And the people responsible for it are cool with that.
I will now repeat my mantra: To be angered by evil is to partake of it, stupid.
I will now repeat my mantra: To be angered by evil is to partake of it, stupid.
What really angers me is Flood saying "It's still a life." A life that was born too early with no chance of survival and had to suffer in vain to breathe.
It was not a probability of zero. The probability may have approximated zero, but there is a difference between finite and infinite.
It was not a probability of zero. The probability may have approximated zero, but there is a difference between finite and infinite.
Holding a dying infant for fifteen minutes has to be terribly traumatizing. My heart goes out to the parents in a big way.
Sen. Mike Flood will probably never understand the torment these parents went through...he's happy legislating from on high about the morals of their situation as HE sees them. What an ass.
It is possible that for this specific baby it was zero. An average 22nd weeker might have a specific probability of survival. A specific fetus however might have a zero chance.
Some people, myself included, might be more concerned with the less than 2 percent chance the baby would ever "function on even the most basic level." That's a pretty bleak statistic, and it's much more complicated than a risk of death. Death is final and absolute. If I were the parent, I would choose certain death over nearly-certain minimal function for my child, because that's what I would want someone else to choose for me. I understand a lot of people would disagree with my perspective there. I'm happy to agree to disagree as long as each couple can choose for themselves what they believe is best for their family.
Sen. Mike Flood will probably never understand the torment these parents went through...he's happy legislating from on high about the morals of their situation as HE sees them. What an ass.
So then for you, your personal cutoff for survival odds are 2%, where less than a 2% chance of complete recovery means somebody should pull the plug sooner than later if you are ever unable to answer for yourself?
That's an interesting way to approach it. Putting it in D&D terms, what saving roll is so low that the player is not allowed to roll?
If I'm ever unable to answer for myself, I'll want my family to weigh the quality of life I'm likely to have against the odds of complete recovery and decide what they feel is best, based on their own feelings and what they know of me. It wasn't a less than 2% chance of complete recovery. It was a less than 2% chance of basic function. And that doesn't say what the most likely survival scenario is - severe mental retardation? Completely vegetative state? Different people will make different choices.
If I faced certain death without a potentially life-saving surgery, and the surgery had a 98% chance of leaving me with severe brain damage and needing full-time care for the rest of my life, I would choose death.
No, a baby can't make that choice. Some parents will believe that anyone who can't make the choice to die should always be given every chance to live. I believe that sometimes parents have to make tough choices for their children, doing what they believe in their hearts to be best.
Sorry, I don't know D&D
Holding a dying infant for fifteen minutes has to be terribly traumatizing. My heart goes out to the parents in a big way.
Sen. Mike Flood will probably never understand the torment these parents went through...he's happy legislating from on high about the morals of their situation as HE sees them. What an ass.
I know little of the American health care system, other than my brief brushes, so I'm sure this is a silly question.
But why couldn't they have just gone to another hospital in another state? Couldn't the doctors have referred her out of state to another facility that could have performed the abortion?
I know that in Canada, WAY back when I was little, even though abortion is/was legal there were cases of abortions being performed under the guise of D&C's, where the doctor and family all wanted the same result but without the actual title on the medical record.
Again, I know little about the system so apologies in advance for seeming stupid.
(yes, I know that they shouldn't HAVE HAD to go to another state, but I'm just asking)
What frightens me is that we've already seen the extreme end of the anti-abortion spectrum: There are murderers who specifically target abortion clinics and specialists.
We haven't really seen the extreme end of the pro-abortion spectrum, to my knowledge, and I'm afraid of who their targets would be.
Exactly. I'm probably at the extreme end (of pro-choice), and I'm fond of saying I would defend Michelle's Duggar's right to have another kid every year just as vehemently as I'd defend her (or anyone else's) right to abort.But it would take truly twisted logic to go from "I believe all women should be able to make this choice for themselves" to murder. Even killing a politician wouldn't make sense, because that would hurt rather than help their case, politically. The extreme end of the pro-choice movement has absolutely no beef with women who want to keep their babies.
I don't think there's such a thing as a pro-abortion group.We haven't really seen the extreme end of the pro-abortion spectrum, to my knowledge, and I'm afraid of who their targets would be.
I don't think there's such a thing as a pro-abortion group.
Pro-life and Pro-choice are terms spin-doctors made. Point in fact, the groups are for or against abortion.
Baloney. More authoritarian "if you're not for us, you're against us" claptrap.Pro-life and Pro-choice are terms spin-doctors made. Point in fact, the groups are for or against abortion.