences or distinctive phrases to see if he's lifted info from a website. This is how teachers catch plagiarizing students. You might want to notify owner of the site if it's been excessively plagiarized. (I'd guess most of his "research" was a cut-and-paste job from various web sites—not from his actually reading books. I'd also guess that his book contains no bibliography.)

[Aconite]

I wonder if Amazon would be interested in the e-mails in which Pavel offers to pay people for positive reviews. Anyone know if they care about that?

And for pity's sake, why haven't they just blocked stuff from his IP addy? Hasn't he already shown abuse of the system?

[ResearchGuy]

...what if he uses long passages of cited materials, would he have needed permission to use them in a commercial work? ...
Unambiguously, YES. In some instances, even relatively short passages require permission (that is, exceed "fair use").

--Ken

[Bufty]

I see there are 16 less copies available for sale now than when I logged off last. I sincerely hope they were all bought by folk seeking a way to bring him down rather than....

[Aconite]

I see there are 16 less copies available for sale now than when I logged off last. I sincerely hope they were all bought by folk seeking a way to bring him down rather than....
Perhaps they were bought by people who wanted to read the book before giving it detailed negative reviews. Or by plagarized authors.

[NeuroFizz]

I have absolutely no sympathy for this clown. Does anyone know, for sure, he's under twenty years of age? We know he's a scammer. That he's very aggressive. And above all, we know his intelligence is more than a few paces behind his ambition.

I've had some experience with Eastern Europeans, mostly from the old USSR days (including a postdoc in my lab), and believe me, for some of them scamming was cultural in a way, really out of necessity (this is based on a very small sample size)*. And to some of these people, being a good scammer was equated with being considered extremely clever. It may be Pavel has that cultural background, coupled with a lack of knowledge of Western law and ethics.**

He could be a nutjob, but I doubt it. Regardless, not one whiff of sympathy comes from me, even if he is straightjacket material.


*I also know a number of people of Eastern European origin who are good, honest, caring people.
**I had to bring up a couple of ethical issues with my postdoc, and he had a Ph.D. I had to tell him that we just didn't do things that way over here.

[SC Harrison]

Taken from the Barnes & Noble page:


People who bought this book also bought:•Autobiography of a Face (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780060569662) Lucy Grealy, Ann Patchett (Afterword)•Dr. Patrick Walsh's Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780446679145) Patrick C. Walsh, Janet Farrar Worthington•Cancer Battle Plan: Six Strategies for Beating Cancer from a Recovered "Hopeless Case" (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780874778939) Anne E. Frahm, David J. Frähm•Beating Cancer with Nutrition: Combining the Best of Science and Nature for Full Spectrum Healing in the 21st Century (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780963837295) Patrick Quillin, Noreen Quillin•There's No Place like Hope: A Guide to Beating Cancer in Mind-Sized Bites (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9781888387414) Vickie Girard, Dan Zadra (Editor)

I sincerely hope Pavel was the one who bought these, as opposed to others who are desperate for help. If he did, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't use some of these when compiling his own book.

[DaveKuzminski]

Oh, this gives me a story idea. Nutjob puts out medical book made from plagiarized portions of other books, tries to promote it with similarly plagiarized reviews rationalizing that the reviews belonged to the material he stole, so his book deserves them too. Then frightening emails come to the nutjob after a patient scared of dying prays to God for a cure like the book promises. However, no matter how hard the nutjob tries, he can't delete the emails and no one can track where they originated because there simply isn't an ISP with the codes shown in the headers. However, when nutjob finally breaks down and confesses, prompting authorities to trace all sales and retrieve the books, only then do the threatening emails disappear from nutjob's computer.

Anyone want to run with this? Please be my guest. I'm too busy right now on another manuscript.

[DeePower]

Yes, you have to have permission in writing to quote anything longer than a couple of sentences and the quote has to be attributed back to the source.

Dee

[MadScientistMatt]

Taken from the Barnes & Noble page:


People who bought this book also bought:•Autobiography of a Face (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780060569662) Lucy Grealy, Ann Patchett (Afterword)•Dr. Patrick Walsh's Guide to Surviving Prostate Cancer (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780446679145) Patrick C. Walsh, Janet Farrar Worthington•Cancer Battle Plan: Six Strategies for Beating Cancer from a Recovered "Hopeless Case" (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780874778939) Anne E. Frahm, David J. Frähm•Beating Cancer with Nutrition: Combining the Best of Science and Nature for Full Spectrum Healing in the 21st Century (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9780963837295) Patrick Quillin, Noreen Quillin•There's No Place like Hope: A Guide to Beating Cancer in Mind-Sized Bites (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?userid=aF8pYhRAMq&pwb=1&ean=9781888387414) Vickie Girard, Dan Zadra (Editor)

I sincerely hope Pavel was the one who bought these, as opposed to others who are desperate for help. If he did, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't use some of these when compiling his own book.

Actually, I'll bet those were bought up by people checking into whether he'd copied from any one of these.

[NancyMehl]

And for pity's sake, why haven't they just blocked stuff from his IP addy? Hasn't he already shown abuse of the system?

You would think Amazon would do that, but in the other case I mentioned, they never did it - even though they knew the writer was posting gobs of bogus reviews.

I'm NOT impressed with Amazon's ability or commitment to police itself. They seem ambivalent toward misuse of their system.

Nancy

[astonwest]

If the system is making them gobs of money, why would they want to change it?

Same rationale that PA uses, by the way...

[DaveKuzminski]

If they block that ISP, that also blocks everyone else from there who might want to make a purchase. Sure, it's only a few drops in the bucket, but you block enough ISPs and you're out of business. They don't have a choice but to leave all ISPs open to their site. Their only other alternative is to shut down the review function and that appears to bring in more sales. If not, I'm sure they'd shut it down real fast or modify it so only approved reviewers could post.


Also, keep in mind some professional reviews can be downright vicious and the public expects them to be.

[Sparhawk]

If the system is making them gobs of money, why would they want to change it?

Same rationale that PA uses, by the way...

Well said and to the point.

[ResearchGuy]

...modify it so only approved reviewers could post....
Up until a few years ago (I don't know just when the system changed), Amazon reviews were queued, reviewed, sometimes edited (to remove URLs, for example), and posted only after a day or two. With the massive growth in volume on the site, that probably became prohibitively expensive (as did some of Amazon's other early techniques, such as highlighted staff-selected books in several categories).

--Ken

[Dawno]

Barnes and Noble still check reviews - I submitted one for Maestrowork's book a few days ago and it's still not up.

Amazon's review guidelines say:

What not to include:
Amazon.com is proud to provide this forum for you to air your opinions on the items we feature. While we appreciate your time and comments, we respectfully request that you refrain from including the following in your review:

* Spoilers! Please don't reveal crucial plot elements.
* Time-sensitive material (i.e., promotional tours, seminars, lectures, etc.).
* Commenting on other reviews visible on the page. Other reviews and their position on the page are subject to change without notice.
* Profanity, obscenities, or spiteful remarks.
* Single-word reviews. We want to know why you liked or disliked the item.
* Phone numbers, mail addresses, URLs.
* Availability, price, or alternative ordering/shipping information.
* Solicitations for helpful votes.

Any review in violation of these guidelines will not be posted.

[ResearchGuy]

I see there are 16 less copies available for sale now than when I logged off last. I sincerely hope they were all bought by folk seeking a way to bring him down rather than....
The change might reflect several "Amazon resellers" dropping the book from their list.

My inference, because nearly all of the resellers (I looked a day or two ago) were located in Nevada, is that none of them actually had a copy in stock, but rather that they are folks in or near the Fernly, NV, Amazon warehouse who count on getting a copy quickly from the warehouse and sending it off to the customer, with profit coming from the difference between the fixed Amazon reseller shipping cost and the real cost (which can be much less). That, by the way, is why you sometimes see used books for as little as a penny -- the profit comes from the excess charge for shipping.

FYI, BTW, in at least one case I know for a fact (the publisher told me), and inferentially in many others, reseller-offered books (maybe listed as "slightly scuffed," or something like that) are self-publishers or small presses that find it more profitable to sell as a reseller rather than through Amazon in the normal (discounted) manner. You really do not know how many of those publishers you have not heard of before are actually self-publishers with a DBA ("doing business as") or a corporation. They can discount from list and still be well ahead (esp. after the difference in shipping cost vs. charge) of where they would be if Amazon bought at trade discount and then sold to the customer. They might be selling a $19.95 book for, say, $17.95 + shipping, having paid $2.50 per copy for printing. (Printing costs for trade paperbacks can shrink to the dollar or dollar and a half range.) Yes, they might sell Amazon a few copies for resale, but they do better selling directly to customers as an "Amazon reseller."

FWIW.

--Ken

[Peggy]

I got the "burning in hell" email too. I think cancer boy is a nutjob, but not crazy. Nor do I believe he will have a melt down.I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one who received that. I thought I might have pushed him over the edge.
Dawno's plan:
Get the book. Check it against other books in a similar vein. Write the publishers and authors of those books if he uses un-cited material. See what happens.It's possible that he also cribbed information from one or more of the Dr. Phil show episodes, since the "reviews" keep mentioning it (i.e., the book itself wasn't featured, but the information in the book WAS featured). Maybe there's a way to find out which cancer-related books were featured on Dr. Phil.

On the topic of Amazon: I thought that the Listmania lists that Amazon linked to on a page always included the book being sold on that page, or at least related titles. In this case, the linked Linkmania lists don't include the cancer book or any health-related titles. Instead they appear to be lists of PublishAmerica books (based on the inclusion of "Penitentiary Pacific"). It seems to be an odd selling strategy, as if someone looking for a book on health would be looking for another title based on the "publisher", rather than the topic.

[SC Harrison]

.

Amazon's review guidelines say:

Is somebody asleep at the wheel, or is the wheel, um, steering itself? Are the guidelines there as some kind of "honor system"? They should at least have some kind of watchdog program looking for profane insults like: Dirtbage, Baloni and Hatred Reviewer.

I'm not really sure what that last one means, but I'm offended, nonetheless.

[spike]

I'm watching too. I'm having ambivalent feelings about the whole thing.



No ambivalence here, however, I have work to do. A house and family that are demanding my attention.

[Memphis Ed]

I notice that the guy's pleas have been pulled from the PAMB. They probably got some complaints from other authors concerned the "deals" he was offering.

Being the Dirtbage that I am, I expect him to show here any day now. Someone is going to tip him off to this board before long and he'll pop up.

I am doing everything I know to remember that he is nineteen years old, but a part of me wants to snap him to attention and make sure he knows that what he is doing is ammoral, unethical, and deceitful.

If H.B. were still around, I'd put these two together somehow in a best two-out-of-three, hair versus the belt, loser leave town match.

Where does PA find these people? Really?

[Ol' Fashioned Girl]

I am doing everything I know to remember that he is nineteen years old, but a part of me wants to snap him to attention and make sure he knows that what he is doing is ammoral, unethical, and deceitful.


Might be the best thing that ever happened to/for him. It's obvious his parents didn't do a very good job.

[reph]

I am doing everything I know to remember that he is nineteen years old....
In my patch on the map, being 19 means you're a legally responsible adult.

[ResearchGuy]

...Where does PA find these people? Really?
Pretty much the same place it finds some entirely decent folks: "out there." (Or more accurately, the folks out there, of all stripes, find PA.)

--Ken

[Bufty]

Another few posts and this guy will have a full five-star house again.

[NeuroFizz]

Where does PA find these people? Really?
It seems to be edging in the direction of a self-selecting group. At least for the ones who continue to sing PA's praises.

[Sheryl Nantus]

anyone reading the reviews, however, will come away with a very different impression than when this entire thing started, methinks...

especially the ranting threats... oh, that'll sell your books, pup...

:D

[ResearchGuy]

It seems to be edging in the direction of a self-selecting group. At least for the ones who continue to sing PA's praises.
On my very local level, I can see the virus spread as the happy PA authors (esp. a poet and a novelist) enthuse over PA to their fellow club members/writers. There is only so much one can do to, shall we say, clarify, without offending people who are really quite pleasant and whom I will see again, month after month.

--Ken

[Memphis Ed]

Amazon has deleted some of the negative reviews (mine included), but has left some of the obvious plagiarized reviews.

I don't know what their criteria are, but it is strange over there (is it possible that PA and Amazon share monitors?).

I would post another review, but Pavel has more idle time than I do, so I'll just watch the changes. One thing is sure...he won't sell books. PA will see to that.

I'll be glad to here Dawno's review of the book when she gets it.

[Memphis Ed]

On my very local level, I can see the virus spread as the happy PA authors (esp. a poet and a novelist) enthuse over PA to their fellow club members/writers. There is only so much one can do to, shall we say, clarify, without offending people who are really quite pleasant and whom I will see again, month after month.

--Ken

Many PA authors appear to be just that....quite pleasant....and if they were all more similar to H.B. and this Pavel kid, I'd suggest nuking the whole group.

It is the duping of the good folks that keeps me interested in forcing PA to tell their real story.

[Ol' Fashioned Girl]

Just for the sake of argument (and for Dawno's benefit later), and because I have a cold and I'm stuck home with nothing better to do and all the time in the world to do it, I googled a *long* line from Kenerson's 'review' of Cancerboy's book - and voila'! It was cut and pasted from 'Options: The Alternative Cancer Therapy Book' by Richard Walters here:

http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/modules/products/product_detail.php/mode/Books/ASIN/0895295105

Oddly enough, on a site that sells linux CDs!

At this point, it looks like finding his sources - for reviews at least - isn't very difficult at all... then again, if it were difficult, HE wouldn't be doing it. Short cuts seem to be his strong suit.

[ResearchGuy]

...It was cut and pasted from 'Options: The Alternative Cancer Therapy Book' by Richard Walters here:...

He probably got it from the review as posted on Amazon, here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895295105/103-9484724-6168626?v=glance&n=283155 (I had previously pointed that out -- he plagiarized from two reviews of that book).

--Ken

[Lady of Prose]

No ambivalence here, however, I have work to do. A house and family that are demanding my attention.

My ambivalent feelings are not due to what he is doing, which is clearly wrong, but due to the fact that fraud or no, the boy is obviously unstable. And, I am wondering how responsible he is mentally for how he is acting. Anyone with any degree of emotional stability would know that readers of the reviews would catch on to the phony reviews from the writing style.

I cannot conceive of any serious reader surfing onto his Amazon site, reading the original "reviews" (before we all entered the picture), and taking them seriously. It was obvious to me immediately that it was the same person posting all the reviews. But then again, some people who are under duress of the cancer scare would probably grasp at any possibility.

Some alternative methods have proven helpful and people like this person, do not help them.

Amazon's rating and review standards--a big joke to me.

I think the whole thing is sad.

[NeuroFizz]

the boy is obviously unstable.
Unless, his small mind is totally wrapped up in the euphoria or having his ideas published immediately by a "real publisher," in which case, his misguided ego has been fed a hearty meal of I'm-a-published-author-flakes. In his case, if he did swipe the material in his book, its "acceptance" by this "publisher" could legitimize his methods, and valildate his ideas (he must have some of his own). I don't think this scenario necessarily reflects an instabilty.

Amazon's rating and review standards--a big joke
This may be the real short-term value of this thread.

[rekirts]

They should at least have some kind of watchdog program looking for profane insults like: Dirtbage, Baloni and Hatred Reviewer. Maybe it isn't considered a profane insult if isn't spelled correctly. So, you know, you could go on there and say, this moroonic dirtbage doesn't know what the heell he's talking about, and it would be okay.

[PVish]

[size=2]. . . Anyone with any degree of emotional stability would know that readers of the reviews would catch on to the phony reviews from the writing style.

I've taught a bunch of freshman composition students who apparently didn't think I would notice the change in writing style when they submitted essays that clearly weren't theirs—and weren't on the topics I assigned and weren't in the font or size I required. Several couldn't believe how fast I could find the original essay.

CancerBoy is the same age as my students. At nineteen, kids still think they're invincible and much smarter than us old folks.

However, he might just be what PA needs to bring them down! Either that, or they'll hire him to write tone messages.

[Lady of Prose]

CancerBoy is the same age as my students. At nineteen, kids still think they're invincible and much smarter than us old folks.

However, he might just be what PA needs to bring them down! Either that, or they'll hire him to write tone messages.

I've met a few exceptions to #1, but #2 could already be a possibility. ;)

[Dawno]

FYI - I alterted the copyright division at Amazon about a plagiarized review, showing both reviews and underlining the phrases that were the same. They must be on holiday since the review is still up. *sigh*

The one with the stuff about children and then the next paragraph was on prostate cancer - I wrote to the prostate cancer book reviewer who was copied. Haven't heard back from him. I am having a great email conversation with the lady who's review was copied a few days back. She might just join us here :)

Am having a wonderful time in SoCal - spent a couple hours with Jean Marie and will be heading out soon. See ya later.

[Lady of Prose]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady of Prose
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This may be the real short-term value of this thread.

Good point.

[spike]

My ambivalent feelings are not due to what he is doing, which is clearly wrong, but due to the fact that fraud or no, the boy is obviously unstable. And, I am wondering how responsible he is mentally for how he is acting. Anyone with any degree of emotional stability would know that readers of the reviews would catch on to the phony reviews from the writing style.

I cannot conceive of any serious reader surfing onto his Amazon site, reading the original "reviews" (before we all entered the picture), and taking them seriously. It was obvious to me immediately that it was the same person posting all the reviews. But then again, some people who are under duress of the cancer scare would probably grasp at any possibility.

Some alternative methods have proven helpful and people like this person, do not help them.

Amazon's rating and review standards--a big joke to me.

I think the whole thing is sad.



Perhaps you're right, and Cancerboy is unstable. But I don't think so. I think he is trying to be a grifter, and he is frustrated that his little scam isn't working. In his frustration and immaturity, he keeps trying harder and harder. His ego won't allow him to let go. A more mature con man would have folded his tent and let it go. Of course, a seasoned pro would not have been so obvious.

My biggest concern is that we are teaching this boy how to scam.

But then again, some people who are under duress of the cancer scare would probably grasp at any possibility.



Not "some people". Most people. Not "probably". Most definitely. I would have, if I hadn't had support from family and cancer support group. I would have done anything, spent any amount of money, and gone anywhere if I thought it would have kept my husband alive one day longer.

[MacAllister]

My biggest fear is that we look like exactly what we are often accused of being. I fear that we look like we're dog-piling on a kid, largely because he went with PA.

[Bufty]

Good point, Mac. Shades of Vipersmile? He was with PA and his anger pushed him too far. He didn't kill anyone, beat up old ladies or abuse kids - or try to convince folk he had a cure for cancer. He needed help and support.

[MacAllister]

Bufty, I just don't know how much good it does to write negative reviews on this book--meanwhile, I know for a fact that folks who already want to criticize this board are going to say: "Thought they didn't Amazon Slam, eh? Thought they were against the company, not the author, eh?

Now, certainly, if it turns out that this book is a cut-n-paste wonder of stolen words, I think that should be used against PA, just as fas as it can be pushed. For that matter, I think the book itself should be exposed for exactly what it is. We don't know any such thing, yet, though.

None of us have looked at the book.

I guess, more than anything, I'm making a plea that we recall the big picture.

[Bufty]

I guess, more than anything, I'm making a plea that we recall the big picture.

Exactly. It's accepted here that one of the elements in coming to terms with having been suckered and scammed by PA is ANGER. Vipersmile was angry and lashed out. He knows it was wrong and he's learned his lesson but we've cut him off. And we claim to support these folk. I vote he is told to come back - I don't believe he'll do that sort of stuff again, but I feel we've left him on his own - angry and alone - outside both camps.
He and Latchiver were banned - the point's been made.

I have to log off - it's late over here.

[spike]

Bufty, I just don't know how much good it does to write negative reviews on this book--meanwhile, I know for a fact that folks who already want to criticize this board are going to say: "Thought they didn't Amazon Slam, eh? Thought they were against the company, not the author, eh?

Now, certainly, if it turns out that this book is a cut-n-paste wonder of stolen words, I think that should be used against PA, just as fas as it can be pushed. For that matter, I think the book itself should be exposed for exactly what it is. We don't know any such thing, yet, though.

None of us have looked at the book.

I guess, more than anything, I'm making a plea that we recall the big picture.

You're right, of course. I was hoping once Cancerboy realized that people knew what he was doing, he would stop. Are all the neg reviews from this board. I don't recognize most of the names.

Commenting that he is stealing reviews from other books is not what I call slamming. Neither is posting one comment.

But you're right. We should take the "high road", even though the low road is always so much more fun! What I have been doing is emailing the copied reviews to the original authors, and I've also emailed a link to the various doctors and organizations he mentioned.

[reph]

My biggest fear is that we look like exactly what we are often accused of being. I fear that we look like we're dog-piling on a kid, largely because he went with PA.
Mmm, well, from my seat here on the edge of the field, it doesn't look like that. His plagiarism, crooked tactics, deceit, hostility, history of pyramid schemes, and all-round cluelessness are the target, not PA. If he'd gone with Lulu and otherwise done what he's doing, wouldn't you write to Dr. Phil and the Swedish institute and everything, same as you've done?

[SC Harrison]

Bufty, I just don't know how much good it does to write negative reviews on this book--meanwhile, I know for a fact that folks who already want to criticize this board are going to say: "Thought they didn't Amazon Slam, eh? Thought they were against the company, not the author, eh?



Although the negative reviews have caused him to reveal his authorship of the other, fraudulent ones, I do agree. This board has to remain professional, or the overall message will be diminished.

[ResearchGuy]

...If he'd gone with Lulu and otherwise done what he's doing, wouldn't you write to Dr. Phil and the Swedish institute and everything, same as you've done?
If he had gone with Lulu, would anyone here ever have heard of him or his little book?

--Ken

[pepperlandgirl]

Bufty, I just don't know how much good it does to write negative reviews on this book--meanwhile, I know for a fact that folks who already want to criticize this board are going to say: "Thought they didn't Amazon Slam, eh? Thought they were against the company, not the author, eh?

Now, certainly, if it turns out that this book is a cut-n-paste wonder of stolen words, I think that should be used against PA, just as fas as it can be pushed. For that matter, I think the book itself should be exposed for exactly what it is. We don't know any such thing, yet, though.

None of us have looked at the book.

I guess, more than anything, I'm making a plea that we recall the big picture.

The big picture includes the fact that sometimes people have to be held accountable for their actions, even PA authors. Not every single person who signs with PA is a victim who needs to be coddled and protected. I'm glad that not everybody on the board is as cynical and skeptical as I am, willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but Cancerboy is perpetuating a scam. Period. He is not a victim of PA. He is not a little old lady who wanted to write her life story and was cruelly taught that PA only cares about her pension. He's not a novelist with 500 rejections before hitting The One. He is a scam artist. One that preys on sick, scared, and potentially weak human beings.

"But he's only 19..." you say. Well, that's what he claims. He could be any age. But regardless, he's a legal adult now, and trying to write off his behaivor because he's only 19 implies that teenagers don't know the difference between right and wrong.

"He's clearly unstable..." Right, clearly unstable...except, he seems just like most of the people you come across on the Internet. And most of the 19 year olds you come across IRL. I'd say he's more arrogant/ignorant than unstable.

"Don't be mean to him! We're after PA!" Well, scammers in general should be brought down a notch or two.

Is this a terribly big deal in the grand scope of things? No. There are much smarter, much slyer, much more dangerous conartists out there, preying on the old, sick, lonely, and weak. Shoot, you might be happily sending your money to some scammer yourself (general you!). But here's the thing--everybody started somewhere. All the big time scammers got away with it when they were small-fry. They continue because they can. Because people think, "Oh, what can it hurt? Nobody could possibly fall for this!" Well, people believe a lot of stupid, stupid things...Paul Simon was right when he said "Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest...:" People who are savvy enough to see into the lies early should be the ones who make the effort to stop them.

[Sheryl Nantus]

*applauds*

exactly - now we're giving out free passes to scammers 'cause they happened to be PA authors?

I think not.

[mdin]

The newest review claims PA pulled the book from their catalog. Indeed, I can no longer find it on their online store. I could yesterday.

[Dawno]

IMO: Until I'm able to read the book and report back to you what I find, the thing I think we need to continue to do is check the reviews periodically, find ones that are plagiarized and notify the original writers. If you notify Amazon right away they might pull the review before the original writer has a chance to see for him/herself what's been done. Then again, they might not - seems they're a bit slow on the trigger today. Saying the review was not helpful is a good thing - people look at that. I'd delay reporting the plagiarized reviews for a bit to give the original reviewers a chance to respond.

I expect to receive the book early next week (I got the free shipping option) and as soon as I finish I'll let ya'll know what I found. Now it's off to Christmas - the Sequel at my daughter's place.

[ResearchGuy]

The newest review claims PA pulled the book from their catalog. Indeed, I can no longer find it on their online store. I could yesterday.
Search the PA catalog on the word cancer -- Cancer boy's book does not come up in the list, but several others do. Worth a browse. The weirdest is probably Boob: A Story of Sex, Cancer & Stupidity.

--Ken

[ResearchGuy]

PA did not hog all the oddballs. They left some for others. Check this out at Booklocker.com: http://www.booklocker.com/books/1525.html

--Ken

[xhouseboy]

Search the PA catalog on the word cancer -- Cancer boy's book does not come up in the list, but several others do. Worth a browse. The weirdest is probably Boob: A Story of Sex, Cancer & Stupidity.

--Ken

He's just posted a complaint on Amazon stating the same thing, and hoping that the FBI begin legal action. Although he calls himself Cathy Payinton, and actually gives out her email address.

[Lady of Prose]

My biggest fear is that we look like exactly what we are often accused of being. I fear that we look like we're dog-piling on a kid, largely because he went with PA.

That thought had crossed my mind too.

[Peggy]

You're right, of course. I was hoping once Cancerboy realized that people knew what he was doing, he would stop. Are all the neg reviews from this board. I don't recognize most of the names.

Commenting that he is stealing reviews from other books is not what I call slamming. Neither is posting one comment.I was hoping that a sincere private email would help him realize the problem with the way his book is being promoted, since I don't feel comfortable posting a review for a book I haven't read. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be listening.

I agree that comments pointing out that the other reviews were plagarized shouldn't be regarded as "slamming", since Amazon seems kind of slow at removing them and they could deceive people. However, we should be clear that the criticisms of the author are not because he used PublishAmerica to print his book, but because of the author's own behavior. The sad truth is that if he hadn't aggressively promoted his book on the PA message boards, it's unlikely that anyone over here would have noticed it.

It's possible that the book actually does contain useful health advice, taken from the recommendations of the AMA and other legit sources. It's also possible that it is one of Pavel's friends who has taken it upon himself to "help" by posting the copied reviews and fake testimonials. I don't think either is likely, though.
He's just posted a complaint on Amazon stating the same thing, and hoping that the FBI begin legal action. Although he calls himself Cathy Payinton, and actually gives out her email address. If there is anyone (other than himself) he should be mad at, it's PublishAmerica, since they are the ones that pulled his book. I wonder if that mean PA is looking through its catalog for all the books with possibly bogus medical claims, or if they only take action on books "outed" on Amazon.

[spike]

The newest review claims PA pulled the book from their catalog. Indeed, I can no longer find it on their online store. I could yesterday.

You mean that Cancerboy was too sleazy for PA?

I'd like to think that one of my emails helped this, but probably not.

[JennaGlatzer]

I vote he is told to come back ...

No, I'm sorry. Not only is any trust I had in him shattered, but that was a really simple, really clear rule. I don't need anyone here who can't get the simple concept "respect your fellow writers." By all means, offer him support privately if you like, but this isn't a place to test ethics boundaries. You don't get coddling for going against everything this group stands for and apologizing only after you've been caught.

now we're giving out free passes to scammers 'cause they happened to be PA authors? I think not.

Agreed. Pavel is not one of the "innocent authors." And I'm not tip-toeing around this one out of fear that some other board with a grudge is going to twist this. There's nothing to twist-- this is a guy who is plagiarizing, lying, bribing, dispensing medical advice, and trying to get rich off cancer patients' backs. I don't even need to open the book-- what he's already done on Amazon is deplorable enough. But I'm sure there's more fuel to add to my fire once Dawno gets the book.

A lurker who can't see that there's a difference between trying to warn people with cancer away from a potentially dangerous course of action and writing an anonymous slam of an innocent author's book is probably not someone I'd care to see here, anyway. I'm mindful of how we come across to others, but someone would need a serious agenda to twist this one.

Here's the thing: The first two legitimate reviews came from people who actually bought the book-- one who said he heard about it on a cancer board (which tells me that the author probably posted his false testimonies around the web, and someone DID believe it enough to buy the book). If I can stop that from happening again, I will.

[xhouseboy]

Pavel was always destined to take a fall, and my own pity-ometer often didn't know which way to swing at times, but at the end of the day if PA did pull his book, surely that's a victory of sorts.

I would even say it's a clear indicator of all that is wrong with PA, borne out by the fact that when they came to realise that this guy could hurt them, they attempted to limit the damage. Just my opinion, but I think Pavel was a Godsend to those trying to get back at PA and bring them down for their sharp practises.

[spike]

[QUOTE=Peggy]
It's possible that the book actually does contain useful health advice, taken from the recommendations of the AMA and other legit sources. It's also possible that it is one of Pavel's friends who has taken it upon himself to "help" by posting the copied reviews and fake testimonials. I don't think either is likely, though.
QUOTE]

More likely, the copied reviews could be from friends he paid to post good reviews. He offered to pay me. I still have the email.

But the bottom line is: He is saying he can cure cancer. That is just wrong!

[Peggy]

But the bottom line is: He is saying he can cure cancer. That is just wrong!I agree.

[Peggy]

I would even say it's a clear indicator of all that is wrong with PA, borne out by the fact that when they came to realise that this guy could hurt them, they attempted to limit the damage. Just my opinion, but I think Pavel was a Godsend to those trying to get back at PA and bring them down for their sharp practises.It's just one more demonstration that PublishAmerica doesn't bother to vet the books it prints.

[Lady of Prose]

I'll offer this last thought, then go back into lurk mode on this one. Where I probably should have stayed.

Since Dawno and others have a copy of the book, and if it does contain some of the infractions that we speculated on--I'm thinkng it might be a key piece of evidence that PA does in fact take and print "anything" without review and perhaps caused damage by allowing this one to pass. It could be serious enough that the disclaimer clause will not work. This really is a serious matter.

As I said, if you read my entire previous post is, even though I think him unstable, it still doesn't make what he did, or was doing, right.

[DaveKuzminski]

I'm going to assume that PA has yanked that particular book out of publication regardless of their motives.

[mdin]

We all know PA watches this board. We have several examples. They've certainly seen this conversation.

They don't need to buy the book to look at it. They can call it up with a couple clicks of a mouse.

My theory is they looked up the book, googled to see if it contained stolen text, saw it was plagiarized, and pulled it. They do not want that headache.

If I'm right, I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted to get Dawno's copy from getting to her, too. It's good to hear it's been shipped. I bet if someone ordered it right now, they'd get a notice it was no longer available in a day or so.

[AnneMarble]

PA did not hog all the oddballs. They left some for others. Check this out at Booklocker.com: http://www.booklocker.com/books/1525.html

Y'know, that could be a great plot for a novel, maybe a conspiracy thriller. However, the title sort of gives the whole thing away...

"The Resurrected Dead, Now Immortal, Live Among Us: a Manual for Immortality." That's like retitling Dracula as "Look Out, Jonathan Harker, That Client Is a Vampire Who Will Use You to Get to England and Terrorize People Until Van Helsing Comes to the Rescue"

[DaveKuzminski]

My theory is they looked up the book, googled to see if it contained stolen text, saw it was plagiarized, and pulled it. They do not want that headache.

If I'm right, I wouldn't be surprised if they attempted to get Dawno's copy from getting to her, too. It's good to hear it's been shipped. I bet if someone ordered it right now, they'd get a notice it was no longer available in a day or so.
Sweat, PA, sweat. Remember, you can't take it from her mailbox either. The Postal Service frowns on that. Some of them are good shots, I've heard.

[ResearchGuy]

We all know PA watches this board. We have several examples. They've certainly...I bet if someone ordered it right now, they'd get a notice it was no longer available in a day or so.
Thus sayeth Amazon:


Availability: Usually ships within 1 to 3 weeks. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com.


Say ... just wondering, you Know, why the latest Reviewer, who assures us she is NOT Pavel, Oddly capitalizes Random words In the Review -- just like Pavel.

--Ken

[Canada James]

Vipersmile was angry and lashed out. He knows it was wrong and he's learned his lesson but we've cut him off.

Vipersmile signed electronic documents with other people's names.

So far as I'm concerned, he and a certain other fellow who was banned many moons ago (from pretty much every board on the 'Net) can find their own way in the dark.

You need support, come over here. You need therapy, find a working professional capable of helping you.

Canada James

[Dawno]

So you can't find Pavel's book at PA anymore. Sounds like I may just find the stuff I was thinking I'd find. I'll be watching the mailbox with more than usual anticipation next week. :)

[Jean Marie]

just want to see if I can reply w/o crashing my mom's computer :) I'm having a great time w/ her! Met Dawno today-weeeeeeeeeee! Miss everyone.

Wow-people gettin' banned, tushy(Pavel) signing w/ PA and spouting bs about how to cure cancer in 137 pages? What the hey is going on? Dawno caught me up a bit this am over coffee :D Yikes-is mars lined up w/ uranus and crossed w/ willie @ moe's intersection again?

[book_maven]

Tut, tut. This is what happens when one gets caught in lies. The book was published in July 2005. This is from one of the "reviews":

My father was diagnosed in January 2003 with renal cell carcinoma, metastatic. The doctors gave him less than 6 months to live. We tried a variety of the things mentioned in the book ... It had spread to his liver, spleen, and lung. Since reading and following the wonderful examples and advice in this book, my father is now working and living a productive life. The doctor was amazed and said not to change a thing that he was doing. Since he had had heart surgery and was a diabetic, many treatment options were not available. Other than interferon, he only utilized the information in Pavel Tsupruk's book. That was enough to stop the cancer growth and give him another chance at life.

[Dawno]

Thanks to the Tsupruk's for providing this guidebook. I recommend it to any health professional as well.If the Head of Nutrition of the Cancer Institutes of America says something, you have to think he knows what he's talking about. If Linus Pauling says the information in this book is clinically proven, you have to listen!

Um, Pavel - News Flash: Linus Pauling died on August 19, 1994.

[reph]

Google is your friend.

If the Head of Nutrition of the Cancer Institutes of America says something, you have to think he knows what he's talking about. If Linus Pauling says the information in this book is clinically proven, you have to listen!

That comes from a blurb for Beating Cancer with Nutrition, by Patrick and Noreen Quillin. See this page:

http://health-fitness.marc8.com/books-customer-reviews.php/name/beating_cancer_with_nutrition_revised/toc_id/3-0-6-11-14/review/welcome_to_your_new_bible

And here's an Amazon review for the Quillin & Quillin book:
21 of 21 people found the following review helpful:
Beating Cancer With Nutrition, September 21, 2003
Reviewer: cynthia haire (Okinawa Japan) - See all my reviewsThis book is the lifeline for anyone diagnosed with cancer. My father was diagnosed in January 2003 with renal cell carcinoma, metastatic. The doctors gave him less than 6 months to live. We tried a variety of the things mentioned in the book, including essiac tea, vitamins, and a nutritional diet. It had spread to his liver, spleen, and lung. Since reading and following the wonderful examples and advice in this book, my father is now working and living a productive life. The doctor was amazed and said not to change a thing that he was doing. Since he had had heart surgery and was a diabetic, many treatment options were not available. Other than interferon, he only utilized the information in Dr. Quillins book. That was enough to stop the cancer growth and give him another chance at life. Thank you Dr. Quillin for this wonderful book and the invaluable lifesaving information within.
Cynthia Haire

[astonwest]

So you can't find Pavel's book at PA anymore. Sounds like I may just find the stuff I was thinking I'd find. I'll be watching the mailbox with more than usual anticipation next week. :)

Careful, Dawno...they may try to send the police after you...

[xhouseboy]

Um, Pavel - News Flash: Linus Pauling died on August 19, 1994.

One of the many reasons why this guy became a target, no matter who his publisher was.

[ResearchGuy]

Um, Pavel - News Flash: Linus Pauling died on August 19, 1994.
Naw, he said IF, darn it IF, not that those things WERE said. Pure hypotheticals (though it should have been "If Linus Pauling WERE to say ...," but what the heck, the kid cannot even capitalize properly, so the subjunctive would be out of the question.

--Ken

[Ken Schneider]

If is right, Ken. And Linus can't.

I rather think Dawno is right. "If" is an inference to saying that Linus indeed has.

I'm sure Mr. Paulding has indeed read the information in this book, in 1993.

[Dawno]

Here's the passage (italics are my addition):

Thanks to the Tsupruk's for providing this guidebook. I recommend it to any health professional as well.If the Head of Nutrition of the Cancer Institutes of America says something, you have to think he knows what he's talking about. If Linus Pauling says the information in this book is clinically proven, you have to listen!

I'm not a grammarian, so Research Guy might be right in his parsing of the quote.

However, have to agree with the "reviewer". If Linus Pauling is indeed speaking from the grave to support this book, or anything else for that matter, I certainly would want to listen - and have some witnesses so people won't think I'm hearing voices. :)

[ResearchGuy]

If is right, Ken. And Linus can't.

I rather think Dawno is right. "If" is an inference to saying that Linus indeed has.

...
I was just having fun with the grammatical technicality.

:-)

We know what Cancer boy meant to imply, and it was preposterous.

BTW, those grammatical subtleties can sometimes be critical. Once upon a time I wrote and edited administrative regulations. Sometimes we (I was not the sole author, of course) labored over exactly that sort of verbal sleight-of-hand with a view to fuzzing up fine points of policy. Few things develop so detailed a sense of shades of meaning or of precision in writing as does writing, reviewing, and defending regulations. It is that sort of experience that has contributed to my sometimes cranky insistence on precision and parsing of meanings, as in the recently banished discussion of ... well, you know.

--Ken

[AnneMarble]

Um, Pavel - News Flash: Linus Pauling died on August 19, 1994.
Maybe he read a copy of The Resurrected Dead, Now Immortal, Live Among Us: a Manual for Immortality.
:e2bouncey

[Jean Marie]

May I just say that I'm horrified PA would publish, er, print something prior to their crack editing staff checking the facts stated therein :D

And to think this info could have saved my dad's life from pancreatic cancer just a little over 2 years ago? I think that's what ticks me off about this dweeb more than anything. He's not a writer, he's a lying fool...wait, I'm describing larry, moe and willie-maybe this guy's related?

Might I also add Dawno did not wear her twinkle ears yesterday. She did, however, show up in orange socks!! She is one very cool lady and we had an awesome time together. The only problem was, it was too short :)

[reph]

Naw, he said IF, darn it IF, not that those things WERE said....
If they were said, they were said about another book. The whole testimonial was lifted from another review. See post #2159.

[Ken Schneider]

Here's the passage (italics are my addition):If Linus Pauling is indeed speaking from the grave... snip. :)

Rather, he said this prior to leaving on his journey, about another book!

And, that that text has been, shall we say, possibly borrowed from that book.

[Ken Schneider]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbninquiry.asp?ISBN=1413776957&pdf=y


It appears that no one will be buying this book from here.

NEW FROM B&NA new copy is not available from Barnes & Noble.com at this time.

Search our Used & Out of Print Store for copies provided by our Authorized Sellers (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/titleResults.asp?TTL=Prevent+Cancer+Today&CNT=Pavel+Tsupruk&userid=zA7HO17Cc6&wbflg=N&page=%2Fbooksearch%2Fisbninquiry%2Easp)

[NancyMehl]

Well, Amazon has allowed Cancer Boy to post again. Why they do is beyond me.

He wants his book to "live."

And he is projecting hell and damnation on anyone who had anything to do with his book's demise.

His concern for the human race is quite touching...

Nancy

[JennaGlatzer]

Well, Pavel the dear heart has found The Street-Smart Writer:

My first review! Be still my heart.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974934445/ref=pd_cmp_rvi_2_i/103-0839732-5434200?n=283155

[emeraldcite]

Well, Pavel the dear heart has found The Street-Smart Writer:

My first review! Be still my heart.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/09...434200?n=283155 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974934445/ref=pd_cmp_rvi_2_i/103-0839732-5434200?n=283155)

huh. it's gone.

[JennaGlatzer]

Wow, that was fast. I should have saved it. It said something about it being a "very and very Horrible book." :D

[emeraldcite]

It also said something to the effect that you were a scammer that wanted people's money.

Right. Actually, I have the book here in front of me and I have to say that it tells you everything you need to know about legitimate publishing.

[Ken Schneider]

As soon as I saw Jenna's post, I went over and sent a note to amazon that it was inappropriate.http://absolutewrite.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[JennaGlatzer]

Ah, that's what did it, then. Thanks, Ken and Matt!

Great, now I have to watch my books for the continuation of the Pavel show. (Yes, I did pretty much expect this.)

[book_maven]

Someone may have already pointed this out (though I'm not sure), but in addition to Cancerboy's book no longer being available on b&n.com, it is also not available in PA's own bookstore. Just using the word "cancer" brings up about ten books, but this one is not among them.

[ResearchGuy]

As soon as I saw Jenna's post, I went over and sent a note to amazon that it was inappropriate.http://absolutewrite.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
He'll be Back with Another attempt. The Voices in his Head will insist.

--Ken

[emeraldcite]

As soon as I saw Jenna's post, I went over and sent a note to amazon that it was inappropriate

Yeah, me too.

[Sheryl Nantus]

It's good to see that Amazon and B&N realise that this book needs to be pulled, or at least re-catagorized into something a little less misleading.

Although, and I hate to say it, it may have more to do with the official parties involved (Dr. Phil, the hospitals and doctors quoted) complaining than individual reviews at Amazon and B&N. I can see the legal wheels turning quickly there.

[Ken Schneider]

He can slam mine if he feels the urge.http://absolutewrite.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[JennaGlatzer]

Lordy. New review. http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Let me tell what's happening to " Prevent Cancer Today '', December 31, 2005
Reviewer:Ken Johnson (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2VAFCJBU0WV19/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-0839732-5434200?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (New York, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2VAFCJBU0WV19/ref=cm_cr_auth/103-0839732-5434200?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Some Criminal just keeps Stating Lies about the Author and the Book. 1 thing to remember is that he's Targeting alot of other books so be aware for the Following and don't Listen :

1: The Individual keeps using False Names

2: The Individual will keep begging Customers to believe hime

3: He just wants the Book to no longer Sell

4: Notify amazon.com if you see any of the above Statements

5: The Individual keeps giving the book 1 star and an unlegimate Comment about the book

6: This individual kept in his following Statements that the Book is a Scam so do be aware of that

7: The Individual can be contacted at these 2 Following Email's xxxx@xxxx and xxxx@xxxx

8: Notify amazon.com and local Authorities about this Individual

9: This individual is a Criminal that needs to see Prison Time

[Richard]

9: This individual is a Criminal that needs to see Prison Time

Nah, that's no fun...

http://www.rarevids.com/pictures/nes/Burgertime.jpg

Yay!

[emeraldcite]

what a great game!

[Richard]

I love some of the stuff at the bottom of the page, including links to "Throw Your Writing Career Out the Window, A guide by Curious Writer, Concerned writer", and a plug for our old friend JD Buchanan, author of Penitentiary Pacific.

[Sheryl Nantus]

Lordy. New review.

already gone, from where I sit.

Amazon's on the ball for once...

[MMo]

Lordy. New review.

8: Notify amazon.com and local Authorities about this Individual


And _It's_ gone now. Apparently someone did notify Amazon, but not in the way that poster wanted.

Mo

[mdin]

I called Ingram last night to see if it was still available, and it still was, but that might've changed.

It sold eight copies this year, two this week.

[Celia Cyanide]

As many of you have probably noticed, the one star review by 'Lia' is now the one and only spotlight review. Amazon probably thought this would save him the trouble of writing fake ones to get the bad reviews off the first page. What will you do now, Pavel? Threaten Amazon with hellfire?

[Peggy]

I called Ingram last night to see if it was still available, and it still was, but that might've changed.

It sold eight copies this year, two this week.So Dawno's purchase accounts for 10% of his sales this year. He should send her a thank you note.

[mdin]

I just saw publishamericasucks.com is closing as of January 15th. I hope Linda donates the domain name to someone who could use it, like Preditors and Editors, etc.

[Ken Schneider]

His name is not Pavel it is Vald Kalchik.

He was caught in a sting, today. An e-mail was sent to Vald Kalchik, a reviewer claiming to have cancer, at Barnes and Noble under Pavel-Vald's book. Pavel-Vald, posted one of that e-mail address on the review Jenna cited above, at Amazon as Ken Johnson. Bad boy Vald.

Here is the e-mail sent to me by the person who trapped him.

Thank you, Pavel/ Vlad. We/ I was hoping you would return a mail to me. It was a sting, my friend.
This is a Internet scam patrol e-mail address, XXXXXXXXX As you know the address we sent the original message too was: <vladkalchik@yahoo.com (vladkalchik@yahoo.com)> See below. A review posted by you at Barnes and Noble saying you are a cancer patient.

vladkalchik@yahoo.com (vladkalchik@yahoo.com), a cancer patient., August 15, 2005, http://images.barnesandnoble.com/pimages/gresources/5stars.gifhttp://a1055.g.akamai.net/f/1055/1401/5h/search.barnesandnoble.com/gresources/cleardot.gif This book is the best on the Market
When I bought this book I was really amazed about how well it taught on how to Prevent and Kill cancer. I am now felling much better when I started taking the Medicine 'Oxygen Element Plus' that is in the Book. I know it for a fact that I will be Cancer free because of this book. I really honor and appreciate the Author for all of his hard and precious work that he put into this book. Thank you Barnes & Noble for having this book on your website. This book will be a life saver for people who have cancer. Thank you
Also recommended: All of the chapters are really good and explain alot about cancer and how to kill it and prevent it.




This address was drawn from a review of your book, posted on Barnes and Noble. You posted this e-mail address XXXXXXXXX on a new review you just posted on Amazon book site as Ken Johnson (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2VAFCJBU0WV19/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-2086711-5855966?%5Fencoding=UTF8) This proves that you are posting your own reviews. I have not however posted any reviews against your book as you stated on the Amazon review here.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/common/customer-reviews/stars-5-0.gif Let me tell what's happening to " Prevent Cancer Today '', December 31, 2005
Reviewer:Ken Johnson (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2VAFCJBU0WV19/1/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-2086711-5855966?%5Fencoding=UTF8) (New York, USA) - See all my reviews (http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A2VAFCJBU0WV19/ref=cm_cr_auth/104-2086711-5855966?%5Fencoding=UTF8)Some Criminal just keeps Stating Lies about the Author and the Book. 1 thing to remember is that he's Targeting alot of other books so be aware for the Following and don't Listen :

1: The Individual keeps using False Names

2: The Individual will keep begging Customers to believe hime

3: He just wants the Book to no longer Sell

4: Notify amazon.com if you see any of the above Statements

5: The Individual keeps giving the book 1 star and an unlegimate Comment about the book

6: This individual kept in his following Statements that the Book is a Scam so do be aware of that

7: The Individual can be contacted at these 2 Following Email's XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXXXX

8: Notify amazon.com and local Authorities about this Individual

9: This individual is a Criminal that needs to see Prison Time

This proves that the e-mail address XXXXXXXXX was sent to Vald Kalchik, and that you are Ken Johnson, and Vald Kalchik, and Pavel Tsupruk.

Believe that. I have your I.P. number now, which is your computer I.D. I will report this spamming to the authorities.

I can prove that I have not posted any comments about your book on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. You have however accused us of doing so by your post as Ken Johnson. How could Ken Johnson get the e-mail address XXXXXXXXXXX, when it was only sent to you, Vlad/Pavel.


I have your I.P. addy, which I will send to Amazon and Barnes and Noble to prove you are posting your own reviews. I will also send them my I.P address to prove I have not posted any reviews about your book, which I have NOT!

You better figure out how to get the XXXXXXXXXXaddress off that review, or I will call the police, now! Vald Kalchick/Pavel Tsupruk/ Ken Johnson. You better get to work, I want that e-mail address gone from that review today.

XXXXXXX XXXXXXX
----- Original Message -----
From: Vlad Kalchik (vladkalchik@yahoo.com)
To: XXXXXXX
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: my mother is dying


This book does work. Oxygen Element Plus that's stated in the book works and you have to buy. Buy this book and follow every step and you will be satisfied. Thank you

[JennaGlatzer]

I just saw publishamericasucks.com is closing as of January 15th. I hope Linda donates the domain name to someone who could use it, like Preditors and Editors, etc.

Excellent idea, except that if Dave is ever called on as a witness, that could make him look non-objective. Maybe it could redirect to Kate's page here: http://www.steelypips.org/miscellany/publishamerica.html

[ResearchGuy]

His name is not Pavel it is [Vladimir] Kalchik.

...
Hmmmmm ... there is some interesting Googling to be had. Let him who has ears hear ...

--Ken

[JennaGlatzer]

Only thing I found is the (former?) choir leader at a church near Auburn.

http://slavicgospelchurch.com/Contact%20Youth%20Ministry.htm

From Google:

Choirs (http://slavicgospelchurch.com/Photo%20Albums/Choirs.htm)
choir directors: Vladimir Kalchik, Vitaliy Gubarik and Ruslana Kot, Church choir.
choir directors: Vladimir Kazemirits and Vladimir Kalchik. Children choir. ...
slavicgospelchurch.com/Photo%20Albums/Choirs.htm - 11k - Supplemental Result - Cached (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Z6dcFCPbgQIJ:slavicgospelchurch.com/Photo%2520Albums/Choirs.htm+%22Vladimir+Kalchik%22&hl=en) - Similar pages (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:slavicgospelchurch.com/Photo%2520Albums/Choirs.htm)
Methinks Pavel is using his old choir director's name. That's my guess from seeing his profile page at... what was it called? MySpace?

[James D. Macdonald]

Re: Inter-board rivalry:

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[reph]

Well, Pavel the dear heart has found The Street-Smart Writer:

My first review!...
How did he find it? The most likely ways: (1) He's lurking here. (2) Someone from AW mentioned it in a review of his book.

Hmm – sort the members list by, uh – hmm.

[JennaGlatzer]

No, I listed my name and url in a review of his book (which has been deleted by Amazon). I knew I was opening myself up for that.

[CaoPaux]

Holy herniating heffalumps! Why is it that things always get liveliest when I'm away from my computer for a few days?

*sigh*

Carry on.... :e2cry:

[reph]

Mr. Tsupruk's name now brings up this thread near the top of Google's first page. If the Cure Cancer Kid isn't here now, he soon will be.

Link to Google search by "Pavel Tsupruk":

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=%22pavel+tsupruk%22

[Ol' Fashioned Girl]

As many of you have probably noticed, the one star review by 'Lia' is now the one and only spotlight review. Amazon probably thought this would save him the trouble of writing fake ones to get the bad reviews off the first page. What will you do now, Pavel? Threaten Amazon with hellfire?

Little did I know when I wrote it that it would get 'spotlight' status. I didn't know there was anything called 'spotlight'! I didn't even have much hope that it would do any good to write the review at all... so let that be a lesson to all of us. As Galadriel said to Frodo, even the smallest of us can make a difference.

[DeePower]

"even the smallest of us can make a difference."

And so you did.



Dee

[ResearchGuy]

Anybody want to be the first to review it? http://secure.publishamerica.com/bookstore/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jmpokrgof8

(Just kidding ... it is apparently still listed, but not a good idea to play that game.)

--Ken

[ResearchGuy]

I just stumbled across a review I wrote of a paperback mystery called Murder in the Swamp, which was not only published by a commercial publisher, but REpublished by another. Here it is:

Luminously bad writing, October 14, 2004
Reviewer:(California USA) -
http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/x-locale/communities/reputation/c7y_badge_rn_1.gif (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/14279681/pop-up/ref=cm_rn_bdg_help/103-9484724-6168626#RN) I have never seen more atrocious punctuation in a published book than in this one. In fact, I have never seen anything close. Every error one sees on roadside signs (plurals made with an apostrophe before the s, for example) appears in Murder in the Swamp. The book abounds with errors of usage, style, and punctuation that any minimally competent editor would have caught and corrected.

To that, add oddball errors of fact, such as the misunderstanding of a "league" as being several feet rather than three statute miles. In her descriptions of the scene, Kliewer refers to a "lake" as being not much larger than a tennis court. That to me is a pond, if not just a large puddle.

As I near the end of the book (I read on in morbid fascination) I am rewarded by the descent of the dialogue from merely stilted to luminously, transcendently horrible. NO ONE talks like that! For example to give the flavor, these lines come as a local resident (Lance) and lawman (Aaron) discuss the crime:

"Might not be insane," Lance replied, "could just be an evil person, a human predator of women."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Aaron speaks:] "Yes, strangled, but we don't know what was used to do that dastardly deed."

The dialogue has become so bad by this point in the book (p. 193 of 253) as to be hilarious. I am actually laughing out loud. It is as though the author simply reached a point at which she slapped down any words that came to mind simply to bring the book to an end. No editorial hand can have touched the manuscript.

Unless you, too, would like to see how bad a book can be and still be published (and reprinted by another publisher!), skip this one.


I finally gave up, skipped ahead to see whodunnit (which was becoming a whocares by that time), and tossed it aside. Eventually I will inflict it on a used book store.

--Ken

[mdin]

Anybody want to be the first to review it? http://secure.publishamerica.com/bookstore/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jmpokrgof8

(Just kidding ... it is apparently still listed, but not a good idea to play that game.)

--Ken

That's the secret bookstore. They carry all the books they've ever had there.

[PVish]

That's the secret bookstore. They carry all the books they've ever had there.

Ah, if it's "secret," that would explain why the list at the left still uses "PublishBritannica" under its "International Authors" category.

However, I notice that "PublishIslandica" is the other international category, not the old "PublishIcelandica."

Wonder why they changed one and not the other. . . .

[DaveKuzminski]

Thank you. That's more evidence to hand over to EB. I'm sure they'll like hearing that PA is still in violation of their trademark.

[CaoPaux]

That's the secret bookstore. They carry all the books they've ever had there.Hmm, I can't seem to find a certain novel about an elven vampire. Which is not a complaint, mind you. :e2paperba

[blacbird]

There are, in fact, more publishing slots open in the commercial presses than there are good books written in a given year. The myth of the good book not given a chance is just that: A myth.

Well, now, isn't that encouraging, interpreting what it says about unaccepted submissions in the face of an endless, unbroken string of rejections? Maybe 2006 is the year to take up woodcarving after all.

caw.

[James D. Macdonald]

You have to get the right manuscript on the right desk on the right day.

If a publisher is bringing out twenty books a year, and they've bought twenty, the twenty-first isn't getting bought, no matter how brilliant.

But a work that's publishable by one is publishable by many.

On the other hand, many many books aren't as great as they could be.

So if you're getting rejected, a) send it out to someone else, and b) write a new, different better book to send around.

Study the art -- don't just keep repeating the same mistakes.

[ResearchGuy]

Cancer boy's book reviews seem to have ceased to metastasize at Amazon. Meanwhile, this smoking-gun chain-letter post might have been overlooked before: http://www.voy.com/5774/1807.html. Showed up other places, too, such as this one (cached only, as site is gone): http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=%22Shakara+Ismel%22&ei=UTF-8&u=www.freeworldlicence.org/bulletin_message.cgi%3FID%3D000018&w=%22shakara+ismel%22&d=dr9Giw0DL6el&icp=1&.intl=us.

Here, too: http://reptilewins.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=music&action=display&thread=1078267537.

There may be more. Cancer boy is of course at the top of the list for each of these felonious scams.

(Looks like Cancer boy is also Shakara Ismel. See also http://www.gamblerstalk.com/bbs.cgi?noframes;profile=shakara+ismel.)

It figures that he would suggest something akin to chain-letter book buying at the PAMB -- with himself to be the only beneficiary.

--Ken

[SC Harrison]

There may be more. Cancer boy is of course at the top of the list for each of these felonious scams.

--Ken

One of the names listed has an address close to me, so I did a little Googling. This is a (supposedly) retired lawyer posting on a high school start-up website:

http://www.highschoolstartups.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000011.html

and this is another guy posting on a lung cancer site:

http://lung.bioimmune.com/message_boards/post.asp?msg=2115&brd=1

I'm going to stop following this trail, because it's starting to pi$$ me off big time.

[DaveKuzminski]

Just report him to the FBI and FDA. Let them deal with him.