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Diana Hignutt
10-27-2010, 10:53 PM
What a world. The site I got this from is questionable, I'll give you that, but all the more reason they should be afraid:


Is nonconformity and freethinking a mental illness? According to the newest addition of the DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), it certainly is. The manual identifies a new mental illness called “oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD. Defined as an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance...


http://www.prisonplanet.com/is-free-thinking-a-mental-illness.html

I've been advised by a semi-trusted friend that this is in the new DSM-IV.

The Soviets used mental illness as a political weapon, back in the day. Are you worried? Of course, not. No one would ever do that here. Right?

"Everything is proceding as I have foreseen." - The Galactic Emperor, Star Wars

jennontheisland
10-27-2010, 10:57 PM
Yay! I get more letters!

SPMiller
10-27-2010, 11:00 PM
Gross misinterpretation of the diagnosis.

veinglory
10-27-2010, 11:03 PM
Any conduct is a psychiatric illness when carried to extremes, just as any substance is a toxin when consumed in excess (even water).

kuwisdelu
10-27-2010, 11:16 PM
First of all, the last "new" DSM-IV was in 2000, and nothing much in it changed from the 1994 version. Wait for the DSM-V.

Secondly, here's the description on wikipedia (I know, I know, just read it):

Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn. Temper tantrums, stealing, bullying, and vandalism are some of key symptoms of oppositional defiant disorder. ODD children may present as negative, defiant, unable to take "no" for an answer, deliberately annoying others, easily annoyed themselves, or blaming others for all that goes wrong.[1] The child's behavior often disrupts the child's normal daily activities, including activities within the family and at school.[2]

Yeah, sounds like you and Don. :rolleyes

Vince524
10-27-2010, 11:37 PM
Yeah, sounds like you and Don. :rolleyes

He was the 1st person I thought of even before I clicked on the thread. Wonder what that says? :Shrug:

Don
10-27-2010, 11:43 PM
Gee, an authority declares that being anti-authoritarian is a disease. I'm shocked, I tell ya.

When are they going to list "desire for coercive power over others" in their damned manual? :D

Sheryl Nantus
10-27-2010, 11:44 PM
Given the nature of the website it's not surprising that they reached that conclusion...

*yawn*

nothing to see here, move along...

;)

Xelebes
10-27-2010, 11:44 PM
Gee, an authority declares that being anti-authoritarian is a disease. I'm shocked, I tell ya.

When are they going to list "desire for coercive power over others" in their damned manual? :D

Borderline Personality Disorder might have that symptom as well as some forms of Anti-Social Personality Disorder.

Kitty Pryde
10-27-2010, 11:49 PM
Yeah, that's not what ODD is at all. It's a diagnosis given to little kids who have lived traumatic lives (like been badly abused), and now have a set pattern of adverse behavior. Like, you have a smart and charming kid who wants to be good and please people. He asks for a second cookie for dessert, you tell him no, and he flips out into a tantrum that takes a full hour to recover from, during which he calls you every dirty word he knows, tries to hurt you, tries to destroy property, screams, cries, and pees on you. When it's over, he will back to acting like a regular loving kid. This is the type of naughty behavior that can't be modified with normal discipline and behavior management. It's not about being a nonconformist.

Don
10-27-2010, 11:52 PM
Borderline Personality Disorder might have that symptom as well as some forms of Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
But how often is someone who devotes their entire career to the pursuit of that desire diagnosed as such? I think megalomania should figure in there somewhere too. :D

Zoombie
10-28-2010, 12:08 AM
Yeah, what Kitty describes sounds like...an...actual mental disorder, not just being a non-con-form.

kuwisdelu
10-28-2010, 12:24 AM
Gee, an authority declares that being anti-authoritarian is a disease. I'm shocked, I tell ya.

When are they going to list "desire for coercive power over others" in their damned manual? :D

But how often is someone who devotes their entire career to the pursuit of that desire diagnosed as such? I think megalomania should figure in there somewhere too. :D

Being anti-authority is a single symptom of many, and it takes far more than one symptom to make any kind of diagnosis for anything.

One symptom doesn't make a mental illness. The description clearly shows that it is not an "anti-authoritarian disease".

veinglory
10-28-2010, 12:58 AM
I think deifying rebellion is no better than deifying authority.

Don
10-28-2010, 01:29 AM
Yeah, what Kitty describes sounds like...an...actual mental disorder, not just being a non-con-form.
This year, at least.

Zoombie
10-28-2010, 01:30 AM
And if it changes, we worry.

Till now, ehhhhhhhhhhhh.

shadowwalker
10-28-2010, 01:31 AM
ODD has been around for quite some time - and yes, this type of behavior 'becomes' an illness when, like other behaviors designated mental illnesses, it goes to such an extreme that it adversely and extremely affects one's ability to function in 'normal society' (causes serious problems at work, in relationships, in day-to-day living). It is not just being a non-conformist.

Xelebes
10-28-2010, 01:35 AM
But how often is someone who devotes their entire career to the pursuit of that desire diagnosed as such? I think megalomania should figure in there somewhere too. :D

The problem is that the diagnosis happens on an interpersonal level. For example, an abusive partner who puts their partner on an emotional yo-yo, effectively trapping them and making them walk on eggshells. Or an abusive partner that will throw you out if you so dare oppose, pushing towards criminal behaviour of physical abuse or attempted murder and laugh if you so dare to call on their behaviour. I've met people like this and they are scary.

Power-mongers are more benign than that. However egomania may drive them towards paranoia, thus leading towards a narcissistic personality disorder.

Don
10-28-2010, 01:36 AM
ODD has been around for quite some time - and yes, this type of behavior 'becomes' an illness when, like other behaviors designated mental illnesses, it goes to such an extreme that it adversely and extremely affects one's ability to function in 'normal society' (causes serious problems at work, in relationships, in day-to-day living). It is not just being a non-conformist.
Ah... like hanging out all day on political forums instead of getting out in the sunshine and enjoying the world. Glad none of us have anything to worry about, then. :ROFL:

whacko
10-28-2010, 01:40 AM
Defined as an “ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior,” symptoms include questioning authority, negativity, defiance...


Didn't that used to be called adoloscence?

I hope I got the bloody spelling right.:D

BenPanced
10-28-2010, 01:44 AM
First of all, the last "new" DSM-IV was in 2000, and nothing much in it changed from the 1994 version. Wait for the DSM-V.

Secondly, here's the description on wikipedia (I know, I know, just read it):
Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as an ongoing pattern of disobedient, hostile and defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People who have it may appear very stubborn. Temper tantrums, stealing, bullying, and vandalism are some of key symptoms of oppositional defiant disorder. ODD children may present as negative, defiant, unable to take "no" for an answer, deliberately annoying others, easily annoyed themselves, or blaming others for all that goes wrong.[1] The child's behavior often disrupts the child's normal daily activities, including activities within the family and at school.[2]

Yeah, sounds like you and Don. :rolleyes
I KNEW it! Half the people I work with "have problems".

TerzaRima
10-28-2010, 02:19 AM
The Soviets used mental illness as a political weapon, back in the day. Are you worried? Of course, not. No one would ever do that here. Right?



Bless your heart.

clintl
10-28-2010, 04:52 AM
I think deifying rebellion is no better than deifying authority.

Best quote of the day.