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quakerphil
12-31-2008, 09:59 PM
While I find writing fiction far more fun than non-fiction, it's highly competitive, especially when your goal is to earn an income from your writing. So when 250 agents rejected one of my novels solely on the basis of a one-page query, I decided to self-publish. Alas, while the cost of self-publishing has gone down dramatically, it ain't free. So I turned to magazine writing, first for the trades, and then (when I had a few credits under my belt) to the more popular mass-circulation magazines.
The trick to making money writing for magazines (:rant:wait a minute, what happened to the novel? :D be patient; it's hard to remember you're out to drain the swamp, when you're up to your ass in alligators) lies in volume and the best way to acheive volume is in selling articles that can be slanted several different ways.
Most articles can; usually only the lead paragraphs need undergo revision. And if interviews are involved, then an interview with an accountant goes to CPA Monthly and an interview with a farmer enhances your article for Dirt.
More to come.

Willowmound
01-01-2009, 01:10 AM
Oh no...

Palmfrond
01-01-2009, 01:11 AM
And this ad is posted in "Novels" because . . .

scarletpeaches
01-01-2009, 01:12 AM
Even novelists need spam too?

The Lonely One
01-01-2009, 01:12 AM
I know the can says it's meat, but I can't help but think this is just....



SPAM!

Exir
01-01-2009, 07:24 AM
SPAM....

Yum.

Pragmatic_Dreamer
01-01-2009, 07:39 AM
What is the point of this thread?

Jerry B. Flory
01-01-2009, 07:59 AM
I think Phil could use a link to Andrew Jameson's query forums.

Zombiestare
01-01-2009, 11:57 AM
I am going to use this new information right away. Thanks!


>.>
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scribbler1382
01-01-2009, 12:47 PM
If 250 agents reject your novel, write a new novel. I fail to see how "lack of talent" equals "screw fellow writers out of their money".

TnD
01-01-2009, 01:15 PM
What is the point of this thread?

SPAM-alicious addition to the forum.

=rejected by 250 agents
Wow. Did someone miss the bus on this one? Could you not figure out that maybe (just maybe) you should think about trying to figure out why it was rejected that many times?

NeuroFizz
01-01-2009, 06:18 PM
This is pure spam--the link provided is a pay-for-services advertisement. Someone please pull the plug on this, particularly since the last line is "more to come."

Birol
01-01-2009, 06:40 PM
I removed the link.

I don't believe this is spam, so much as misguided self-promotion. Many self-published authors have been told to write and publish articles to establish their expertise. Possibly they are told to play in forums, too, in order to promote themselves.

Quakerphil has posted in other parts of AW, without spam-like links in his posts, before this. Albeit in 2005 and then the posts were often mis-guided attempts at humor or parody or attempts to seek assistance without responding to those who would have helped him.

Mostly, Quakerphil seems to have problems with the concept of "knowing his audience." Perhaps you guys could be so kind as to show him that AW is not full of star-eyed no0bs?

You all know where the line is. Do not cross it in your education attempts.

Matera the Mad
01-02-2009, 10:05 AM
I think that means no spanking :(

James D. Macdonald
01-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Perhaps you guys could be so kind as to show him that AW is not full of star-eyed no0bs?

Star-eyed n00bs? Here I thought it was full of star-nosed moles. Wow. I'm going to have to rethink my entire marketing campaign.

scarletpeaches
01-02-2009, 06:06 PM
...250 agents rejected one of my novels solely on the basis of a one-page query...

Save your money.

Work on the query.

blacbird
01-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Why is this conspicuously spamiferous thread still extant? Mods?

caw

TnD
01-03-2009, 01:31 PM
caw : Here's your answer...

I removed the link.

I don't believe this is spam, so much as misguided self-promotion. Many self-published authors have been told to write and publish articles to establish their expertise. Possibly they are told to play in forums, too, in order to promote themselves.

Quakerphil has posted in other parts of AW, without spam-like links in his posts, before this. Albeit in 2005 and then the posts were often mis-guided attempts at humor or parody or attempts to seek assistance without responding to those who would have helped him.

Mostly, Quakerphil seems to have problems with the concept of "knowing his audience." Perhaps you guys could be so kind as to show him that AW is not full of star-eyed no0bs?

You all know where the line is. Do not cross it in your education attempts.

mariedees
01-03-2009, 09:00 PM
The same message or one very similar showed up on Critique Circle the other day, so it looks like the poster is joining various writing groups, posting the ad and then possibly disappearing. That's more of a spam behavior. But I think they're discovering that all novelist do is mark their threads as spam and ignore them.

Marie