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Stunted
09-24-2009, 02:37 PM
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are races of people that don't grow facial hair, right?

scarletpeaches
09-24-2009, 04:32 PM
Yes. They are called women.

Except in Glasgow.

KTC
09-24-2009, 04:55 PM
Yes. They are called women.

Except in Glasgow.

doh!


I thought this was about competitive races between people without facial beards. wind resistance question of some sort.

I don't know if there are races that have zero facial hair. That seems a bit unlikely.

I do know that different races grow facial hair differently. I was told that the reason I have two spots on my cheeks that won't grow hair has something to do with my First Nation connection...but I don't have any evidence to prove this. ???

Priene
09-24-2009, 06:13 PM
I can't provide a link for this, but I recall reading an article years ago claiming that Far Eastern races tended to have lighter facial hair growth than you would get in, say, Caucasians. Native Americans were closely related to them, so there might be a connection.

It claimed that beard growth was something mainly seen in the elderly in China, which is why you get that cliche of the white-haired elder with the really long beard.

(I'm not claiming any of this as fact, by the way. Just something I read.)

Sarpedon
09-24-2009, 06:47 PM
I think thats more fashion than anything.

I recall reading an article that talked about how Japanese soldiers who were stationed in Iraq were encouraged to grow moustaches so as to seem less foreign and threatening to the locals. Apparently they were so successful that the Iraqis would frequently compliment them.

Maryn
09-24-2009, 07:26 PM
First Nation/Native American men have lighter and/or spotty facial hair growth. It's extremely rare to see a decent full beard on an full-blood Indian, regardless of tribe. I understand the same is true of Pacific Islanders, Southeast Asians, the Japanese, and some parts of China. You simply don't see men from unmixed racial-ethnic stock of these groups with the full, bushy facial hair seen in other groups.

However, they do have facial hair. The mustache area and chin may have normal beard growth. It's the cheeks and sideburns where there's less, from none to 'holes.'

Maryn, who's actually thought about this many times

Summonere
09-24-2009, 07:36 PM
Stunted sez:
Beardless Races
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are races of people that don't grow facial hair, right?


Maryn sez:
First Nation/Native American men have lighter and/or spotty facial hair growth. It's extremely rare to see a decent full beard on an full-blood Indian, regardless of tribe. I understand the same is true of Pacific Islanders, Southeast Asians, the Japanese, and some parts of China. You simply don't see men from unmixed racial-ethnic stock of these groups with the full, bushy facial hair seen in other groups.

However, they do have facial hair. The mustache area and chin may have normal beard growth. It's the cheeks and sideburns where there's less, from none to 'holes.'

Maryn, who's actually thought about this many times



I don't grow facial hair right. I grow it badly. Gappily. Pretty much as Maryn described. I feel gypped. Just enough Indian in me to grow a crap beard with bald spots. If I don't shave, I look like a hillbilly. Maybe worse, there's such a jumbly mix of other genes in there that I have every color in what does grow. Red brown black blond and, lately, gray. My Indian grandfather never, ever grew a beard, but he did have wispy little Clark Gable mustache.

KTC
09-24-2009, 07:47 PM
Yes...I'm gappy too. My grandmother was Mi'kmaq. I've been told this is why I have bald spots...most especially on my cheeks directly below my cheekbones. Still...not scientific. I don't know how this Native American trait changes with mixed race?

GeorgeK
09-24-2009, 08:47 PM
All people have facial hair, just get out your magnifying lens. Some people have distributions of either thicker (diameter per hair) or denser (more hairs per area) or both compared to others. On your own body, pluck a hair from your scalp, arm, chin, armpit and pubic area and compare them. Next do that with someone from the other gender. Next do it with other races and genders.

The next step is to staunch your bleeding wounds because the others didn't like this little experiment of yours.

Like everything in medicine there is range of findings (a trend) and you are the way you are because your parents are the way they are with a bit of luck tossed into the mix. The trend is that women have a distibution of facial hair that is shorter, finer and less dense than their scalp. Men tend to have thicker hair on their face than their scalp after puberty, (since the surge in testosterone seems to play a role in the conversion of lanugo type hair (like your forearm) to beard hair.

There are trends of racial differences with most Native American and Asian populations have a relative decrease of thickness and density of facial hair. Some might appear to have no facial hair, but it's there, just not as much or as thick. Some populations the beard hair is closer to arm, some closer to scalp, some closer to arm pit etc. It's all a range.

Horseshoes
09-24-2009, 10:02 PM
Or, take George's word for it and then you do not need to go plucking, as dramatic consequences may occur following such behavior.

Gretad08
09-25-2009, 01:49 AM
doh!


I thought this was about competitive races between people without facial beards. wind resistance question of some sort.

I don't know if there are races that have zero facial hair. That seems a bit unlikely.

I do know that different races grow facial hair differently. I was told that the reason I have two spots on my cheeks that won't grow hair has something to do with my First Nation connection...but I don't have any evidence to prove this. ???


My brothers-in-law are competing to see who can grow the best beard within a month. We're calling it the face race.:)

Sarpedon
09-25-2009, 02:29 AM
post pics

StephanieFox
09-25-2009, 03:01 AM
Many American Indian men do not grow beards and some that do can only grow small amounts of facial hair.

Not at all like my hairy faced husband.

Tiger
09-26-2009, 03:12 AM
I understand the same is true of Pacific Islanders, Southeast Asians, the Japanese, and some parts of China. You simply don't see men from unmixed racial-ethnic stock of these groups with the full, bushy facial hair seen in other groups.

Hah. Has anyone here been to Okinawa lately?

scarletpeaches
09-26-2009, 03:12 AM
tt42 lives there!

SirOtter
09-26-2009, 03:59 AM
My half-Cherokee great-great-grandmother, Colorado Missouri Bracken, bequeathed me a lousy beard with spotty distribution similar to others here. On the other hand, somehow I wound up being able to grow a lush, luxuriant mustache. We're talking Wyatt Earp type lip decoration. My brother, oddly enough, grows a decent beard but a skimpy, pathetic excuse for a mustache.

Kurtz
09-26-2009, 04:05 AM
http://i33.tinypic.com/24d3gx4.jpg

^When the Japanese put their minds to it, they can grow facial hair that would make God himself blush.

cptwentworth
09-26-2009, 04:11 AM
My husband is Hispanic and can't grow a beard to save his life. He has a neat little mustache, but that's as far as it grows. It's just bald.

scarletpeaches
09-26-2009, 04:16 AM
My husband is Hispanic and can't grow a beard to save his life. He has a neat little mustache, but that's as far as it grows. It's just bald.Then he's just not trying hard enough, dammit!

SirOtter
09-26-2009, 06:48 AM
http://i33.tinypic.com/24d3gx4.jpg

^When the Japanese put their minds to it, they can grow facial hair that would make God himself blush.

Is that from Throne of Blood?

scarletpeaches
09-26-2009, 06:50 AM
No, that's thethinker42 after she'd lived in Okinawa a few months.

Tiger
09-26-2009, 06:51 AM
http://i33.tinypic.com/24d3gx4.jpg

^When the Japanese put their minds to it, they can grow facial hair that would make God himself blush.

Maybe. But if one's concentration slips, he could end up having to shave his lower back for the next few decades.

thethinker42
09-26-2009, 06:54 AM
Hah. Has anyone here been to Okinawa lately?

Yes...and most men here that have facial hair have very little. Old men with very thin, wispy beards, younger men with stubble but not much more.

No, that's thethinker42 after she'd lived in Okinawa a few months.

Don't make me post the pictures of you after you haven't shaved in a month or two.

scarletpeaches
09-26-2009, 06:57 AM
Don't make me post the pictures of you after you haven't shaved in a month or two.Like this one?
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss233/doriangrayspictures/Baboon1.jpg
ETA: Oops, forgot this wasn't Office Party! Will let my pic stand for comedy effect and slink away...

thethinker42
09-26-2009, 06:58 AM
Like this one?
http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss233/doriangrayspictures/Baboon1.jpg

I said "haven't shaved", not "after a bad perm".

Chumplet
09-26-2009, 07:05 AM
Yes...I'm gappy too. My grandmother was Mi'kmaq. I've been told this is why I have bald spots...most especially on my cheeks directly below my cheekbones. Still...not scientific. I don't know how this Native American trait changes with mixed race?

My grandfather is half Mi'kmaq and my brother can't grow a beard to save his life. His moustache is spotty and he has big bald patches on both jaws. I wonder how my son will fare -- he's only 1/16 aboriginal but at 18 he regularly shaves his upper lip although I've never see any evidence of hair.

Tiger
09-26-2009, 07:16 AM
Yes...and most men here that have facial hair have very little. Old men with very thin, wispy beards, younger men with stubble but not much more.



Don't make me post the pictures of you after you haven't shaved in a month or two.

I've known a few Japanese (mostly southern) and Okinawans who have stubble up to their eyes.

thethinker42
09-26-2009, 07:20 AM
I've known a few Japanese (mostly southern) and Okinawans who have stubble up to their eyes.

Stubble, yes. But growing it out into an actual beard? I haven't seen much of that. Don't know if it's a style preference or what, but as I said, the only beards I've seen here are very thin and wispy.

Tiger
09-26-2009, 07:27 AM
Stubble, yes. But growing it out into an actual beard? I haven't seen much of that. Don't know if it's a style preference or what, but as I said, the only beards I've seen here are very thin and wispy.

Now that you mention it, maybe stubble doesn't quite equate with beards. I know that many of my friends' southern Japanese roots make them rather shaggy elsewhere.

KTC
09-26-2009, 08:24 AM
My grandfather is half Mi'kmaq and my brother can't grow a beard to save his life. His moustache is spotty and he has big bald patches on both jaws. I wonder how my son will fare -- he's only 1/16 aboriginal but at 18 he regularly shaves his upper lip although I've never see any evidence of hair.

haha! I think that's how it comes. You keep shaving it when it isn't there and then BAM!

Izz
09-26-2009, 09:03 AM
My grandfather is half Mi'kmaq and my brother can't grow a beard to save his life. His moustache is spotty and he has big bald patches on both jaws. I wonder how my son will fare -- he's only 1/16 aboriginal but at 18 he regularly shaves his upper lip although I've never see any evidence of hair.I'm 1/16 Seminole and a 1/4 Spanish, and i grow a magnificent beard. And it comes in in three colors. Ginger mustache, blond under the lower lip down to the chin in a neat triangle, and brown everywhere else. Bushy as all get out. My Irish, Scottish and German genes may have a contributing effect to this.