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negesydd
11-04-2005, 12:55 AM
I've been lurking on various writing fora, including this one, for a couple of years, teetering on the edge of writing and not-writing. I've learned a fair bit about the industry, thanks to those who post here and elsewhere, both published and unpublished.

After perhaps fifty manuscript pages spread across several aborted writing projects, I've finally become serious about one. It is an idea for a "children's" novel, though I believe the technical term would be middle-grade. Basically, I would hope to target the same demographic as the original "Harry Potter" books. As for genre, I mean for it to be a contemporary adventure, set in the modern world, though with certain fantastical elements (no superpowers or magic spells are anything so overt).

I find that the Harry Potter books missed a great opportunity to explore the interactions between the "wizarding" world and "muggle" society, so I intend to weave the two strands together and use the disparities as a source of conflict and tension, as well as a cause for both guilt and temptation in the protagonist.

At any rate, I feel I'm at the point where I need help.

Just to put things in perspective, I think I have the perfect temperment to write. I have a very strong command of language, even though I admit I have a fair bit to learn in the novel-writing department. Still, I am a rapid learner. My ego is substantial enough to feel as though I have something to say, and tough enough that I know I can accept criticism readily. To sum up, I'm enough of a narcissist that I don't think confidence will be my problem.

My problem is in the writing PROCESS, which clearly I do not have down yet. My most major weakness is an overly critical "inner editor" -- however, unlike many, this doesn't make me doubt my talent or want to give up. Instead, it causes something much worse: I have a compulsion to re-write EVERYTHING I have written whenever I sit down to write.

For example, I've spent probably one hundred hours (or more) on the first six manuscript pages. Every time I sit down to write from where I left off, I find myself re-reading instead of writing. Inevitably, I think of some changes (minor or major) and spend hours tweaking it, until all the creative energy is sucked out of me. So basically, I never get anywhere.

This may be exacerbated by the fact that I am obsessed by beginnings. Am I right to feel this way? I think that the first paragraph of a manuscript has to reach out and yank the eyes out of the slush-pile reader's sockets. It has to be fluid, inherently interesting, either through voice or through some sort of hook that won't let go. I've gone back and read many successful examples in the genre, and I find that they all start out extremely strong. So I hold myself to high standards, but perhaps I should postpone the beginning until after the novel is actually written (in first draft form)?

So basically, I was hoping someone could point me to some online writer's group. Preferably some type of website where people can have profiles and post up excerpts of their work, or enter into mutual critiquing agreements. Ideally, it would be a free website, with the only cost being one's commitment and time, but I'll consider anything at this point.

I intend to join a real-life writing group, but there is also something to be said for anonymity, and the purity of a medium such as the internet, where one can only be judged by the work alone.

Anyone who has any suggestions or links for me, I'd appreciate it.

watcher
11-04-2005, 11:02 AM
Hi Negesydd

Welcome. I know of two online critique groups that work for children's writers.

http://www.critiquecircle.com/default.asp
which I use I use with fair results. You earn critique points by critquing other people's work and when you have 3 you can submit one of your stories for critique. You probably don't want to post more than a chapter at a time.

I've also heard that Boost4writers is especially good for children's writers. You actually apply and become part of a group that is forming and only that group critiques each other's work. You will have to search their website a little for details.
http://www.boost4writers.com/BOOST.html


Take Care,
Faye

PrettySpecialGal
11-05-2005, 05:02 AM
Hi, Negesydd-

I too, am now "getting serious" about writing. My problem is similar to yours in that each time I sit down to write, I want to perfect what's already there. I've had a story in my BRAIN for some years now, but again- I can get a bit out, but then obsess over one word/phrase/whatever, and can't get on with it.
So- here's what I've done that seems to be helping me out a bunch (so far, at least). I have signed up for NaNoWriMo (Check out the website; www.nanowrimo.org (http://www.nanowrimo.org/) )
I have committed myself to writing 50,000 words this November, and am working on that story in my head out of my head. I figure that if I can just GET IT OUT the first time, I can go back and obsess over it later- because I know I will. And that's when I need to. If I constantly do this cyclical re-writing process now, I'll never get it all out. I know myself well enough to know that. Besides, most of the rewriting could be for naught, since the book could turn out to be its own instead of the one in my head. But if I were to invest so much of myself in the rewrite now, I'll be more reluctant to change later.
This is my first attempt at NaNo- actually to anything longer than a couple thousand words- most of what I write is for the picture book audience. However, I do believe that by commiting myself to this project, I will strengthen my skills as a writer by forcing myself to learn the new skill of GETTING IT ALL OUT. (even if it isn't perfect when it comes out, I can work on it and grow with it later)

I hope this helps- if for nothing else to let you know that you are not alone in your learning. Good luck with it- so far, my NaNo story has 3015 words- and too many more to go. Not too bad for 2 kids, a hubby, a time-and-a-half teaching position with too-many meetings to prepare for! So- It's Friday night, and what better is there to do than to get busy!! I'll shoot for at least another 1000 words before I pass out from exhaustion. Then up again in the morning to get going again.
So, maybe I'll see you in NaNoland!

PSG

negesydd
11-05-2005, 05:33 AM
Thanks for the advice.

I know all about nano, but somehow it totally slipped my mind that it's an october/november thing. I'll think about it. At any rate I'll try to apply the same philosophy to my own work ethic.

Yeah, getting it all out makes sense. Also, I suppose I have to be content with the reality that the first pass is going to be horrendously bad. I don't mean grammatical errors; I just mean writing that, to me, feels "adolescent" and run-of-the-mill. I hate that. But I suppose it's necessary in the process.

Another objection I have is about getting it "all" out. At the moment, I don't have anything to get out. I don't have a hugely intricate story in my head, or even fully formed characters. I don't even have a properly conceived world -- just a bunch of writhing ideas. But I find it's easier to make it up as I go along.

One thing I'm trying is to write little bits all over the place, with no idea how to get from A to B, introducing characters to myself not by introducing them to the reader, but by pretending they're already established.

Anyone else do this?

Someone told me the other day that, if you have say 90,000 words in a first draft, 70,000 are likely crap and need to be scrapped. But that leaves a bunch of holes that are part of a general framework. Filling in the holes is much easier than creating something out of nothing. If you know what should be in the hole, and how it should get the reader from A to B, I think that's less daunting than wondering "ok... what the hell do I do now?"

rickmaniac
11-05-2005, 11:04 PM
Hi Negesydd,

Looks like you are aiming for the same market I am- contemporary fantasy, contrast with the 'normal' world, not too much wand waving etc

I'm on (I think!) my penultimate draft of my MS. I started it with no idea what it was about, got about 3-4 chapters in and realised I needed to sit down and plan out a story, complete with twists and turns, a protag with a goal, an antagonist etc. First draft was rubbish. I got a friend to read it and he said I needed an over-arching theme, in the way the first HP book is not about a missing stone, it's about a murderer trailing a little boy- that's back-story. I made my back-story after I'd finished a whole draft- about 17 chapters. Chopped the first 3 chaps up to set up my backstory, interspersed some references to it throughout and voila!

My point is, you have to discipline yourself to stop revising the MS before you've finished it. A first draft of anything is generally pants, but if you don't quit revising it now, you'll never get the first draft finished- I had to discipline myself with this too. The beauty of revising when you're done is you can look back at the start/middle of your story with fresh eyes, otherwise you go blind looking at it, changing a word here and there. The other bonus is your story, when finished, is not necessarily the story you started out writing- I ended up outlining mine and it still changed completely. It's hard to change the beginning when you don't know how it'll end.

A critique site you might want to have a look at is www.writersdock.co.uk (http://www.writersdock.co.uk). I also had a look at forums on fansites for children's books- HP being the obvious one- kids know what they like and they're not afraid to tell all. The biggest thing I learnt from their fansites was that children love second guessing the story- they love tracing clues and trying to figure out what'll happen- for me, that's why HP is more sucecssful than all the rest, and that's what I've tried to do with my work.

Bit of a waffle, there! Anyway, good luck!