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Tell all the newbees on the PA board about AbsoluteWrite...of course not just the neverending PA thread! The oldies might like it even more, and there's sure to be more drama there!
Wish you could use my username and psw but I don't want to do anything illegal.
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Maybe private mail is necessary.:Ssh: Oops!
You might want to 'save it' or print it for it to stand up in court, although without verification of receipt, only postal mail will do for sure! And remember, things can always be returned unopened to the sender anyway, so where do we go from here?
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Rumor has it that PA is selling ebooks again, via Amazon. Can anyone confirm? If yes, are the ISBNs different?
 

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Evidently, Amazon mistakenly listed several hundreds of PA books as "digital."
The price of the book was dropped by six dollars per book. There was some excitement on the PA board for a while, until the PA monitor came on alerted board members of the mistake. The ISBN for the digital copy of the book was different from the original.
 

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Well, we can always find these people connected with PA on yahoo search.

To explain to PA's investors how they are working things. Seems like they got alot of investors.
http://www.alibris.com/about/board.cfm
The more we stop them. The less they will get from Authors like our selves.
 

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Yes, I admit it. I am as dumb as a box of nails. On second thought, that statement is a compliment - to restate, I am as dumb as a rock. That's better.

Yesterday, there was a slight tremor which was felt across a few message boards concerning PublishAmerica selling "intellectual property" as an e-book with a different ISBN# on Amazon. I went to the Amazon site and yup, there it was, right above my trade paperback.

Well, okay. The intractable PublishAmerica contract - in a convoluted manner stated that PublishAmerica can take such an action without consulting the author. I used to get steamed about PublishAmerica's innate ability to pull rabbits out of their hat. As of late, I Post messages and ask questions of those in the "know."

Each board I Posted on (AW was down) for information concerning this event, frustrated other Posters and they also felt blindsided. Just for grins, click or paste into your browser the link below. Linda Roberts investigated PublishAmerica's current contract and came up with some interesting results concerning PublishAmerica's stand on e-books:

http://www.publishamericasucks.com/ebooks.html

PublishAmerica once again played stupid and took the fall back position, 'We had nothing to do with this, Amazon screwed up. This e-book situation affected other publishers as well.' Excuse me! Someone at Amazon decided to carry out PublishAmerica's scheme by involving other publishers property. It is a classic example of trying to implement a new marketing strategy - testing it out by using the cover of a "data entry malfunction," while covering it up and involving other publishers. What was this, a program or data entry mistake that began to run wild? Think of all the "successful marketing goofs" that the advertising agencies on Madison Avenue have employed in the past.

If everyone jumps on the bandwagon, pats them on the back for "pushing the envelope" which results in a temporary spike in sales - the marketing ploy was successful. If the goof leaves a bad taste in the public's mouth, the goof is pulled, some data entry clerk or low level advertising assistant falls on their sword and gets axed. The offending company puts out a statement and apologizes to everyone for the "error," and the matter is closed. It's a typical "Not Me" excuse and I do not buy into it.

My book in a printed trade paperback edition is priced at $24.95 + shipping and handling for 325 pages. The e-book appears on Amazon for the astounding price of $16.47 for 325 pages. Let's travel into my abstract world for a moment...

Imagine Peter Griffin from the animated series The Family Guy, decides that this is a great deal. In Peter's mind he can have the book downloaded to his computer - no muss, no fuss. Then, he decides to print out the entire book because his iPod malfunctioned, and the original download resides on his desktop or laptop. Peter loves to spend hours in the bathroom reading stuff.

He owns a common ink jet printer. After 50-75 copies the printer runs out of ink. Cost of an average ink jet cartridge - $16-$20 + tax. Three ink cartridges later and a ream of paper - the book is completely printed. Even at the low figure, the total cost of the book is - $55 including the paper it is printed on + the original investment of the e-book! $16.47 + $55 = $71.47. That amount is about three copies of the printed trade paperback, not including shipping and handling.

Okay. Let's go further out there. Suppose Peter downloads the book into his desktop/laptop computer and transfers the e-book to his iPod. For some odd reason the data becomes corrupted and or the computer malfunctions, then his iPod needs to be repaired or is lost. Poof! $16.47 fly’s out the window.

There is nothing like holding a book (no matter who prints it) in your hand. This low tech device - called a book, can be used with out batteries and is completely portable. Yes, one does need to illuminate the pages so that the words can be seen. The Sun and a lamp are good sources to fill that need.

I am a cheerleader for evolving and useful technology. However, sometimes the old way, is the best way. I guess dumb as a rock has its advantages.

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Arkie said:
Evidently, Amazon mistakenly listed several hundreds of PA books as "digital."
The price of the book was dropped by six dollars per book. There was some excitement on the PA board for a while, until the PA monitor came on alerted board members of the mistake. The ISBN for the digital copy of the book was different from the original.

I'm not sure if it's a mistake or not. It appears right now any book listed with Lightning Source (which includes most PoDs, many small presses, PA, etc) now has a digital download option. None of these e-books have real ISBNs. They have been assigned numbers that start with Bxxxxxxxxx, which are Amazon's ASIN numbers, or the code they assign to products without ISBNs.

Whatever this is, it wasn't initiated by PA. It seems like a new Lightning Source feature for publishers.

I went to check LS's website, but it seems to be down right now. I'll try again in the morning.
 

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Hi XThe NavigatorX,

Thank you for your investigation into this e-book debacle. The idea for this new e-book listing had to have been hatched by someone. LSI - Ingram - Amazon - PublishAmerica... This new e-book marketing idea was launched without any fanfare. It just appeared out of no where.

This e-book concept falls right into PublishAmerica's game plan of e-publishing. Look at it this way, PublishAmerica offered e-books in the past, and failed. Using the principle of "Other Peoples Money" - from the hit Broadway Play "The Producers" by Mel Brooks, it would stand to reason that PublishAmerica would embrace the idea of using the resources of LSI and Ingram to experiment with this new feature and generate immediate cash. There would be no printing or shipping involved. The Keywords here is: IMMEDIATE CASH from Credit Card Purchases.

I maybe punching air here. However, something just does not add up. Please find out what you can and educate us. Thanks!

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Jean - if it's any consolation to you, I tried ordering the book from the link you posted and found it could not actually be ordered from that link, even though it looks like it can. Maybe they have flipped some behind the scenes switch to disable ordering your book.
 

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I just visited Amazon and found my book is also listed now as a digital e-book (with an ISBN # I've never seen before and at a greatly discounted price).
Is this legal?
I've been under the impression PA can only sell the book as the 'actual' book I was originally sent (2 free copies of), with the correct ISBN # (that doesn't scan at cash registers and seems to be 'good for nothing' anyway).
Am I missing something here? And, do you know if this goes against what is written in the contract?
It seems to me that the contract should be null and void anyway because they call themselves "publisher" in it in the 1st place...but that's another story I guess!
Maybe I will have to call the Maryland Congressman's office soon (since I haven't heard back from them as of yet), and maybe you can too!
Your thoughts??????

Thanks!
 

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marsbar007 said:
Well, we can always find these people connected with PA on yahoo search.

In what way are those folks connected with PA?

Alibris is an online bookstore.
 

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Sara Rachael Hope said:
I just visited Amazon and found my book is also listed now as a digital e-book (with an ISBN # I've never seen before and at a greatly discounted price).
Is this legal?
As loath as I am to debunk a conspiracy theory, the Amazon eBook SNAFU is apparently the result of a computer misfire at Lightning Source and/or Ingram. These books do not exist, and PA had nothing to do with it: all publishers using Lightning Source have been affected. Amazon, etc., are working to straighten it out.

Read here for a good explanation of what happened. http://www.mindsightseries.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?lm=1121778912&file=/3831/5436.html
 

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marsbar007 said:
The site is owned by the owner of PA. This site is hidden from the Authors.
http://sellers.alibris.com/

Them people on the board are investors. They sure do have a big role in PA.
Another way of getting money from Authors.
http://www.marlenethornton.com

uh... got any proof?

I seriously doubt these claims have any validity... somehow I don't see anyone at PA having the ability to run a second-hand store site such as Alibris, given how efficient and professional they are.
 

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The site is owned by the owner of PA. This site is hidden from the Authors.
http://sellers.alibris.com/

Them people on the board are investors. They sure do have a big role in PA.
Another way of getting money from Authors.
http://www.marlenethornton.com

Did you bother reading the corporate information about Alibris? Alibris is not owned by the knuckleheads at PA. The CEO is one Martin Manley. Click on the these links for proof -->
http://www.alibris.com/about/management.cfm
http://www.alibris.com/about/board.cfm
http://www.alibris.com/about/advisory_council.cfm
 

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The site is owned by the owner of PA. This site is hidden from the Authors.
http://sellers.alibris.com/

I'm sorry, but I'm still not seeing Willem Meiners, Larry Clopper, Miranda Prather or any members of the POD Squad as owners of, or investors in, Alibris.

Alibris, which grew out of the old InterLoc system, was founded in Emeryville, CA, in 1998. They were founded by Dick Weatherford. Their CEO is Marty Manley. They went public in 2004.

See also:
http://www.ioba.org/newsletter/alibris.html
http://www.ioba.org/newsletter/V7/alibris.html
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1280998/000104746904012083/a2132099zs-1a.htm

Their gross income in 2003 was over $45 million dollars -- ten times more than PA's income.
 

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I am not sure, but I seen it somewhere. I am still looking. Then again, peoplesay so much it is hard to tell. All I know am I some mad. Publishamerica is just two men ruining Authors. I don't know how they think they can not keep up with the contract. It ,almost, seems like contracts mean nothing.
 

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I just checked Amazon and my book is now available for download. Oh , hello everyone, forgive my poor manners, I hope everyone is well :hi: . What's the royalty on an E-Book going for 16.95 ?? LOL.

It's sad bordering on depressing as I watch two years of hard work slide further and further down the Amazon ranking scale. I really had hopes for that story... Bummer. Hopefully the next one wil do better.
 

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I need the help of a few authors here.

Please go to Amazon and order the e book download and put the charge on your credit card or provide me with proof of purchase. I will reimburse you for the chagre but get the book downloaded. Keep it. Let me know at [email protected]

I am not getting paid so don't think for a sec that I want to sell any books. This is for legal reasons only. I do not have a contract and I have never been paid.

Please be advised that you will be asked by an attorney to provide this proof and provide testimony for court.
 

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My book went from $19.95 to $16.95 digital. That is so laughable! Sounds like a PA thingy to me. I hope it's a mistake, and will be corrected. However, it seems strange to me that ONLY PA books were involved and that makes me suspect. I don't expect great sales revenue....duh who would pay $16.95 for a digital download?
 

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My book went from $19.95 to $16.95 digital. That is so laughable! Sounds like a PA thingy to me. I hope it's a mistake, and will be corrected. However, it seems strange to me that ONLY PA books were involved and that makes me suspect.
And isn't this the same PA that cast aspersions on e-book authors on their infamous AuthorsMarket.net website? (Of course, no doubt, the real reasons for that were because 1) Dave K. has e-books in print and 2) they can't make as much money selling e-books to authors.

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I don't expect great sales revenue....duh who would pay $16.95 for a digital download?
I've seen e-books that price from major publishers, but it's usually for the latest hardcover. Supposedly, they price them that high because they're afraid that a cheap e-book edition would compete with the sales of the hardcover. Even staunch e-book fans tend to avoid buying these. Luckily, some e-book distributors (such as Fictionwise) try to discount some of these titles. (And we know that PA thinks discount is a four-letter word.)

And a PA e-book is another matter entirely. I wouldn't pay $16.95 for an ebook from an unknown author from PA, just as I wouldn't pay that for an e-book from a small indie e-book publishers or e-book vanity publisher, because I have no guarantee of quality. Also, considering the skill of PA's editors, I'm sure that their e-books would have problems with conversion of special characters, line breaks, spacing, etc., just like e-books I've purchased from some small e-publishers. Ugh, just the thought of what they'd end up creating... The blemish on the eyes. The horror, the horror. Eww.
 

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The site is owned by the owner of PA. This site is hidden from the Authors.
http://sellers.alibris.com/
I think some people might have seen the name "alibris" and confused it with "xlibris," which is a print on demand company. However, xlibris is not affiliated with PA either.

There have been cases of people who thought something was up because used book dealers were offering copies of PA books for sale on Amazon, eBay, etc. But in most cases, they were simply selling books they had acquired or listing what was available for order based on ISBN numbers.
 

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CaoPaux said:
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There are no ebooks.

It's a database problem at Amazon.

PA has NOTHING to do with it.


Read here: http://www.mindsightseries.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?lm=1121806746&file=/3831/5436.html

I read both yours and the mindsight post already Cao. I will remain skeptic until the matter is totally resolved. My trust factor is very low when it comes to PA and not much higher with Amazon. As I said, I want it to be a "glitch."