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I just started reading Vampire Academy (book 1). It's been on the NYT Best Selling Series list. Why is this good for my ego? I'm only halfway through, caught several awkward phrasings and a couple typos. Apparently this can be overlooked if the book itself is engrossing.

Now to stop agonizing over piddly details and actually write something....
 

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The flaws of other published works are no excuse for laziness.

On the other hand, yes, you shouldn't agonize so much over such small details you can't get anywhere.
 

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I started a thread in the AW Roundtable about errors that "somehow got by the editors" and it started a long discussion of who is really responsible for the final product: author, editor, other (that huge group of the unnamed and unwashed)?

Not to open that discussion up again, but I'm currently reading Maas's book on the breakout novel (published in 2001) and he writes about how the editor/author relationship has changed. He says that editor workloads have greatly increased over the past twenty years (and even more now, I would guess) and that "soft editing" is caused by pressure to get books into production. Previously, editors were involved with writers in all the stages of development. Now, they are wanting a completed manuscript and if there are lots of problems in the final manuscript, there is little time to do anything about it; they'd have to pull the book from its position, send it back to the author, and so on.

All that said, there are often errors in books that show the writer does not have the best command of grammar and usage skills, but rather than use that as a reason to aim for engrossing and let the participles dangle where they may, aim for engrossing and error free. A manuscript with both has to stand out on an agent's or editor's desk! :e2BIC:
 

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Who said anything about aspiring to mediocrity? I'm just glad I have a little leeway for human error.

I'm stealing that bumper sticker quote for my facebook, though.
 

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I'm on book 4 of Vampire Academy. I have noticed that a few errors got through, but I still think it's a great story.

Strangely, I'm reading a science book right now (that's not the strange part!) and there have been no spelling errors of any of the words I knew. Like, there may be spelling errors of some of the species names or some such, but nowhere else in the book has errors. Perhaps editors of Non-Fiction have a more strict policy about letting little details like that slip through?

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That's the thing isn't it? If the story itself is strong all the way through, errors are overlooked as kind of a "that's a shame--oh well" sort of thing.

This is the first book I've read since I started writing my MS. It's a surprisingly odd feeling.
Just finished the first book by the way. I'm hooked. I really should read some books in 3rd ltd though. I kept going off in my head about how I should switch POVs to 1st person. Ehh no.
 
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Who said anything about aspiring to mediocrity? I'm just glad I have a little leeway for human error.

I'm stealing that bumper sticker quote for my facebook, though.
No one's saying you are, but it's a slippery slope from "They got away with it," to calling it leeway for human error and from thence, "Ah, it doesn't matter."

Trade up, trade up, trade up.
 

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I felt that way when I read twilight. I realised two things:

1. Standards are apparently slipping.

2. If a book as lacking in plot, character and, lets be honest, editing as Twilight is, then surely anyone can be published.
 
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i felt that way when i read twilight. i realised two things:

1. standards are apparently slipping.

2. if a book as lacking in plot, character and, lets be honest, editing as twilight is, then surely anyone can be published.

Shaldna, this is a writing forum where writers hang out. It's always a good idea to write properly (aside from the occasional typo or boo-boo that we all make), most especially when criticising the writing of others.
 

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Nobody "lets" stuff slip through. Mistakes happen. Plenty of people are involved in putting a book out, and it's impossible to catch everything. Everyone hopes to make it perfect, but stuff always slips by. I've had people tell me about the typos they found in my book, too, and I have an amazing editor and one of the toughest copy editors on the planet. And stuff still got past us. A few mistakes aren't a big deal and doesn't mean quality is slipping. A badly edited or proofed novel where mistakes are on every other page is a quality problem.

And just because you don't like a book or think it's badly written, doesn't mean it is. None of us are the ultimate judge of what's good. We just know what we like. So called "bad books" got published and people are reading them and loving them. There are plenty of books out there I don't care for, but I try not to trash the author. Some people don't like my book either, have said bad things about my writing, while others have said it's the best book they ever read. And they're both right because they both have their own views on what's good. Those who aren't published yet will have people love and hate their books, too. That's just the way it is.

But for the OP, yep, I always feel a little better when I see mistakes, both in book and magazines. It lets me know that mine aren't a big deal and it happens to everyone.
 

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I put typos and awkward prose in two very different categories. You can turn in a perfect MS and bust your head over galleys, and a type may still creep in. But if awkward prose is getting through -- YOUR awkward prose -- that's bad on you.

But keep repeating the mantra, I can fix it in revision. Don't let perfectionism keep you from finishing a first draft (or even a second or third one) in good time.
 

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And just because you don't like a book or think it's badly written, doesn't mean it is. None of us are the ultimate judge of what's good. We just know what we like. So called "bad books" got published and people are reading them and loving them. There are plenty of books out there I don't care for, but I try not to trash the author.


I think you're right here too, taste is personal, especially when it comes to HOW the book is written. I know that I've liked books other people have hated, and vice versa.

But it's not so much the tone/story etc that annoys me, or even the occassional typo, because they happen.

What really winds me up is poor grammar, misused words, or thesaurus abuse. And purple prose. But that's a whole other rant for another day.
 

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I just started reading Vampire Academy (book 1). It's been on the NYT Best Selling Series list. Why is this good for my ego? I'm only halfway through, caught several awkward phrasings and a couple typos. Apparently this can be overlooked if the book itself is engrossing.

Now to stop agonizing over piddly details and actually write something....

RIGHT!!

Although when YOU finish your book and it finds a publisher, you won't overlook anything piddly in the galley copy. Right?
 

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RIGHT!!

Although when YOU finish your book and it finds a publisher, you won't overlook anything piddly in the galley copy. Right?

lol, they're bound to show up. I just hope if they slip by me, someone else calls me on it.

But keep repeating the mantra, I can fix it in revision. Don't let perfectionism keep you from finishing a first draft (or even a second or third one) in good time.

I should put that on a sticky note on my laptop. I'll write one chapter, then the next day I'll go back to reread it, and end up spending the entire day editing the crap out of it; in effect, failing to come up with new material and advance. It's a compulsion. I'm practically OCD with it.
 

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That's the way I'm trying to look at it. I don't aspire to be the next Stephen King or George Lucas. I just want to write a good, relatively unique story, and not have it effed up with little things.
 
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