The assault of Lara Logan [title edited for accuracy]

Some certainly do seem to think she "had it coming," or at least doesn't deserve any sympathy:

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205025

Some of the reactions have been downright bizarre... it's really disgraceful.

If the new Egyptian government wants to be on friendly terms with the USA, then they need to find the rapists and prosecute them. If they look the other way, then we should cut Egypt off completely. There should be no compromise by Obama or Clinton on this issue.

Torrance said:

Some of the reactions have been downright bizarre... it's really disgraceful.

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10% of any given population is evil

Don, I really, really hate to be an asshole here, but um, she wasn't raped. She was sexually assaulted. Neither is even REMOTELY okay, but there is a difference.

I don't know that we have sufficient details to say, one way or the other.

Cranky said:

Don, I really, really hate to be an asshole here, but um, she wasn't raped. She was sexually assaulted. Neither is even REMOTELY okay, but there is a difference.

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This is true.

Meanwhile, kidnapping ain't no picnic.

robeiae said:

I don't know that we have sufficient details to say, one way or the other.

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This is what I was going off of, Rob, just for the record.

The separation and assault lasted between 20 and 30 minutes, according to the Wall Street Journal, which cited a person familiar with the matter. The source added that it was "not a rape."

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With that said, a sexual assault and beating so severe as to land you in the hospital is nothing to sneer at. It's fucking horrible. But I'd rather be precise. If other info comes in, I'll retract. I rather hope to not be contradicted, however.

Don Allen said:

I didn't know there was difference, but semantics aside, I read in several other articles that she was assaulted in the most "horrible ways"... Did I misunderstand those reports to mean something more horrible than rape??

You can change the title to "The sexual assault" if you think it's more appropriate. I don't have a problem with that.

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Almost every article reports it as a sexual assault, rather than rape. And regardless, it was horrible, whether she was (forgive me) penetrated or not. I'm not attempting to place a value judgment, here, either. Violation is violation. But there is a difference between the acts.

Don Allen said:

I didn't know there was difference, but semantics aside, I read in several other articles that she was assaulted in the most "horrible ways"... Did I misunderstand those reports to mean something more horrible than rape??

You can change the title to "The sexual assault" if you think it's more appropriate. I don't have a problem with that.

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I do not have the details, but it might be that she was "merely" groped and fondled, but penetration didn't occur.

But the news reports that the assualt itself lasted between 20 and 30 minutes. Even 3 minutes would be a gruelling marathon of self-preservation for most women while 20 to 30 would be a dozen lifetimes.

Plot Device said:

I do not have the details, but it might be that she was "merely" groped and fondled, but penetration didn't occur.

But the news reports that the assualt itself lasted between 20 and 30 minutes. Even 3 minutes would be a gruelling marathon of self-preservation for most women while 20 to 30 would be a dozen lifetimes.

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And by a gang of people, too. Beaten on top of it, as if that wasn't enough.

Cranky said:

And by a gang of people, too. Beaten on top of it, as if that wasn't enough.

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She won't be the same after this.

regdog said:

Her assault was appalling and a disgrace.

Cheers must be given to the Egyptian women and and soldiers who came to her rescue.

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My first thought was that it was a group of Mubarak supporters who were taking revenge on the "foreign media" who helped bring him down.

I'm still thinking that.

As sickening as this reaction is, I no longer find it surprising. There're still people in this country who blame children for being molested, and plenty of folks whose hatred of Nancy Pelosi began with "She doesn't know her place" (and said as much).

I think people are so EFFING desensitized to exactly how horrible sexual assault of any kind is.

This is a very sad story.

robeiae said:

Some certainly do seem to think she "had it coming," or at least doesn't deserve any sympathy:

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205025

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Torrance said:

Some of the reactions have been downright bizarre... it's really disgraceful.

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People who are raped never get sympathy or if only a little. If you follow these kind of stories there's always the shaming that comes with it, it somehow always ends up being the victims fault to the rape apologists. It's really warped but I feel quite sad in that I don't feel phased by these comments except thinking "Same old, same old" towards them.

Cranky said:

Don, I really, really hate to be an asshole here, but um, she wasn't raped. She was sexually assaulted. Neither is even REMOTELY okay, but there is a difference.

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I don't know how the U.S. law defines sexual assault but rape falls under sexual assault in the UK as far as I know. It's a broad term and lawyers use it when they want to prosecute for multiple assaults.

Also it is a biiiig stretch to assume that all Egyptians condone this. I still this it was the pro-muburak supporters. It's like using that recent UK soldier who killed and raped that Iraqi girl as example of what the whole of the army is like. There are depraved and utterly evil people in all societies.

fireluxlou said:

People who are raped never get sympathy or if only a little. If you follow these kind of stories there's always the shaming that comes with it, it somehow always ends up being the victims fault to the rape apologists. It's really warped but I feel quite sad in that I don't feel phased by these comments except thinking "Same old, same old" towards them.



I don't know how the U.S. law defines sexual assault but rape falls under sexual assault in the UK as far as I know. It's a broad term and lawyers use it when they want to prosecute for multiple assaults.

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And as Robovowels pointed out to me in reps, there could be privacy issues at work, as well. So I've left Don's title alone -- we just don't know exactly what happened. Besides, it's still a horrific thing no matter what, so at least we can all agree on that much.

fireluxlou said:

People who are raped never get sympathy or if only a little. If you follow these kind of stories there's always the shaming that comes with it, it somehow always ends up being the victims fault to the rape apologists.

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I think people have become desensitized to the apologists, but that doesn't make the apologists any less evil. Unfortunately I don't see any way of making them all go away. It's just a sad fact of life that a (hopefully vanishingly small) minority of people will have the wrong reaction to horrifying events.