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kdnxdr
11-11-2011, 02:05 AM
http://newmedialab.cuny.edu/2010/03/virtual-poetry-project-dossier-2-perl-poetry/

For all you AIer's "out there", enjoy!


OOPS!! Correction: Perl Poetry/Extraction Poetry

kborsden
11-11-2011, 02:19 AM
Spookily similar to a poem I wrote 'requiem for virtual sheep'!! Go look it up (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213056&highlight=requiem+virtual+sheep)

Magdalen
11-11-2011, 02:22 AM
A rather unpleasant gimmick, imho.


The author humorously calls his writing a "Perl Port of Jabberwocky", using the common programmer's terminology of "porting" a program from one computing platform (operating system or programming language) to another. In this case, the "port" is not mere transcoding from one formal instruction code to another, but from English to instruction code in the first place - thus reversing the poetics of Lewis Carroll a.k.a. the Oxford logician Charles Lutwidge Dodson of translating aporias of formal languages into literary fictions.

Beyond being a mere transliteration of Carroll's poem into the typography of a Perl program, Andreychek's "jabberwocky" is real machine-executable code. Running it creates the two following two lines of output:

Beware the Jabberwock! at jabberwocky.pl line 8.,
Beware the Jubjub bird at jabberwocky.pl line 10.

More interesting than that, however, is the invisible output of the program. Similar to the forkbombs, but not as catastrophic, the poem generates three (dysfunctional) system processes, each of them being - literally - triggered by one of the three characters of the poem.

This "port" of Carroll's nonsense poem is very well crafted. By adding new dimensions to the text via its algorithmic functions, it is comparable to poems transformed by composers into musical songs.

http://www.runme.org/feature/read/+londonpl/+34/

kdnxdr
11-11-2011, 02:27 AM
Thank you, Magdalen, for the additional link.

I was just posting on the subject for anyone who might be interested in that type of poetry.

Also, I needed a quick "briefing" so I would know how to defend myself. :)

kborsden
11-11-2011, 02:37 AM
Gimmick or not -- it's interesting. My requiem piece is low level and so would stammer without the higher functions. The perl project intends a set up of high order functions to create the environment. Although still the parameters are largely imaginary and non relevant to any shell programme or stable binary execution. The main thought is this: what if a computer were able to interpret those factors? We work with logic to define our imaginations, and use expression and emotives to output what logic cannot -- computers can only use logic as pre-determined by us. Poetry in this sense is untouchable, even if it can be written to correct syntax that should be understood by a computer. But what if that weren't the case? True AI would require the ability to assimilate such factors into function through self-programming... dare I say it, artificial imagination.

kdnxdr
11-11-2011, 02:40 AM
Could intuition or inspiration be "wild cards"?

kdnxdr
11-11-2011, 02:42 AM
Also, I read somewhere(?) that human awareness/ability to discern is actually 9 senses, but I can't remember where I read it or how to explain it because I'm only running on three!

Magdalen
11-11-2011, 02:45 AM
Gimmick or not -- it's interesting.

Yes, Thanks for the link, Kd. It is interesting in the sense of understanding other, newer developments in poetry.


But what if that weren't the case? True AI would require the ability to assimilate such factors into function through self-programming... dare I say it, artificial imagination.

There's already enough competition out there!! And my blue fairy is on sabbatical, anyway.

Magdalen
11-11-2011, 02:45 AM
Could intuition or inspiration be "wild cards"?
I sure hope so!! In which case, my deck is stacked.

kborsden
11-11-2011, 02:47 AM
Intelligence is not the same as sentience, Elaine.

Intelligence is a prerequisite for sentience, but then so is self-awareness and consciousness. I don't think we'll see a fully sentient computer for a long while, but the prospect of an intelligent one, maybe, but first we need to understand what it is that not only defines intelligence in ourselves to the letter, but also any other related factors that could contribute toward it. Human intelligence needs to be dissected and re-interpreted.

kborsden
11-11-2011, 02:49 AM
It is interesting in the sense of understanding other, newer developments in poetry.

And even more so toward technological developments that determine the capability of a computer and it's logic in the interpretation of human expression and emotion -- and the actual possibility of it.

kdnxdr
11-11-2011, 03:18 AM
"Intelligence is a prerequisite for sentience, but then so is self-awareness and consciousness" : A chicken/egg in my little sphere.