Rebel Tales - New Serial Zine

[Rubay H.]

http://rebeltales.com/

It's fairly new, I already tried and got a rejection but maybe some of you will have better luck! ;)

[Griesmeel]

Got my first rejection too. :)

[Rubay H.]

:Hug2:Got my first rejection too. :)

[Griesmeel]

Thx :)

:e2bike2: shall we? :)

[MJNL]

Hey, long time lurker jumping in for the first time for one question: What are Rebel Tales pay rates? I've searched the site and found a post made before the zine became a reality that discusses the potential of royalties, but nothing that states for certain how an author is to be paid. Any one know for sure how the process is supposed to go?

It looks like a good market, but I have a personal rule about not submitting to a market that can't tell me what I'll earn for my submission.

[Griesmeel]

Came across this as well:
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194104&highlight=rebel+tales
I haven´t done the gritty homework on it myself but I like the tone of the whole setup.
Thus, I submitted a short story. A novel, when finished, I'm not sure about yet.

[MJNL]

Ah, thanks :)

[MumblingSage]

Holly Lisle knows what she wants and is clear about it, which I think is promising. Readers will know what they're getting when they subscribe to this. So will writers, though reading guidelines that long always gives me a feeling of jumping through hoops--although most of what she's asking for is really just sound, basic writing advice.

The one thing that throws me is I can't find concrete submission guidelines anywhere--she's clear on how she wants you to write the story, but how long does she want the story to be? Formatting? Attachment as .rtf or pasted into the email? What goes in the cover letter besides the theme of the story?

[shelleyo]

Hey, long time lurker jumping in for the first time for one question: What are Rebel Tales pay rates? I've searched the site and found a post made before the zine became a reality that discusses the potential of royalties, but nothing that states for certain how an author is to be paid. Any one know for sure how the process is supposed to go?

It looks like a good market, but I have a personal rule about not submitting to a market that can't tell me what I'll earn for my submission.


You don't get paid outright. It's a royalty-sharing thing. Her plan is to keep everything "in print" and continue to sell everything ad infinitum or, as she says at least once, as long as it's profitable. So the idea is that if it sells well, you'll get something. If not, you don't.

[shelleyo]

The reason it's hard to find the information is because the first submissions are from a private list. Submissions for the first round are only for the people already on the Rebel Tales mailing list, and she asked that people not send the submission link around. After the first round with people on that list, then I guess she plans to make submissions public.

At least this is how I've understood everything so far.

[Rubay H.]

The reason it's hard to find the information is because the first submissions are from a private list. Submissions for the first round are only for the people already on the Rebel Tales mailing list, and she asked that people not send the submission link around. After the first round with people on that list, then I guess she plans to make submissions public.

At least this is how I've understood everything so far.


Yep, and you can sign up for that mailing list here:

http://rebeltales.com/queries/

[Griesmeel]

The first round of queries will be untill November 18th. No mention of when the second round will open though, I guess that same day. And yes, there's a pretty comprehensive manual, so as soon as they open for everybody that will no doubt be available.

My gut feeling, in any case, is good. She seems to be genuinely trying to make publishing interesting for those that do the actual work.

[Manuel Royal]

It certainly looks interesting. I love the idea of serial fiction. Like a lot of us, I've done some in a small way on my blog.

Looks like I need to do a bit of reading before I think about submitting anything. My first impression is that she wants query letters, like for a novel -- which I guess makes sense if they want to do long-term serializations.

[Griesmeel]

Looks like I need to do a bit of reading before I think about submitting anything. My first impression is that she wants query letters, like for a novel -- which I guess makes sense if they want to do long-term serializations.

Correct, query letter and synopsis. When the editor likes those he or she will ask for the story itself. Six installments to a season, cliffhangers required.
As I'm just starting out, it was good practice at least. :)

[Manuel Royal]

Hm. Interesting guidelines. Ms. Lisle and I obviously disagree about a few things. (E.g., apparently The Odyssey is not a story, and is not about humans.) Still, I might give it a chance.

ETA: Maybe not. I have a headache after reading those guidelines. Condescension and arrogance are annoying even when I agree with the point being made. (Especially if you misspell "Tolkien" in your description of what Fantasy is.)

Perhaps it's just too early in the morning. I'm a little grumpy.

ETA some more: Hrm. In the "Query / Synopsis Manual", it appears they want the work to be complete before submission, even if it's to be serialized. That would take away some of the excitement for me.

[Henri Bauholz]

I read the guidelines and that was enough for me.

[MumblingSage]

I read the guidelines and that was enough for me.

Enough in what way? It looks like we've already got some varied opinions here...

[Rubay H.]

I read the guidelines and that was enough for me.

For me, at first, I felt the tone was a bit heavy handed and the details for the guidelines overwhelming, but in the end - it's really sound advice and they are aimed at producing better writers.

Her guide for how she wants a query letter written is a treasure in itself and I learned a ton just from doing it - despite me mumbling curses during the process. ;)

[Henri Bauholz]

Well first of all her word count for just the general guidelines must be several thousand words and that's not including her sections on different genre, such as fantasy, suspense and paranormal. Then she goes into details about how to write antagonists, protagonists, secondary characters, plot destiny & fate, theme and style. It seems to me like she's teaching a seminar instead of listing guidelines.