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*NeW*WrItEr*
10-07-2009, 01:25 AM
Politics has become a lost hope to me. I know I'm only a high schooler and couldn't possible understand politics (psh yeah right) but I think we could all agree changes need to be made. I mean come on. I saw a news thing today in class where the Supreme Court or whatnot made this couple cover up a cross that a WW1 veteran had erected in a desert (I forget which) because it was a religious symbol on public land. Well if they did that then they might as well take down all the crosses at Arlington which they won't do. Ugh. Government annoys me....we should be neutral like Switzerland. Or have a monarchy like England. They don't have near as many problems. And the pound is actually worth something! Sigh....
mscelina
10-07-2009, 01:34 AM
Arlington is a cemetary. People are buried there and are entitled to place whatever religious icons they prefer upon the graves of their loved ones. You are aware that people have to pay for space in a graveyard? That the graves are, in fact, owned by the family of the people who are buried there?
This is vastly difference from government-owned land in the middle of nowhere. This would be akin to someone planting a cross in their neighbor's yard. Or a sign. Or their car.
This is basic property ownership, not a religious issue. Seriously.
BRITAIN has a monarchy, not just England. The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish have to pay for its upkeep as well, so we get to claim it too. If we don't have 'nearly as many problems', why is our unemployment rising? Why are people being chucked out of their homes for not paying mortgages to banks in which the British taxpayer hold majority stakeholds? Why do we have a government that's falling to bits, with an equally rickety party waiting to take over in May with absolutely no idea what it's going to do about anything? The Queen is a figurehead and can do nothing about any of this.
Switzerland still has a government. I don't see what being neutral has to do with displaying crosses on public land.
I'm not American, so have no idea whether Arlington is public or private land. If it's private the ruling wouldn't apply. I'm not sure what your argument is here.
Bubastes
10-07-2009, 01:37 AM
When it comes to court cases, I often tell people to read the actual court opinion rather than relying on what the news says about the case. That way, you have something more solid on which to base your opinions.
ETA: the case name is Salazar v. Buono, and the Supreme Court is hearing oral arguments this case on Oct. 7. In other words, there has been NO decision by the Supreme Court yet.
Here's a summary of the case and the specific issues being argued:
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2008/2008_08_472
Parametric
10-07-2009, 01:37 AM
Government annoys me....we should be neutral like Switzerland. Or have a monarchy like England. They don't have near as many problems. And the pound is actually worth something! Sigh....
(1) In this context, you want the UK, not its constituent country England.
(2) The monarchy is not our government.
(3) We do have near as many problems. You're just not hearing about them.
(4) The pound is worth substantially less than a few years ago.
Not that I'm nitpicking. :tongue
edit: Yeah, what Fran said. :tongue
mscelina
10-07-2009, 01:39 AM
Arlington is the national cemetary outside of Washington, in Arlington, Virginia. Presidents, generals, public officials, Supreme Court Justices--and thousands upon thousands of America's military dead from the Civil War on. Originally, Arlington was the home of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. As a punitive measure, the Union confiscated the property and began their graveyard right up against the house so the Lee family could never use it again. American veterans can request to be buried at Arlington, and as such can be buried under the religious symbol of their choice. I think recently this was expanded to inclue pagan symbolism. AND, Arlington is the final resting place of the Unknown Soldier, who lies buried under an eternal flame just like President John F. Kennedy and his brothers are--also in Arlington.
Williebee
10-07-2009, 01:43 AM
Welcome to the 'Cooler new*writer.
I wouldn't give up on politics just yet. After all, it's going to be a part of your life for the rest of it (longer if you are in Chicago.:) ).
There are a great number of varied, educated people here in P&CE, from an even more varied collection of backgrounds and experiences. Most are most often objective in their day to day appearances here. All have subjects they are passionate about.
The key, I suspect rests in two ideas.
The first one, "assume good will." Understand that saying EXACTLY what you mean, post to post, is very difficult, so it stands to reason that it is difficult for others as well. Look for the meaning of what the poster is trying to say, before assuming they are intending an insult or attack.
The second, learn for yourself. Think, ask questions, think some more. Express your opinions, and be willing to let them change as you learn more.
"only a high schooler"? We're all "only" something. Your opinion counts, too. We have things to learn from your POV, just as you do from others.
Did I mention? Welcome to the 'Cooler! Look around. Enjoy. WRITE!
:)
mscelina
10-07-2009, 01:45 AM
Williebee is so nice...
One other thing,new*writer--the problem with politics is that people who worked in it for decades don't understand it. So don't be hard on yourself; you're already much further ahead than many grown up people.
They won't admit they don't know anything about politics and STILL talk about it all the time as if they do.
See? It's not as bad as you thought. :)
Williebee
10-07-2009, 01:47 AM
oh yeah, and don't listen to MsCelina. See that pic under her name?
That's the last guy that listened to her. Been sitting there, confused, for like... YEARS.
:)
mscelina
10-07-2009, 01:50 AM
And so we come full circle, back to the topic of religious icons in cemetaries.
Williebee is so clever.
*runs off to change her avatar*
And so we come full circle, back to the topic of religious icons in cemetaries.
Williebee is so clever.
*runs off to change her avatar*
Yep. That new avatar might be just about the most irreligious thing I've ever seen. :D
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 01:57 AM
I've always wondered, what symbol do they bury you under if you're an atheist?
I assume the case referred to in the opening post is the Mojave Cross. I hadn't realized the decision had come down (I've followed that case for years). If so, there is no possible neutral position.
*NeW*WrItEr*, had the decision gone the other way, would you feel the same?
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:05 AM
Also, why would we want to exchange a supposed representative democracy for a monarchy?
Why don't we trade a supposed representative democracy for a representative democracy that actually works?!
veinglory
10-07-2009, 02:07 AM
I think getting that worried about a structure someone illegally put on land they didn't own is taking it somewhat out if proportion.
p.s. the UK is a has been a democracy rather longer than the US, it is a constitutional monarchy.
MattW
10-07-2009, 02:07 AM
I've always wondered, what symbol do they bury you under if you're an atheist?
http://s3.images.com/huge.2.10992.JPG
Also, why would we want to exchange a supposed representative democracy for a monarchy?
You mean you don't want some of the taxes from your badly-paid admin job going to support the richest woman in the world?
You must be mad.
;)
veinglory
10-07-2009, 02:09 AM
...and even the Queen couldn't build a monument on public land without getting permission first.
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 02:09 AM
http://s3.images.com/huge.2.10992.JPG
That would be more appropiate for Agnostics.
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:10 AM
I'm from America.
We're all barmy.
I've always wondered, what symbol do they bury you under if you're an atheist?
The actual, government-approved symbols are on this page (http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp).The atheist symbol is number 16 on the page.
MattW
10-07-2009, 02:10 AM
You mean you don't want some of the taxes from your badly-paid admin job going to support the richest woman in the world?
Someone has to keep her in hats and sensible shoes...
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:12 AM
That's kind of a lame symbol.
They should have gone for this
http://c2.api.ning.com/files/B73MJtb9qg9E7*wBg6NmrN*DlHfSH0shd7prHYcuUWawYJ3-prOLX60FMzZ-KE4AfKv9iFTYziwEckEZUfz*AvLyOb8lK5KE/ManhattanSymbol_thumb.jpg
For some reason the image thing isn't working
http://c2.api.ning.com/files/B73MJtb9qg9E7*wBg6NmrN*DlHfSH0shd7prHYcuUWawYJ3-prOLX60FMzZ-KE4AfKv9iFTYziwEckEZUfz*AvLyOb8lK5KE/ManhattanSymbol_thumb.jpg
veinglory
10-07-2009, 02:14 AM
The actual, government-approved symbols are on this page (http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp).The atheist symbol is number 16 on the page.
That is some serious WTF.
... there's a lad here not much older than yourself who understands politics like the back of his own hand, and knows more about political goings on than many of us 'learned' adults. So if he can understand politic, surely you can too. So hop to it and start reading newspapers and tending to your teachers' lectures. You certainly have the energy for debating, judging by the fury of your OP ;-) No need for me to state where I stand on the issue, myself, as it has already been suficiently addressed by other members.
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 02:17 AM
The actual, government-approved symbols are on this page (http://www.cem.va.gov/hm/hmemb.asp).The atheist symbol is number 16 on the page.
That list reminded me this scene from Babylon 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXPaGCRngWw)
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:18 AM
... there's a lad here not much older than yourself who understands politics like the back of his own hand, and knows more about political goings on than many of us 'learned' adults. .
Who?
... his username starts with Kud. He's a thingamajobbie. You're swift yourself, Zoombie, as is Max :-)
(Hope it was okay to mention who it was :-(
The atheist one looks like it was done by a five-year-old having a tantrum.
Spike Milligan has 'I told you I was ill' on his gravestone. In Irish Gaelic, because the rules surrounding UK gravestones are very strict. I want something super-creepy, like 'I'm watching you', or something weird like 'Should have made sure I'd turned the gas off'.
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 02:22 AM
... his username starts with Kud. He's a thingamajobbie. You're fairly swift yourself, Zoombie :-)
Oh yeah, I remember him, a shame he hasn't posted in a while since his insight was always quite well-thought.
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:24 AM
I don't remember him...
Fooie.
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 02:26 AM
The atheist one looks like it was done by a five-year-old having a tantrum.
Spike Milligan has 'I told you I was ill' on his gravestone. In Irish Gaelic, because the rules surrounding UK gravestones are very strict. I want something super-creepy, like 'I'm watching you', or something weird like 'Should have made sure I'd turned the gas off'.
Mel Blanc's epitaph? "That's All, Folks!" No, serously.
Wiston Churchil: "I am ready to meet my Maker. Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter"
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 02:27 AM
I remember some guy said that its a good thing Teddy Roosevelt died in his sleep, for if he had been awake, Death would have been in a fight.
LaceWing
10-07-2009, 02:27 AM
... his username starts with Kud. He's a thingamajobbie. You're fairly swift yourself, Zoombie :-)
(Hope it was okay to mention who it was :-(
That would be kuwisdelu (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/member.php?u=17616).
Celia Cyanide
10-07-2009, 03:32 AM
I like Zoombie!
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 05:05 AM
I like Zoombie too! We all love Zoombie!
William Haskins
10-07-2009, 05:28 AM
there never was any hope.
government has never been about anything other than enslaving by degrees; one can argue that it's a necessary evil for survival of the species, and that may be true; but it is the articulation of the dark side of the human mind.
there never was any hope.
government has never been about anything other than enslaving by degrees; one can argue that it's a necessary evil for survival of the species, and that may be true; but it is the articulation of the dark side of the human mind.
That bears a close relation to the quote in my sig, William. The longer I study, the less I believe it's a necessary evil, and the more I believe that is a meme sold to protect the privileges of the governors; i.e. those who pursue coercive power over others as a career choice. The lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum... and the educational system within it.
Of course, incontrovertible proof of that theory would have an impact on the world much larger than the electric light, the automobile, or the Unified Field theory. :)
rugcat
10-07-2009, 05:50 AM
there never was any hope.
government has never been about anything other than enslaving by degrees; one can argue that it's a necessary evil for survival of the species, and that may be true; but it is the articulation of the dark side of the human mind.Been watching the Ken Burns National Parks documentary, have you?
... if that's true, the government is only giving us what we want. Our chains are our most cherished possessions, and those who tug against them only do so to feel them the more.
... if that's true, the government is only giving us what we want. Our chains are our most cherished possessions, and those who tug against them only do so to feel them the more.
Speak for yourself. I'm currently busy building some chain-cutters, some lockpicks, and a forge. :)
Bird of Prey
10-07-2009, 06:22 AM
Oh brother. . . .
Speak for yourself. I'm currently busy building some chain-cutters, some lockpicks, and a forge. :)
... good luck ;-)
Mojave Cross Timeline
July, 2000: ACLU threatens to sue the National Park Service if it does not remove the cross. The National Park Service agrees to take it down.
November 2000: Congress passes omnibus appropriations bill with measure from Congressman Jerry Lewis barring the park service from spending funds to remove the cross.
March 2001: ACLU files suit to remove the cross.
December 2001: Congress passes appropriations bill that includes language sponsored by Congressman Lewis declaring the cross a national memorial to veterans and providing money for a historic marker describing the history of the memorial.
July 2002: Judge Robert Timlin rules that the cross must be taken down as an unconstitutional religious display on public land.
September 2002: Congressman Lewis adds language to comprehensive federal lands bill that would exchange park land around the cross for a much larger private parcel that is within the park boundaries. The bill fails to pass the Senate.
February 2003: Justice Department files an appeal of Judge Timlin's ruling. Tarp placed over cross in meantime.
July 2003: California State American Legion declares official support to retain cross. National American Legion follows with official support.
November 2003: Congress approves land swap to place cross on private land after language is attached by Congressman Lewis to the annual defense department appropriations bill.
June 2004: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upholds Judge Timlin's ruling but does not include decision on land swap legislation.
August 2005: Timlin rules that land swap does not remove the unconstitutional nature of the cross, orders it removed again. Park service encases cross in wooden box after Justice Department once again files appeal.
September 2007: Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upholds Timlin's ruling overturning land exchange.
October 2008: Justice Department appeals Ninth Circuit ruling to U.S. Supreme Court.
February 2009: U.S. Supreme Court agrees to hear appeal of Ninth Circuit ruling. The VFW, American Legion and other veterans groups said the 9th Circuit's ruling, if allowed to stand, could trigger legal challenges to the display of crosses at Arlington National Cemetery and elsewhere.
Fall 2009: U.S. Supreme Court set to hear arguments in Mojave Cross case.
http://www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfoct09/nf100509-5.htm
Very sad.
Albedo
10-07-2009, 06:55 AM
I've always wondered, what symbol do they bury you under if you're an atheist?
I'll have an omega.
PS: that 'official' atheist symbol is wtf.
maxmordon
10-07-2009, 07:08 AM
If I am not mistaken, the Atheist symbol is the logo of American Atheists.
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 07:16 AM
Hurrah for being liked?
Also, the American Atheists need to redesign their logo NOW.
rugcat
10-07-2009, 07:17 AM
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/rugcat/270.gif
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 07:18 AM
Seriously, it looks like the Federation bumf***ed Dr. Manhattan!
MGraybosch
10-07-2009, 07:22 AM
Politics has become a lost hope to me.
When you start to think of politics as a means of organizing civil war to minimize bloodshed and property damage, you'll find that it makes a lot more sense. :)
mscelina
10-07-2009, 07:24 AM
When you start to think of politics as a means of organizing civil war to minimize bloodshed and property damage, you'll find that it makes a lot more sense. :)
I'm not convinced of this assessment. Politics seems a lot bloodier than war these days, and instead of damaging property they're just taking it now.
MGraybosch
10-07-2009, 07:28 AM
I'm not convinced of this assessment. Politics seems a lot bloodier than war these days, and instead of damaging property they're just taking it now.
Politics seems bloodier because the players no longer feel a need to pretend that they serve the people. And it has always been about taking property. A country laid waste with nobody to rule and no property worth taking is worthless to the politicians. In other words:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m29/ProgrammerCat/Fark/force_choke_2-1.jpg
Albedo
10-07-2009, 07:30 AM
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/rugcat/270.gif
Wow, the latest atomichic design from 1962 and everything! A GIS for "atheist symbol" gives up at least 10 logos that are less gagular than that one. But doesn't having a symbol of faith kind of defeat the purpose of being atheist?
Albedo
10-07-2009, 07:37 AM
Also, the Rutherford model of the atom became obsolete in 1913 (thanks Wiki). Surely if we want our atheist symbol all sciency we should be using something like this:
http://www.firstscience.com/home/images/stories/articles/electron-cloud-v1.jpg
CACTUSWENDY
10-07-2009, 07:43 AM
New...if you feel this way now...then no need to live on. lol
Every generation had those that thought that life sucked and there was no way to get better. I'm sure after we are all dead and gone there will still be some around that will still feel that way.
Read, listen, ask questions, and only believe half of any of it. You and your next generation of kin will see things happen that will still cause you to shake your head. It's called life. IMHO
veinglory
10-07-2009, 07:43 AM
Atomic Athiests Unite!
[turns into giant robot]
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 08:06 AM
I'm the right arm!
Albedo
10-07-2009, 08:21 AM
I form the crotch!
Jynical
10-07-2009, 08:41 AM
I'm the right arm!
I love this thread. <3
I've been away for a long time... I'm glad this is the first thread I come upon.
Zoombie
10-07-2009, 12:21 PM
I form the crotch!
...Lazlo!?
But where is Secret Angel Princess Princess!?
*obscure reference!*
Romantic Heretic
10-07-2009, 04:39 PM
The first one, "assume good will." Understand that saying EXACTLY what you mean, post to post, is very difficult, so it stands to reason that it is difficult for others as well. Look for the meaning of what the poster is trying to say, before assuming they are intending an insult or attack.
Funniest thing I've read in ages. :ROFL:
Priene
10-07-2009, 05:46 PM
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/rugcat/270.gif
Two electrons circling around a McDonald's arch. You can't get much more disbelieving than that.
Wow, the latest atomichic design from 1962 and everything! A GIS for "atheist symbol" gives up at least 10 logos that are less gagular than that one. But doesn't having a symbol of faith kind of defeat the purpose of being atheist?
It isn't a symbol of faith. It's a symbol, albeit a goofy one. No faith involved.
LaceWing
10-07-2009, 05:49 PM
there never was any hope.
government has never been about anything other than enslaving by degrees; one can argue that it's a necessary evil for survival of the species, and that may be true; but it is the articulation of the dark side of the human mind.
I could go there, argument wise, if "human nature" unfettered is exceptionally non-cooperative, unlike the apparent nature of other social species.
I see a balance to struggle two impulses. One is, Let's get together to disable all the bad guys (within and without), and the other is, Let's get together to enable all the good guys. And yes, there's Let's get together to have things our way.
No matter how I look at it, there's always the "let's get together" thing. At least when I focus with a long and abstract view, and consider what arguments can sway the largest number so as to survive and grow into a political position.
OTOH, when I try to see what goes on in tribe size groups, I do notice dominance, as it needs to stand out to make its mark. Less noticeable are the positive facilitators, like neighbors down the street who just like to host a barbecue every month or the kid who takes a sympathy card around for signatures when someone dies. Humans who don't have impulses to share in effect don't qualify as members of the species.
So, maybe it's that when I say I can get behind the dark side view of government, it's that sometimes I feel it's taken on for itself (in some cases) the giving and supportive role I would like to have. I also argue with government taking on the exclusive role of arbiter of justice; the populace is effectively told, You don't have to be just -- we got that covered. Just go on with your life and get away with anything we haven't thought to outlaw yet.
johnnysannie
10-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Politics has become a lost hope to me. I know I'm only a high schooler and couldn't possible understand politics (psh yeah right) but I think we could all agree changes need to be made. I mean come on. I saw a news thing today in class where the Supreme Court or whatnot made this couple cover up a cross that a WW1 veteran had erected in a desert (I forget which) because it was a religious symbol on public land. Well if they did that then they might as well take down all the crosses at Arlington which they won't do. Ugh. Government annoys me....we should be neutral like Switzerland. Or have a monarchy like England. They don't have near as many problems. And the pound is actually worth something! Sigh....
Britian's monarchy is outdated and has no real relationship to the government; the Prime Minister and Parliment have the real power. The royals have been basically figure heads for a very long time now.
MGraybosch
10-08-2009, 08:00 AM
I form the crotch!
I form the asshole, and I'm a chargin' my laser!
jennontheisland
10-08-2009, 08:10 AM
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r33/rugcat/270.gif
Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a Starfleet Comm Badge??
http://todd.macshare.com/filmeng.jpghttp://www.roddenberry.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/t/n/tng_com-001.png
mscelina
10-08-2009, 08:11 AM
All right, Wonder Twins--everyone is sufficiently grossed out now. We didn't need those visuals, thank you very much.
benbradley
10-08-2009, 08:46 AM
Two electrons circling around a McDonald's arch. You can't get much more disbelieving than that.
"Avogadro's Number Served."
Diana Hignutt
10-08-2009, 03:51 PM
Remember these four words:
There is always hope.
... I will remember those four words, Diana:
Is there always hope?
;-)
Alpha Echo
10-08-2009, 04:03 PM
The atheist one looks like it was done by a five-year-old having a tantrum.
Spike Milligan has 'I told you I was ill' on his gravestone. In Irish Gaelic, because the rules surrounding UK gravestones are very strict. I want something super-creepy, like 'I'm watching you', or something weird like 'Should have made sure I'd turned the gas off'.
My bf wants "I had her naked in three hours on the first date."
;)
My bf wants "I had her naked in three hours on the first date."
;)
My mammy says she's going to put 'My late husband. He was always late.' on my dad's headstone. :D
Williebee
10-08-2009, 08:51 PM
How about:
"How can I
Rest In Peace
if you won't
go away?"
My bf wants "I had her naked in three hours on the first date."
;)
:tmi
But if I were single, I'd say give me a call when y'all break up. ;)
emilycross
10-09-2009, 12:29 AM
The atheist one looks like it was done by a five-year-old having a tantrum.
Spike Milligan has 'I told you I was ill' on his gravestone. In Irish Gaelic, because the rules surrounding UK gravestones are very strict. I want something super-creepy, like 'I'm watching you', or something weird like 'Should have made sure I'd turned the gas off'.
Theres a grave in the old graveyard from 1700s :
I'm in eternity
and you are on your way
Nice eh?
Priene
10-09-2009, 12:29 AM
I want Is this death or what? written on mine.
*NeW*WrItEr*
10-10-2009, 07:18 PM
Dang....I never thought there would be this many replies. I mean, who actually pays attention to a high schooler's opinion on politics? I guess you people do. Which is good. Because we are the future. Someone should start listening to us lol
MGraybosch
10-10-2009, 07:31 PM
Someone should start listening to us lol
When teenagers actually have something interesting to say, I damn well listen. It's a rare enough event. :)
*NeW*WrItEr*
10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Well, that's good to know :)
shawkins
10-12-2009, 02:02 AM
re: headstones
I want "BEWARE OF ZOMBIES" on mine.
Also, ideally, a little spring loaded hand that will pop up out of the ground and grab people by the ankle when they walk by.
StephanieFox
10-12-2009, 03:38 AM
http://s3.images.com/huge.2.10992.JPG
This symbol is for agnostics. For atheists, it's:
!
veinglory
10-12-2009, 04:09 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/veinglory/1-48.png
MGraybosch
10-12-2009, 05:17 AM
re: headstones
I want "BEWARE OF ZOMBIES" on mine.
I'll settle for "He died with his boots on" or "Here I sit, brokenhearted. / I came to shit and only farted." I don't want everybody who visits to be in a such a grave fucking mood.
TerzaRima
10-14-2009, 02:30 AM
I want mine to say OW! OWIE! STOP! YOU SAID IT HAD NO STING!
kayleamay
10-14-2009, 10:39 PM
Why is there no Pagan symbol? Just curious.
I plan to plagarize my headstone:
(from a cemetery up the road from me)
I love you
I'll miss you
Please forgive me
I forgive you
Good-bye
benbradley
10-14-2009, 11:22 PM
Wiccans are apparently Pagan, and they have a symbol.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/04/wiccans_win_mil/
Kitty Pryde
10-14-2009, 11:33 PM
so-o, what does a helium atom have to do with atheism, you guys? I mean...I'm Jewish, and I believe in helium atoms...I'd think most people believe in helium atoms...
I wonder if worshipers of the Old Ones can get Cthulhu on their headstone...
Romantic Heretic
10-14-2009, 11:35 PM
I'd rather have Azathoth on mine.
http://www.3x6.net/vhoorl/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/elder_god.gif
TerzaRima
10-15-2009, 12:06 AM
My second choice is O HAI--CAN U KINDLY STOP FOR ME?
Or.... OR! A pressure pad, cunningly hidden under the turf, that shoots a hand out the grave like what happened at the end of a certain horror film that not everyone will have seen so I won't spoil it. SOOOOO cool!
Zoombie
10-15-2009, 02:20 PM
so-o, what does a helium atom have to do with atheism, you guys? I mean...I'm Jewish, and I believe in helium atoms...I'd think most people believe in helium atoms...
I wonder if worshipers of the Old Ones can get Cthulhu on their headstone...
Its a hydrogen atom, and its the symbol of Dr. Manhattan :D
jodiodi
10-15-2009, 11:01 PM
I want a Georgia Bulldog on my headstone and my epitaph to read:
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.
I also want everyone at my funeral to wear red and black and music by the Redcoat Band. And I want Comfortably Numb played as I'm lowered into the ground.
Kitty Pryde
10-15-2009, 11:08 PM
Its a hydrogen atom, and its the symbol of Dr. Manhattan :D
No way dood, there are two electrons there--that makes it helium :D
Zoombie
10-15-2009, 11:15 PM
Oh, you're talking about the original AA symbol? I'm talking about my proposed, way better one!
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