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blacbird

12-01-2009, 08:25 AM

Wayne K

12-01-2009, 08:35 AM

In fifth grade the two big bullies decided it was a good idea to mess with me. I stabbed the bigger of the two in the arm with a pen knife and put the blade to the other ones neck until Father Nick got there.

They never messed with me again.

Williebee

12-01-2009, 09:18 AM

not enough real blood, violence and consequences in their lives, growing up?

JoNightshade

12-01-2009, 09:29 AM

Kids have always done stupid crap like this. Kids are stupid. That's why this stuff happens. Ever read Lord of the Flies? We're all savages.

Wayne K

12-01-2009, 09:32 AM

You wanna know how you deal with kids like this? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get them! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

Wayne K

12-01-2009, 09:34 AM

I want you to get this fuck where he breathes! I want you to find this nancy-boy Eliot Ness, I want him DEAD! I want his family DEAD! I want his house burned to the GROUND! I wanna go there in the middle of the night and I wanna PISS ON HIS ASHES!

Wayne K

12-01-2009, 09:35 AM

These guys had nothing on my grandmother and grandfather. :)

Zoombie

12-01-2009, 02:13 PM

Did...they like, not understand the entire point of the South Park episode?

No, wait, who thinks this was even about South Park? They were just looking for an excuse to be douche-bags. And if they understood anything about the show, they'd notice how almost 95% of the time, Cartman gets whats coming to him. I can only hope that too carries over to real life.

tarcanus

12-01-2009, 05:52 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34212933/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

Why does anybody find it acceptable, even cool to physically attack anybody else? Can someone please explain this so my poor inadequate mind can understand it?

caw

I'm thoroughly surprised that you're surprised that idiot 12 and 13 year olds are capable of this. Anyone who has gone through the public school system should be well aware of this kind of idiocy - only nowadays these kinds of things are happening with younger and younger kids.

DWSTXS

12-01-2009, 06:41 PM

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 07:44 PM

Kids have always done stupid crap like this. Kids are stupid. That's why this stuff happens. Ever read Lord of the Flies? We're all savages.

Ditto.

Kids do stupid crap. Not I admit that this particular load of stupid crap was exceedingly stupid, but not completely off the charts as far as the stupid non-logic that many stupid kids that age stupidly work through with their stupid minds.

Did...they like, not understand the entire point of the South Park episode?

Most likely not. Like Alex from A Clockwork Orange who was sitting in the prison library where he was serving time for murder, he read the Bible and read the story of Jesus dying for our sins, and all he could do was marvel with great glee over what a fucking cool and bloody and gorey story of beatings and whippings and cruelty that Jesus suffered at the hands of those way-cool Roman guards. And he just so very much wanted to read of MORE beatigs and whippings in the Bible.

No. Those kids did NOT get the gist of that South Park episode any more than Alex got the gist of Jesus' sufferings.

No, wait, who thinks this was even about South Park?

It's about kids mimicking something they saw on TV and getting carried away with it. Anyone who tries to say "Kids don't REALLY copy stuff from TV" doesn't know what they're talking about, or else they're trying to protect a TV show from being censored. Kids DO copy TV. So leaving your kid to watch TV unsupervised isn't wise.

They were just looking for an excuse to be douche-bags.

They were just "acting out" something that got them jazzed.

I say that one of the aspects of this whole endeavor of "kicking ginger heads" as demonstrated in that South Park episode sparked some sort of appeal in their souls. They latched onto that one element of appeal and then it just ballooned from there.

"Parental Guidance Suggested" ain't just a cute slogan.

And if they understood anything about the show, they'd notice how almost 95% of the time, Cartman gets whats coming to him. I can only hope that too carries over to real life.

That would mean that the kids fro the news story would've needed to have had a properly engaged and fully functioning social conscience.

We of this web site --as story tellers-- should all know that "the moral of the story" is the final underlying and overarching message of the tales we spin. But that final, final "point" to our stories can't possily be comprehended by anyone without their emotional equipment fully fuctioning during the imbibement of the story. If their moral and emotional machinery are on the fritz (either due to lack of use or some inherant biological flaw or even due to a psychoactive drug inhibiting their moral awareness) then all they will be able to drink in is the messed up behaviors of the characetrs we portray. So yes: they WILL miss the moral point of the story and thus the humanity of our creative works just sails right over their heads.

Again: "Parental Guidance Suggested" means parents need to guide their kids through their moral development. It take smany years to do that, startig from birth and leading all the way up through to the age of 12 or 13 (the ages of the perpetrators in this news story). After the teen years finally begin, if their moral outlook isn't MOSTLY shaped at that point, it likely never will be.

DavidZahir

12-01-2009, 08:11 PM

This is a comment about parents more than anything else. South Park is not a program for children. It also says something about Los Angeles, imho, about it as a milieu in which children grow and soak up attitudes, preferences, ideas, behaviors, etc. And I friggin' LIVE HERE.

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 08:55 PM

I want to add one more comment that has only a tiny little bit to do with dumbass kids doing dumbass shit to poor helpless innocent kids nearby who were guilty of nothing more than having red hair.

I went to Bible college for many years, and chapel attendence was mandatory. We absolutely HAD to go to chapel every single frigging day. Cutting chapel was heavilly restricted. Over-cutting chapel was grounds for expulsion. Being late was severely punished. (No lie--you got in huge trouble for being late too often.)

Usually I sat in the back row so I could get the hell out of there ASAP and go to my next class. But sometimes I sat in the balcony where there were only about 60 seats available -- the main seating area below had over 400 seats. I noticed when I sat in the balcony and looked down at the backsides of over 400 heads of hair, (the entire assemblage of the student body) that the 50 or 80 or so kids (usually girls, and sometimes with the help of hair coloring) on our campus who had very very VERY blonde hair always stood out very strongly. But then there were the tiny minority of just 10 or 12 kids (males and females alike) who had red hair -- and I do mean RED hair! Super-brazen red hair. Those 10 or 12 students REALLY stood out! Red hair stands out in a crowd of hundreds with a far more of a glaring distraction to the eye than any other hair color (at least I think so).

Now don't get me wrong--I acually LOVE red hair. I think It's kinda sexy actually (look at my avatar!). I'm simply trying to say that these kids stand out from everybody else. It is said that "blondes have more fun" and it is also said that "tall dark and handsome" is the way to go. But red hair has them all beat as far as drawing the eye instantly, especially in my situation of sitting high above in a rear-balcony and looking down at the back sides of hundreds of heads of hair (and no hats were allowed in chapel either, males and females alike).

What I'm really saying is: they're a target. They're a bullseye. You'd be hard-presed to pick out a blonde in a crowd and successfully differentiate that blonde from a dozen others. But a red head is a very rare hair color (at least in this culture) and makes a dead-on target that you can't mistake.

Cyia

12-01-2009, 09:01 PM

Kids like to gang up on kids.

My guess? They needed a trait that stood out and using skin color would have gotten them picked up on hate crime charges. Hair color's just assault.

dgiharris

12-01-2009, 09:04 PM

Kids have always done stupid crap like this. Kids are stupid. That's why this stuff happens. Ever read Lord of the Flies? We're all savages.

Yes, kids are stupid, savage, group think creatures struggling to form their own identities...

You wanna know how you deal with kids like this? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get them! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?

Bit of an overreaction don't ya think

This is a comment about parents more than anything else. South Park is not a program for children. It also says something about Los Angeles, imho, about it as a milieu in which children grow and soak up attitudes, preferences, ideas, behaviors, etc. And I friggin' LIVE HERE.

Again, this could be any group of kids anywhere across the nation. kids of all races and classes do stupid things like this because...umm.... well.... because they are kids.

Wonder how long until the morality police 'blame' Southpark.

Incidentally, this is why it is important that you teach your kids how to defend themselves and fight.

Yes, and fight.

The world that kids live in is a very frightening and sometimes violent one. Don't send them into the cold cruel world unprepared.

Because speeches and lovely little quotes aren't much comfort to your child when he/she is getting the snot beat out of them.

Mel...

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 09:15 PM

Kids like to gang up on kids.

My guess? They needed a trait that stood out and using skin color would have gotten them picked up on hate crime charges. Hair color's just assault.

I think you're crediting them with a little too much cleverness and creativity because you're trying to say they were "inteligent" enough to think things through far enough to where IF they got caught they'd at least get off on a lesser charge. But this kind of behavior never "thinks things trough." It's an impulsive kind of a crime spawned by an illogical and undisciplined mind that indulges in ausement, not a cold and calculating sort of a crime that was carefully thought through with shrewdness and with well-crafted backup plans. When a kid reaches the point of very cold and reasoned shrewdness and backup plans, then they are officially treading in the territory of a sociopath.

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 09:18 PM

Incidentally, this is why it is important that you teach your kids how to defend themselves and fight.

Yes, and fight.

The world that kids live in is a very frightening and sometimes violent one. Don't send them into the cold cruel world unprepared.

Because speeches and lovely little quotes aren't much comfort to your child when he/she is getting the snot beat out of them.

Mel...

Sadly, many schools have adopted such an over-blown "zero tolerance" policy on violence that if your kid DOES fight back, then he too will be deemed guilty of violence, and therefore he too will get suspended or even expelled.

Strange but true.

Shadow_Ferret

12-01-2009, 09:30 PM

mscelina

12-01-2009, 09:41 PM

But David had the salient point. Twelve-year-olds shouldn't be frigging watching South Park. Any parent who is STUPID enough to think it's 'just a cartoon' apparently has little grasp of the concept of satire. South Park is adult entertainment, pure and simple.

*It's also funny as hell, but I digress*

So yeah--the parents get double blame on this one. They get the booby prize for letting their kids watch South Park in the first place and they get the Moron Trophy of the Year for raising a passel of stupid, cruel kids.

dclary

12-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Growing up, fighting was part of being a kid. Sometimes even between best friends. You'd fight to solve your dispute. Then it was forgotten and you'd be friends again.

Besides, who hasn't heard the expression "beaten like a red-headed step child"?

The problem is, while red-headed women are hotter than all get-out, red-headed men are ass-ugly. Sorry David Caruso, it's true.

DWSTXS

12-01-2009, 09:53 PM

Growing up, fighting was part of being a kid. Sometimes even between best friends. You'd fight to solve your dispute. Then it was forgotten and you'd be friends again.

Besides, who hasn't heard the expression "beaten like a red-headed step child"?

True, kids can be cruel, and especially so to the reddies out there.
One of my friends used to taunt a red-headed kid with a little sing-song ditty that he made up (at least I think he made it up):

I'd rather be dead like a bump on a log,
than red on the head like the dick on a dog.

Now, don't get me wrong. I like red-heads. heck, my ex wife is a red head

mscelina

12-01-2009, 09:55 PM

Oh behalf of my fellow redheads everywhere--thank you.

I think.

:Wha:

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 10:16 PM

The problem is, while red-headed women are hotter than all get-out, red-headed men are ass-ugly. Sorry David Caruso, it's true.

I beg to differ.

Click HERE for a work-safe image of a gorgeous MALE redhead. (http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/873/873198/EricStoltz_1210572347.jpg)

*swoons*

(I'll leave it up to you fellows to post pics of gorgeous female redheads.)

DWSTXS

12-01-2009, 10:19 PM

I beg to differ.

Click HERE for a work-safe image of a gorgeous MALE redhead. (http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/873/873198/EricStoltz_1210572347.jpg)

*swoons*

(I'll leave it up to you fellows to post pics of gorgeous female redheads.)

Haven't you already posted the pic of the gorgeous female redhead? (Your avatar)

Plot Device

12-01-2009, 10:24 PM

Haven't you already posted the pic of the gorgeous female redhead? (Your avatar)

Only because I identify with her, and not due to any situation in which I lust after her. ;)

If any guy (or gal) here at AW has the hots for any redheaded females out there ... have at it. :D

DWSTXS

12-01-2009, 10:26 PM

Only because I identify with her, and not due to any situation in which I lust after her. ;)

If any guy (or gal) here at AW has the hots for any redheaded females out there ... have at it. :D

That's okay, I lusted after her enough for both of us.

blacbird

12-01-2009, 11:46 PM

I'm thoroughly surprised that you're surprised that idiot 12 and 13 year olds are capable of this.

I wasn't surprised, and never said or implied that. In fact, this kind of crap is absurdly common. That's the problem.

caw

Zoombie

12-01-2009, 11:58 PM

dclary

12-02-2009, 12:18 AM

Jamesaritchie

12-02-2009, 12:26 AM

Dumb kids, but hardly a crime of international proportions. They couldn't have been serious about doing much real injury. But I know many will want their lives ruined because they pulled such a bonehead stunt.

Exir

12-02-2009, 12:35 AM

Dumb kids, but hardly a crime of international proportions. They couldn't have been serious about doing much real injury.

Seconded. Dumb crimes, kids definitely need more disciplining, but hardly deserving of mafia-style revenge fantasies.

jodiodi

12-02-2009, 01:15 AM

My stepkids watch South Park as do their father and I. We find it absurdly hilarious and what social commentary the kids might not understand, I explain to them (and my husband--he's terribly uninformed). They know the behavior is for satirical purposes. They actually use their brains.

nighttimer

12-02-2009, 01:17 AM

The problem is, while red-headed women are hotter than all get-out, red-headed men are ass-ugly. Sorry David Caruso, it's true.

David Caruso may be this generation's William Shatner. He is the worst actor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDZoiO6Hf8) on television and that's saying something.

As far as red-headed women being hotter than all-get out, was this (http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/03/01-07/julianne-moore-2.jpg) sort of what you had in mind?

blacbird

12-02-2009, 01:20 AM

David Caruso may be this generation's William Shatner. He is the worst actor on television and that's say something.

Quote for emphasis.

caw

mscelina

12-02-2009, 01:23 AM

Redheads are pretty damn hot.

Also, just so you guys know, the parents might not be ENTIRELY culpable. You can watch south park for free on the internet (http://www.southparkstudios.com).

It can be rather hard to track what your kid is doing on the internet all the time. For which I thank god, cause imagine trying to explain all the furry websites I go to to my parents.

Oh wait, my parents read this forum.

...hi Mom!

Yep, well when my kids were at home, their internet access was monitored and restricted through our main home computer. Because my daughters never took college-level Latin, it was fundamentally impossible for them to crack the administrative functions of the computer. *grin* even the hint question was in Latin. So I have little or no pity for any parent who whines about not being able to monitor their children's internet access. A parent who is paying attention to what their kids do and watch can keep track of pretty much everything.

*doesn't mention the keystroke loggers and moves on*

dclary

12-02-2009, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by nighttimer
David Caruso may be this generation's William Shatner. He is the worst actor on television and that's say something.

Quote for emphasis.

caw

Shatner starred on a hit series in the 60s, 80s, and 00's. Was nominated for 7 emmys (won 2).

Caruso's starred in hit series in the 90s and 00's. He's only been nominated for 1 emmy.

Give Caruso time, maybe he'll pan out. Maybe he'll (pauses and puts on sunglasses dramatically) set phasers to kill. (cue Who music)

Zoombie

12-02-2009, 02:34 AM

Will he also write a horrible series of crappy sci-fi books?

dclary

12-02-2009, 02:36 AM

Will he also write a horrible series of crappy sci-fi books?

Tek-Lords sold more copies than you have, Zoomster. We can only pray to have that much success with a ghost writer.

Zoombie

12-02-2009, 02:41 AM

But I like teasing Shatner about Tek-War.

And Star Trek V.

nighttimer

12-02-2009, 02:47 AM

Shatner starred on a hit series in the 60s, 80s, and 00's. Was nominated for 7 emmys (won 2).

Yes. He was. But. Did. He. Win. Even. One. Emmy?

I. don't. think. so! Where. Is. the. Love. for. The. Shat?

Caruso's starred in hit series in the 90s and 00's. He's only been nominated for 1 emmy.

Give Caruso time, maybe he'll pan out. Maybe he'll (pauses and puts on sunglasses dramatically) set phasers to kill. (cue Who music)

If you had an act-off between David Caruso and Steven Seagal it would go on for three weeks without a winner. Those two morons couldn't fake a fart.

:poke:

Robert Toy

12-02-2009, 02:51 AM

Yes. He was. But. Did. He. Win. Even. One. Emmy?

I. don't. think. so! Where. Is. the. Love. for. The. Shat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner

two emmys and one golden globe

blacbird

12-02-2009, 11:03 AM

Shatner was just plain magnificent in "Boston Legal".

caw

DavidZahir

12-02-2009, 08:04 PM

As far as red-headed women being hotter than all-get out, was this (http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/03/01-07/julianne-moore-2.jpg) sort of what you had in mind?Well, duh.

Not to mention this (http://scifisizzle.com/imagegallery/images/alicia_witt/alicia_witt_5.jpg) lady, and this (http://img.listal.com/image/491692/400-rachel-hurd--wood.jpg) one (okay that is a dye job the effect is what counts, right?) as well as this (http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/1200000/Laura-laura-prepon-1295797-1024-768.jpg) one (before she desecrated herself with a blond dye) and this (http://www.portwallpaper.com/desktop/wallpaperimages/29112-r-1920-1440-marcia-cross.jpg) sultry lady and this (http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2007_Starting_Out_in_the_Evening/2007_starting_out_in_the_evening_003.jpg) one and (a blast from the past) this (http://lpcoverlover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/img_4580.JPG) one.

Fran

12-02-2009, 08:12 PM

I pay a fortune for my red hair. Where's my gang of ardent admirers? Hmph.

Robert Toy

12-02-2009, 08:14 PM

I pay a fortune for my red hair. Where's my gang of ardent admirers? Hmph.
*waves*

Fran

12-02-2009, 08:24 PM

*waves*

*sends cheque as promised*

:D

DWSTXS

12-02-2009, 08:59 PM

I pay a fortune for my red hair. Where's my gang of ardent admirers? Hmph.

Well, post your pic, and we'll admire you. we'll admire you real hard!

LOL

Robert Toy

12-02-2009, 09:05 PM

got her picture with cheque

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RT_2006/red.jpg

Fran

12-02-2009, 09:52 PM

Oh my God, Robert, thousands will be desperately disappointed! :D

Robert Toy

12-02-2009, 10:07 PM

Oh my God, Robert, thousands will be desperately disappointed! :D
I'm sorry but I had to show the unvarnished, plain jane..

Don

12-06-2009, 09:39 PM

Kids like to gang up on kids.

My guess? They needed a trait that stood out and using skin color would have gotten them picked up on hate crime charges. Hair color's just assault.
At least today it is; give them a little time to get the legislation written. :D

Kaiser-Kun

12-06-2009, 09:54 PM

Note to parents: Teach your kids the difference between fiction and reality. Please?

DWSTXS

12-06-2009, 10:14 PM

Note to parents: Teach your kids the difference between fiction and reality. Please?

Shouldn't these parents be taught that first? before they can teach it to the kids?

Kaiser-Kun

12-06-2009, 10:42 PM

Shouldn't these parents be taught that first? before they can teach it to the kids?

True... then my advice comes in two steps:

1.- Learn the difference between reality and fiction.
2.- Teach it to your kids.