Sara Palin: The Turkey that just won't go away. [Archive]

Don

11-21-2008, 05:22 PM

Let's see, where to start, where to start.

First a disclaimer. Sarah Palin is a wart on the butt of the political process, so don't take this as a defense.

Next, this 'turkey' won't go away because those who don't care for her, instead of ignoring her, start threads about her that don't say a word about her politics, but instead lambast her for her clothing choices or what's going on in a video behind her. In that case they have only themselves to blame.

(NOTE: Vegetarians may skip the remainder of this post. I may not be one myself, but at least I can respect your convictions. The rest of you meat-eaters, read on.)

Finally, to all those who think turkeys are grown in the plastic wrappers they come in from the store and called this gruesome, please grow up.

That horror flick you watched last night was certainly more gruesome than what you saw in this video, and it was filmed purely for tittilation. If Sarah Palin hadn't been in the foreground, most people wouldn't even have noticed what was going on in the background.

Compared to my granny and her axe, the 'circle of life' act you observed in the background of this video was extremly tame. Animals have to be slaughtered every day for all sorts of reasons, and it shouldn't be the nanny state's job to keep you from being exposed to the harsh realities of life, but to help you appreciate what it takes to put that yummy bird on the table on Thursday.

Perhaps if more urban latte-drinkers saw this on a regular basis, they'd have some appreciation for their rural brothers and sisters who make sure there are plenty of those turkeys to go around Thanksgiving day.

You think turkey breasts and hamburger patties grow on trees? Please.

I can't believe this raises more outrage in this day and time than footage of the streets of Iraq. Those are people, these are turkeys. Get a grip.

SHBueche

11-21-2008, 06:05 PM

I've been a vegetarian for over 25 years, and I agree that it's good to show meat slaughtering every once in a while, just to show meat eaters where the food actually comes from. Remember those photos of Palin next to slaughtered moose carcasses (or is that carcai?).

mscelina

11-21-2008, 06:15 PM

I don't see how anyone could justify calling this a political thread. Seriously.

Don

11-21-2008, 06:19 PM

I don't see how anyone could justify calling this a political thread. Seriously.
I think it speaks quite well to the topics of partisanship, character assassination by association, and the urban disconnect from the reality of the circle of life. Those all strike me as political topics. :)

Higgins

11-21-2008, 06:20 PM

I don't see how anyone could justify calling this a political thread. Seriously.

As an urban latte-drinker I know a thread is "political" as soon as I see the
phrase "urban latte-drinker"...real Americans are obviously not "urban lattee-drinkers"...clearly.

dgiharris

11-21-2008, 06:23 PM

This video is the reason why campaign managers and PR people exist.

The biggest problem with people like Palin is that they make the mistake of not having PR people or a good assistant.

This is the reason why politics sucks. The public is a fickle fickle bunch, prone to paranoia and group think.

People need to understand that everything is Sarah Palin's fault. If it happens around her, in her office, if it is one of her subordinates, etc. etc. it is her fault. It is not right or wrong just the way 'politics' is.

I think Sarah needs to hire a competent PR person. Here is what PR people do.

PR Person: Hi Sarah and reporter, please cut tap on interview and restart over there.
Sarah: What's wrong PR, we're just doing the interview in front of the Turkey shop
PR Person: You don't want to do that
Sarah: For god's sake, what's the big deal doing this in front of the turkey house. I've been skinning my own birds since I was 5.
PR Person: Yeah, this is Alaska, no big deal, but some yuppie in California will start a protest and label you a baby seal killer
Sarah: This is a Turkey.
PR Person: Yuppies aren't that bright
Sarah: Look this is stupid
PR Person: Sarah, please move over there and restart interview. Please? For me?
Sarah: *sigh* Fine

End scene

Interview takes place, there is no story to post worldwide.

I see this problem on AW all the time. We keep thinking as individuals when it comes to politics. Try thinking in terms of the fickle masses. It is not right or wrong, it is just the way it is.

But on the plus size, from a PR side, this may not be so bad. The only thing worse than bad coverage is no coverage :) Luckily, we have the memory of goldfish in this country. She still has plenty of time to reinvent herself

Mel...

Higgins

11-21-2008, 06:23 PM

I think it speaks quite well to the topics of partisanship, character assassination by association, and the urban disconnect from the reality of the circle of life. Those all strike me as political topics. :)

Coffee beans were once living things and they are cuter than turkeys.
As an urban lattee drinker I know all about how cruel I can be to nature.
Hell, I ran over a cat just a few weeks ago. I stopped eating my cheese and drinking my wine long enough to say, "WTF was that?"

InfinityGoddess

11-21-2008, 06:26 PM

Next, this 'turkey' won't go away because those who don't care for her, instead of ignoring her, start threads about her that don't say a word about her politics, but instead lambast her for her clothing choices or what's going on in a video behind her. In that case they have only themselves to blame.

Actually, I think the only reason why she won't go away is that the media keeps paying attention to her. It's like, come on, here. The election is over. Time to move on.

Of course, these are the same people who obsess over the Clintons. So I'm not holding my breath that they will stop anytime soon.

J. Weiland

11-21-2008, 06:27 PM

What crime had the turkey committed and how many years had it been locked up before being pardoned?

I do believe that the dude in the background is a turkey serial killer.

Roger J Carlson

11-21-2008, 06:35 PM

What crime had the turkey committed and how many years had it been locked up before being pardoned?

I do believe that the dude in the background is a turkey serial killer.Another cereal killer. Oh the humanity!

https://www.storesonlinepro.com/files/1969008/uploaded/Young%20Man%20Eating%20Cereal.jpg

Don

11-21-2008, 06:36 PM

As an urban latte-drinker I know a thread is "political" as soon as I see the
phrase "urban latte-drinker"...real Americans are obviously not "urban lattee-drinkers"...clearly.
Well, if the Manolo Blahnik fits. :D

I'm certain I didn't use the term 'real Americans'... nope, let's see, what did I say?
Perhaps if more urban latte-drinkers saw this on a regular basis, they'd have some appreciation for their rural brothers and sisters who make sure there are plenty of those turkeys to go around Thanksgiving day.
Hmm... encouraging people to walk a mile in another's shoes before bringing judgement; using an appeal to universal brotherhood, which is, after all, a very PC concept?

Yeah, I'll stand by that statement.

Roger J Carlson

11-21-2008, 06:36 PM

The irony of this one is just heart-breaking.

http://www.lilystalent.com/core/galleries/tears/sam_rodman_life_cereal_tear.jpg

mscelina

11-21-2008, 06:55 PM

I think it speaks quite well to the topics of partisanship, character assassination by association, and the urban disconnect from the reality of the circle of life. Those all strike me as political topics. :)

*rolls eyes*

You know what I meant, Don. Is this a current event? Yes. Is it important? No. The psychological discussion and analysis of the response to it is interesting, but only in a 'why can't people just move the hell on?' sort of way.

The point about slaughtering animals, though, is well taken. ;)

I think I'm going to beg Dawno to impose a week long ban on Sarah Palin's name. I think we need a break.

Higgins

11-21-2008, 07:17 PM

Well, if the Manolo Blahnik fits. :D

I'm certain I didn't use the term 'real Americans'... nope, let's see, what did I say?

Hmm... encouraging people to walk a mile in another's shoes before bringing judgement; using an appeal to universal brotherhood, which is, after all, a very PC concept?

Yeah, I'll stand by that statement.

My god, it's like you're trying to speak the urban latte language. I think together we can work this all out. I know you have to feel like only people who don't drink latte in an urban area can possibly really have any idea what real life is really like for people who get up every day and kill lots of animals. I can see that and I'm okay with that, but you know wine and cheese are naturally foods too. I'm just saying, uh...many good things come from the natural world that aren't hacked apart...though I think what coffee beans go thorugh is a lot worse than what happens to Turkeys...but then maybe I should be less sensitive about what goes on in the bean-roaster. It's the circle of life. Some beans just get roasted and then ground up and then have steam blasted though their powered carapaces.

C.bronco

11-21-2008, 07:44 PM

If she hunts and fishes, then she most likely wouldn't be affronted by turkey slayin'.

Now I just keep thinking about turkey and cranberry sauce, mashed potatos, gravy, stuffing... is it lunch time yet?

Inky

11-21-2008, 08:25 PM

I'm a carnivore.
Save a head of lettuce; kill a cow. And I prefer it still mooing.

I'm no bubble head when it comes to what happens to an animal in order for me to enjoy hamburger, steak, chicken, cows tongue, liver, fish--any variety...so, carry on, Palin...you see, regardless of what she does, one either likes her or doesn't. I don't care for what she's allowed us to see of her, but as for the turkey...pfff...next week I'll have turkey, pig, and chicken on my table...better someone else to do the slaughtering...makes my job easier. And I'll eat all of it, guilt free.

The turkey didn't make Palin a baffoon, she does that quite well all on her own.

kuwisdelu

11-21-2008, 08:36 PM

I haven't watched the video yet, but I'll just assume the turkeys were killed humanely (i.e., not beaten to death and not skinned alive, like I've seen on some videos). Assuming that, then, I agree with Don, this is no big deal.

Just a really stupid PR move.

And as for the dead turkey's, I'll add this: unfortunately, not all our meat is killed humanely. I don't care if you kill it, but for fuck's sake, don't torture it first. It doesn't work if you tenderize it before the meat is even off the friggin' bone.

Kill it mercifully or I'll slaughter it myself.

mscelina

11-21-2008, 08:37 PM

kuwisdelu

11-21-2008, 08:42 PM

As a chick who grew up on a farm and learned how to snap a chicken's head off at the ripe old age of eight, this is all a bunch of hooey.

Go to a veal farm if you want to be horrified. This is nothing.

Aye, as I said, I didn't see the video so I will simply assume this is nothing. Cutting a sheep's jugular makes a snapped chicken neck look like child's play. (Well, you were a child, so...point made! But then...so was I. Crap.)

Julie Worth

11-21-2008, 08:44 PM

The turkey killing isn't the story, It's the fact that she pardoned one turkey while standing in front of a guy slaughtering two others, JUST FREAKEN STUPID.....

Does she even have the authority to pardon a turkey?

kuwisdelu

11-21-2008, 08:45 PM

Does she even have the authority to pardon a turkey?

Did they even have a trial in the first place?

Are turkey's entitled to due process of law?

Was it judged by a jury of its peers?

The questions go on and on...

mscelina

11-21-2008, 08:45 PM

LMAO!

I have an uncle who used to rock chickens to sleep. He'd tuck their heads under his arm and rock them back and forth until they went limp.

Then he'd climb on top of the picnic table and throw the chicken as high as he could in the air. That's how I discovered that chickens can't fly. Was it cruel? Yes.

Was it funny?

It was absofreakinglutely hysterical.

But yeah--been in on the slaughter in the fall when one of the pigs has to go and one of the cows has to go. Once you've slaughtered a half ton quadipred mammal, the demise of a turkey isn't all that exciting.

Inky

11-21-2008, 08:47 PM

Guess that's my problem too..spent a few years on a farm...at first, I was horrified, but after nearly a year of eating pancakes every time they killed the cow and then bled it...well...there's NOTHING like FRESH steak. You either learn to get over it, or become a vegetarian.
I tried that.
It lasted all of....lunch. By dinner, I had a bow & arrow and entered the grocery store, ready to kill anything plump, furry, and possessing hooves.
The manager took pity on me...and then took me by the hand to the meat section....I nearly fainted with euphoria.

Being stationed a world away...oh how I miss barbacoa wrapped in tortilla...isn't that like the inside of the cows head??? :ROFL:

Yeah..I agree...that bullshit of torturing an animal to death isn't right...make the kill clean and swift! None of that suffering crap!

Fraulein

11-21-2008, 09:04 PM

Next week, when you are shovelling turkey onto your plate, ask yourself if it's still gruesome.I caught a glimpse of that video last night, and it made me nauseous. I nearly threw up. I had to get my friend to stop playing the video... Thankfully they had blurred out the gruesomeness.

This video negates any of the attractive qualities that she might have had... sorry Shadow Ferret, but she's not "adorable"- all cattiness aside... she's nauseating.

Don

11-21-2008, 09:16 PM

I caught a glimpse of that video last night, and it made me nauseous. I nearly threw up. I had to get my friend to stop playing the video... Thankfully they had blurred out the gruesomeness.
I think we have to be talking about two totally different videos. I watched the whole thing, waiting for the gore. I saw a turkey kick it's feet a couple of times.
This video negates any of the attractive qualities that she might have had... sorry Shadow Ferret, but she's not "adorable"- all cattiness aside... she's nauseating.
She didn't shoot or release the video, and it wasn't a 'Sarah shows how to kill turkey' video. I don't understand how this video has any real impact on your view of her. Is it not appropriate for her to be at a turkey farm?

James81

11-21-2008, 09:21 PM

I caught a glimpse of that video last night, and it made me nauseous. I nearly threw up. I had to get my friend to stop playing the video... Thankfully they had blurred out the gruesomeness.

This video negates any of the attractive qualities that she might have had... sorry Shadow Ferret, but she's not "adorable"- all cattiness aside... she's nauseating.

Is this your way of telling us that you are a vegetarian?

Williebee

11-21-2008, 09:24 PM

Step 1: Don't think about pink elephants

Step 2: Don't think about pink elephants that can get people to vote for them.

Step 3: Hey, who elected the pink elephant?

Higgins

11-21-2008, 09:31 PM

Is it not appropriate for her to be at a turkey farm?

I think it is totally appropriate for her to be at a Turkey farm, just like it is totally appropriate for me to be having some vegetables with my urban latte and wine and cheese.

Fraulein

11-21-2008, 09:31 PM

I think we have to be talking about two totally different videos. I watched the whole thing, waiting for the gore. I saw a turkey kick it's feet a couple of times.

She didn't shoot or release the video, and it wasn't a 'Sarah shows how to kill turkey' video. I don't understand how this video has any real impact on your view of her. Is it not appropriate for her to be at a turkey farm?Maybe there are a few versions of the video, different angles possibly. I didn't watch too much of it.

There are less-cruel methods of killing... oxygen --> nitrogen asphyxiation comes to mind, i.e. more appropriate ways of killing turkeys.

Since she was at that farm, she now reminds me of cruelty to animals, and that is not attractive.

Her association with that video makes her nauseating. It's like eating a particular food while you're nauseated, and then every time you see or smell the food, it reminds you of the nausea.

I can't get a good thought flow to explain myself. Sorry.
I've had three exams and a quiz this week, and I still have a presentation this afternoon. My brain is a little fatigued right now. :poke:

Fraulein

11-21-2008, 09:32 PM

Is this your way of telling us that you are a vegetarian?I thought that was common knowledge around here...

Julie Worth

11-21-2008, 09:34 PM

I do believe that the dude in the background is a turkey serial killer.

I was hoping to hear from him. He kept looking over like he had something to say. And who knows, if he'd only had the courage to step forward, he could've become Bob the Butcher, with a seven figure book deal.

RumpleTumbler

11-21-2008, 09:52 PM

http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8684/saskatoonmh7.jpg

Tirjasdyn

11-21-2008, 10:21 PM

James81

11-21-2008, 10:26 PM

I thought that was common knowledge around here...

I've never seen you before today. lol

***

Anyway, I have a question. Why are we all accepting the idea of "pardoning a turkey" without asking any frikin questions about what the hell that means?

Tirjasdyn

11-21-2008, 10:29 PM

I've never seen you before today. lol

***

Anyway, I have a question. Why are we all accepting the idea of "pardoning a turkey" without asking any frikin questions about what the hell that means?

I've always thought it was stupid. I'm pretty sure pardon turkey's eventually get eaten anyway.

And people say American's don't have traditions.

Jcomp

11-21-2008, 10:49 PM

That was just sort of surreal. It looked like an SNL sketch in the making. I kept waiting for Andy Samberg to hop out...

Williebee

11-21-2008, 10:51 PM

next week I'll have turkey, pig, and chicken on my table.

Oooooo Hey kids, we're havin'g TurPigKen this year!

blacbird

11-21-2008, 10:55 PM

I think Sarah needs to hire a competent PR person.

You are correct. The real point here is that she hasn't yet, despite everything, figured this out. But she still wants to be in that camera eye, always and ever.

Sarah Palin wants to be a viable national political figure for the future, she really needs to start getting some sane, sensible advice about her comportment, and listening to it.

caw

Higgins

11-21-2008, 10:59 PM

I've always thought it was stupid. I'm pretty sure pardon turkey's eventually get eaten anyway.

And people say American's don't have traditions.

"eaten anyway" is a big tradition all over the world. And here too!

Shadow_Ferret

11-21-2008, 11:17 PM

The video just made me hungry.

What was the OP's point?

Alpha Echo

11-21-2008, 11:21 PM

Huh...doesn't everyone know that it's a tradition in the US for the president and most governors to pardon one turkey at either Christmas or Thanksgiving...usually at a slaughterhouse or farm...then go have turkey dinner?

Old news...not the first time I've seen a governor at a farm/slaughter house doing something like this...making the same stupid jokes.

Reminds me I need to buy some salt for the brine for next weeks turkey.

I was thinking this also. Actually, I'd never heard of it until last year, my boss was talking about it and says it's a tradition. This happens every year in more than one state.

Not a big deal. The whole thing - not a big deal.

dgiharris

11-21-2008, 11:49 PM

That was just sort of surreal. It looked like an SNL sketch in the making. I kept waiting for Andy Samberg to hop out...

That is hilarious. I was thinking that exact same thing as it was going on. That it was an SNL skit. An actual skit. With Tiny Fey.

Originally Posted by dgiharris http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2984433#post2984433)
I think Sarah needs to hire a competent PR person.
You are correct. The real point here is that she hasn't yet, despite everything, figured this out. But she still wants to be in that camera eye, always and ever.

Sarah Palin wants to be a viable national political figure for the future, she really needs to start getting some sane, sensible advice about her comportment, and listening to it.

My favorite part of the whole thing was the Rancher who kept looking back at the camera like, "um guys, i'm about to kill this bird, umm... you sure about your location."
Then after about 30 or so seconds he shrugs, tries to block the view with his body, then gets back to work.

APparently, he was the only person their with some inkling of PR skills.

I think I will start a campaign. The campaign will be to get Palin a PR person. If ever there was someone in dire need of one it is her.

In fact, can you think of anyone, in the entire history of US politics / culture who needs a PR person more?

Mel...

Higgins

11-22-2008, 12:18 AM

That is hilarious. I was thinking that exact same thing as it was going on. That it was an SNL skit. An actual skit. With Tiny Fey.

My favorite part of the whole thing was the Rancher who kept looking back at the camera like, "um guys, i'm about to kill this bird, umm... you sure about your location."
Then after about 30 or so seconds he shrugs, tries to block the view with his body, then gets back to work.

APparently, he was the only person their with some inkling of PR skills.

I think I will start a campaign. The campaign will be to get Palin a PR person. If ever there was someone in dire need of one it is her.

In fact, can you think of anyone, in the entire history of US politics / culture who needs a PR person more?

Mel...

William Jennings Bryan? Maybe?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/WmJBryan%2Bwife.jpg/800px-WmJBryan%2Bwife.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/WmJBryan%2Bwife.jpg)

Julie Worth

11-22-2008, 12:47 AM

APparently, he was the only person their with some inkling of PR skills.

Didn't look like he had an inkling of anything. If he did, he would have waited a couple of minutes and not embarrassed his governor. BTW, this method of killing turkeys is pretty horrible. What he was doing down there was slitting its throat, after which it takes a while for it to die. The cone is to control the thrashing.

Tirjasdyn

11-22-2008, 12:51 AM

Didn't look like he had an inkling of anything. If he did, he would have waited a couple of minutes and not embarrassed his governor. BTW, this method of killing turkeys is pretty horrible. What he was doing down there was slitting its throat, after which it takes a while for it to die. The cone is to control the thrashing.

Kosher...it makes the turkey kosher to drain the blood like that.

Revelationz

11-22-2008, 01:06 AM

I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. Aw, shit, I just did! :D

I think this stuff about Sara Palin needs to end. You think she's stupid? Well, the campaign is over. She lost. Let it go. It's like picking on a mentally handicapped kid at this point. It's just.... sad. Really. Have some mercy.

Williebee

11-22-2008, 01:11 AM

Kosher...it makes the turkey kosher to drain the blood like that.

New THREAD!

GOV. PALIN IS JEWISH! WHY'D SHE HIDE IT?!?!

Wait, wasn't I one of those who wanted the Palin prompts to die?

ah well, anything for a cheap joke.

Tirjasdyn

11-22-2008, 01:15 AM

New THREAD!

GOV. PALIN IS JEWISH! WHY'D SHE HIDE IT?!?!

Wait, wasn't I one of those who wanted the Palin prompts to die?

ah well, anything for a cheap joke.

You're just scary.

blacbird

11-22-2008, 01:36 AM

I think this stuff about Sara Palin needs to end. You think she's stupid? Well, the campaign is over. She lost. Let it go. It's like picking on a mentally handicapped kid at this point. It's just.... sad. Really. Have some mercy.

Ah, but you see, there are all kinds of people (including some prominent ones here at this board) pushing Palin forward as the next Republican Presidential nominee, even "the first female President". And she's desperately trying to stay in that limelight, at every opportunity. That makes her continue to be both fair and appropriate game.

She could, if she wants, settle back into her Governor's office and do Governor stuff; in fact, most of us here in the state would prefer that, I think. We need some Governor stuff done, ya know? Hasn't been much of it the past three months now. Doing every photo-op she can find is going to keep her out there in the cross-hairs of satirists, until she figures out how to keep those events sufficiently dignified and not make them fodder for further caricature.

It's her choice. Heat+kitchen, etc.

caw

RumpleTumbler

11-22-2008, 01:48 AM

Desperately? :roll:

Jcomp

11-22-2008, 01:49 AM

New THREAD!

GOV. PALIN IS JEWISH! WHY'D SHE HIDE IT?!?!

Wait, wasn't I one of those who wanted the Palin prompts to die?

ah well, anything for a cheap joke.

Come on man, that's my whole point of being on the site. You actually contribute to conversations, I do cheap jokes. If you start doing cheap jokes I've got nothing.

It's like Superman beating The Flash in a footrace. Leave me with something man...

astonwest

11-22-2008, 02:16 AM

Cutting a sheep's jugular makes a snapped chicken neck look like child's play.
It could have been far worse...they could have been castrating bulls and rams. That's loads of entertainment for the whole family.

kuwisdelu

11-22-2008, 02:18 AM

It could have been far worse...they could have been castrating bulls and rams. That's loads of entertainment for the whole family.

My English teacher from high school has this story about castrating a pet calf...

StephanieFox

11-22-2008, 03:21 AM

Kosher ways of killing animals is one of the most humaine. The animal's throat is but and the head is lifted up in large animals. With birds and smaller animals, they are upside down. The throat must be cut with a very sharp knife in one movement - no stopping in the middle of the stroke.

This means that the pain is minimal. When the head of the animal is lifted up and the blood drains (which should only take a few seconds) the animal becomes unconscious. If a mistake is made, the animal is not kosher and the meat can't be eaten by Jews who keep kosher.

Killing animals can be nasty, but the less pain inflicted, the better. However, we have no proof that this was a kosher farm. I kind of doubt it, since the need for kosher birds on Orthodox tables is probably small up there in Alaska. But, ya never know.

Julie Worth

11-22-2008, 03:26 AM

This means that the pain is minimal.

Yeah, right. Kosher killing is cruel, there's no two ways about it.

donroc

11-22-2008, 04:04 AM

Yeah, right. Kosher killing is cruel, there's no two ways about it.

But presumably healthier for humans who eat fowl.

Robert Toy

11-22-2008, 04:13 AM

But presumably healthier for humans who eat fowl.
Catching a fish pulling it in, and let it flop around gasping to death is much humane....;)

kikazaru

11-22-2008, 04:35 AM

shawkins

11-22-2008, 05:07 AM

But presumably healthier for humans who eat fowl.

Are there in fact hygenic advantages to kosher killing? Serious question.

dgiharris

11-22-2008, 05:25 AM

donroc

11-22-2008, 05:52 AM

My maternal grandfather was a schochet, a kosher ritual chicken slaughterer and retailer in the old Fillmore District and later Boyel Heights in L.A. dglharris said what he used to say about blood. I might add, the Chinese used to come to my grandfather and ask for any sick/rejected chickens for their restaurants in San Francisco's Chinatown.

Do modern FDA regulations make ritual killing unnecessary? That I cannot answer. I was not raised in a kosher home.

Do vegetables feel pain when removed from the soil, fruit too when pulled from the vine? I cannot answer that either.

Williebee

11-22-2008, 06:20 AM

Writing derail ahead:

Do vegetables feel pain when removed from the soil, fruit too when pulled from the vine? I cannot answer that either.

What do you think that would make someone like Johnny Appleseed?

Hmm, there's a short story there somewhere...

rugcat

11-22-2008, 06:35 AM

Do vegetables feel pain when removed from the soil, fruit too when pulled from the vine? I cannot answer that either

Hmm, there's a short story there somewhere...

Roald Dahl, The Sound Machine
(http://www.roalddahlfans.com/shortstories/soun.php)

Fraulein

11-22-2008, 06:38 AM

I've never seen you before today. lolWell, if that's the case, then can you delete that rep from a few months ago? I didn't like it to begin with. ;) I must have been repped by mistake.

Anyway... I gotta go study. I can't wait until May 2010, because this study-on-Friday-nights mess will be over with! :e2smack:

Williebee

11-22-2008, 07:03 AM

Roald Dahl

And who better? Thanks Rugcat!

billythrilly7th

11-22-2008, 07:26 AM

This is the most absurd piece of material I have ever seen, I had to share if you haven't seen this yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/20/sarah-palin-holds-news-co_n_145375.html

It is a bit on the gruesome side, but one has to ask, is this lady just this politically dumb, or what?

Enjoy the latest version of Theatre of the Absurd, courtesy of Sara, "I'm not a Washington insider" no shit, Palin.......

Wow, I didn't even know what this thread was about until now. I thought it was that she wasn't able to name her favorite color or something.

LOL....funny video. Maybe not for the Turkey's, but this is A material.

Upside down Turkey's in a medal or metal thing of some sort.

They lived good lives.

Eating, walking around, etc.

And then Palin showed up. And it was all over.

Evil woman.

RIP Turkey's.

You won't be around for the depression or the New Yankee stadium.

So it's some good and some bad.

But hopefully, some small boy with a dream and tear in his eye will enjoy you on Thanksgiving.

Life well lived, Turkeys.

Live well lived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GCdkuQoLrY

blacbird

11-22-2008, 07:46 AM

Trilzy, here's the deal, as plainly as I can put it:

Sarah Palin got elevated from complete obscurity into the klieg lights of national electoral politics via a whim from John McCain. Not the first time that's happened to a political candidate, and not by any means a fault. Or, necessarily, a virtue. All depends on the fortunate one's response to the good luck.

Sarah Palin's initial response to the good luck was . . . let's say, less than ideal. What we witnessed between the end of August and First Tuesday in November largely was an episode of "Sarah and Todd's Excellent Adventure".

Or, phrased another way, she needs to do better. Can she? Yes. Will she? Jury's out.

She has to figure out how to be Sarah Palin, responsible political figure, and eschew being The Palin, Superheroine of the Right. She's got some work to do. As silly as the Turkey incident is, on its face, it feeds into the perception that she doesn't really understand what she's doing. She can't keep feeding that perception. Somewhere along the line she needs to start paying attention to the world outside The Palin.

We'll see.

But I predict you'll find a new hero or heroine prior to 2012. Pay attention to Bobby Jindal.

caw

C.bronco

11-22-2008, 07:49 AM

Man, I tell you: after seeing that video and dreaming of Thanksgiving culinary delights, I settled for Taco Bell for lunch. It just didn't ring my bell after dreaming of turkey with the fixin's!

billythrilly7th

11-22-2008, 08:06 AM

But I predict you'll find a new hero or heroine prior to 2012. Pay attention to Bobby Jindal.

caw

Please.

I've been on Bobby Jindal's jock since before you were a scratch in your daddy's underwear.

And she ain't my hero. I got big problems with seeming religious wackos like her and Hickabee.

But she will be my President.

It's destiny.

You heard it here first.

billythrilly7th

11-22-2008, 08:07 AM

Somewhere along the line she needs to start paying attention to the world outside The Palin.

She's gonna spend the next two years getting that passport more of a workout than Madonna's privates at the NBA all-star games circa 1989-2001.

aruna

11-22-2008, 11:44 AM

I don't even know what the hell "Kosher" is.

All I know is it is Jewish.

That's about it.

Mel...

Serious derail here, but very funny. Earlier this year, in the BBC's The Apprentice, Sir Alan Sugar sent the teams to Marrakesh. One of the tasks was to buy a KOSHER chicken... not very easy, since Marrakesh is predominately Muslim.

This video (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HCh3VDK_S9Y) shows two of the contestants, not understanding the word kosher, trying to expain to non-English speaking MUSLIM chicken butchers that they want a kosher chicken, and then proudly settling for a HALAL chicken!

"Who blesses the chicken?"
"A holy man."
"So we have to find a holy man. And a mosque."
"Oh look, his head's getting chopped off!"
"I don't think it's appropriate to take chickens into a mosque."
"Am I being stupid, that kosher chicken is Jewish, and this is a Muslim country?"
"Muslims have kosher chicken."
"cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck!" (chicken gestures)
"Religious, like this." (sign of the cross.)
"The chicken has to be blessed by somebody from the mosque."
"Is he from the mosque? Can he say a prayer over the chicken?"
"We want the chicken blessed to make it halal."
"Halal, Allah, Allah!"

The funniest thing is, one of these contestants had previously claimed he was Jewish... so here's how it went in the boardroom...

are you Jewish? (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1G256H_Q0bI)

"If you aren't sure you can always pull your trousers down so you can check!"

blacbird

11-22-2008, 11:49 AM

But she will be my President.

It's destiny.

You heard it here first.

No, actually, I've heard it "here" about twenty times earlier. As for her use of passport, I'm of divided mind. On the one hand, it would do her good if she did get out a bit more, especially if she could do so with open eyes and open mind. On the other, she is . . . uhhhh . . . kind of . . . the Governor of my state . . . and needs to attend to those duties, instead of running for President four or eight years down the road, ya know?

caw

blacbird

11-22-2008, 11:55 AM

I've been on Bobby Jindal's jock since before you were a scratch in your daddy's underwear.

I was a scratch in my daddy's underwear long before Bobby Jindal or you were born.

In fact, it wasn't underwear I was a scratch in. It was sabertooth tiger skins, back in the cave, behind the fire.

caw

aruna

11-22-2008, 11:58 AM

On the one hand, it would do her good if she did get out a bit more, especially if she could do so with open eyes and open mind.
caw

The question is, if she "gets out a bit more" simply for political expediency, instead of out of genuine curiosity (which is the reason MOST people travel) will do her one iota of good? Can she make up in 4 or 8 years what she has lacked for the thirty odd years of her adult life? Will it change her fundamentally?

My answer: no. Understanding of the world and how its many cultures function is a process which grows slowly over time. You can't fast track that understanding.

And such understanding IMO is essential for anyone aspiring to world leadership. Which is what the US Presidency essentially is.

billythrilly7th

11-22-2008, 12:13 PM

I was a scratch in my daddy's underwear long before Bobby Jindal or you were born.

In fact, it wasn't underwear I was a scratch in. It was sabertooth tiger skins, back in the cave, behind the fire.

caw

Yabba dabba doo.

billythrilly7th

11-22-2008, 12:14 PM

No, actually, I've heard it "here" about twenty times earlier. As for her use of passport, I'm of divided mind. On the one hand, it would do her good if she did get out a bit more, especially if she could do so with open eyes and open mind. On the other, she is . . . uhhhh . . . kind of . . . the Governor of my state . . . and needs to attend to those duties, instead of running for President four or eight years down the road, ya know?

caw

Your state is a frozen popsicle. And frozen things don't move, so there's no reason to watch them.

Get out there, Sarah.

Alaska will still be frozen when you get back.

Elaine Margarett

11-22-2008, 03:22 PM

That was just bizarre.

I'm no Palin fan but it was extremely unfortunate that the cameraman didn't have enough smarts to just move over so that the turkey killer was not in the background. You'd think that a professional would make sure there were no distractions in the frame - and a big guy in blood stained overalls, stuffing live turkeys into a cone is a HUGE distraction. I couldn't keep my eyes off him and barely heard a word that Palin said.

Yes, but when she talks it's still difficult to understand her, dead turkeys notwithstanding. Run on sentances, fractured sentences, train of thought that essentially goes no where. The more she speaks the more empty she sounds.

Her fifteen minutes of fame might stretch out to twenty minutes but it's meaningless in the larger scheme of things. She's a big fish in the little pond of Alaskan politics. She'll have no impact on a national scale; she's not up to the task.

God love her...
:-)

Don Allen

11-22-2008, 08:21 PM

Well, I enjoyed everyones comments here mostly laughing as I think we all get the bizarre irony of the episode, but I do have to say this, which to some degree pains me..
I'am starting to like Sara Palin a bit more than I did when McCain tossed her into the national spotlight like a rag doll from the wings of the political forum.

In reality she is just like you and I, ordinary people who go about are days doing things that seem very ordinary to her, unfortunately she gets caught up in this 24 hour media feeding frenzie and gets burned just about every time out.

Like dgiharris said earlier and wonderfully, she lacks a PR guy, and needs to hire someone to follow her around and keep her out of trouble. I still don't think she would or should ever become president because her lack of media savvy and general naivete' while in reality is somewhat refreshing and admirable, would destroy her on the worlds political front. .........................................So that wraps it up for this addition of "Mrs Palin goes to Washington"

William Haskins

11-22-2008, 08:32 PM

if republicans are smart, they'll keep trotting this lightning rod out into the public eye for another two or three years while, behind the scenes, they rebuild the party by nurturing a socially moderate, fiscally conservative, foreign policy hardass wing of the party.

that way, as the urbane chattering classes obsessively condemn her provincial ways and make fun of her accent, while the arch-feminists obsessively spread propaganda of secret pregnancies and shriek about her views on abortion, while wonks obsessively make fun of her poor grasp of world affairs, the right will be provided cover by this stalking horse and, with a sweep of their hand, can brush her aside and reveal a renewed energy of conservative thought, embodied in a solid candidate.

of course, all this is predicated on republicans being smart. so... you know...

Don Allen

11-22-2008, 08:38 PM

To be or not to be, et tu Brute..... good to see you W.H

StephanieFox

11-22-2008, 09:22 PM

I don't even know what the hell "Kosher" is.

All I know is it is Jewish.

That's about it.

But if it means you drain the blood from it, then yes, there would be benefits.

Bad/Dead blood accelerates decay as it is a breeding ground for bacteria and enzymes.

Mel...

OK. What is kosher? It has nothing to do with blessings by rabbis. Rabbis are teachers (that's what the word means), not priests. Especially trained rabbis are hired to inspect the meat since it can have no sign of disease. Also, the hind end of the animal is not kosher. The reason for this is completely silly, having to do with Jacob wrestling God and pulling a muscle in his leg.

Other than this, Kosher means that the food must fit in to catagories of Jewish law and is mostly a purity thing; not just physical purity but spiritual purity. Blood must be drained because it is spiritually impure. Even after the cook gets the meat from the supermarket to the kitchen it must be kashered – rubbed with salt to draw out any residual blood – then rinsed. This is why there is kosher salt. The salt isn't kosher, it's to make things kosher.

The kind of animals are also restricted. No carrion eaters, no animals with paws or have split hooves in the front. Animals must chew cud. Fish must have fins and scales (no shark, no catfish, no shellfish). Since the method of butchering is prescribed, no hunted meat is allowed. Pig is not allowed because it doesn't chew cud and has the wrong kind of hoofs, not because of tricinosis or any other disease. (For heaven's sake – medicine was not far enough along three thousand years ago to find the cause of this disease, even if it exsisted in the Near East at the time.)

If you are strict in your kosher eating, you'll also keep separate any milk and meat. You can't eat them at the same time and some even keep separate dishes, sinks, etc for milk and meat. If you go to a kosher meat restaurant, you won't be able to get cheese on your hamburger, for example, or cream for your coffee. If you are in a kosher dairy restaurant, you won't get meat products, but you can order fish, which is neither milk or meat (this is called parve.) Veggies are also parve.

I am always surprised at the accusation that the method of butchering is attacked as being more cruel than that of standard butchering. Part of kosher law is to make suffering minimal. It certainly is better than hitting the animal on the head with an electric hammer, then cutting it open without checking if it's still alive, which is how things are done in regular slaugher houses.

Keep in mind that this is a quick overview of things kosher. It can get a lot more complicated. The majority of Jews do not keep kosher. Jews who do keep kosher can keep various degrees of kosher. I don't keep any kind of kosher at all.

Higgins

11-23-2008, 12:35 AM

that way, as the urbane chattering classes obsessively condemn her provincial ways and make fun of her accent, while the arch-feminists obsessively spread propaganda of secret pregnancies and shriek about her views on abortion, while wonks obsessively make fun of her poor grasp of world affairs, the right will be provided cover by this stalking horse and, with a sweep of their hand, can brush her aside and reveal a renewed energy of conservative thought, embodied in a solid candidate.

I'm urbanely awaiting a solid candidate. However I must confess that it is not clear to me why this "solid candidate" has to be sequestered (for now) behind a deceptive smoke screen of grotesque idiocy and I marvel even more that this screen of folly shows how smart the Republicans are. Maybe the idiocy is true, genuine non-urbane idiocy -- idiocy from the non-urbane heart as it were.

Anyway, back to my urban latte.

astonwest

11-23-2008, 12:46 AM

On the other, she is . . . uhhhh . . . kind of . . . the Governor of my state . . . and needs to attend to those duties, instead of running for President four or eight years down the road, ya know?
I feel the same way about Kathleen Sebelius, who continued to get a lot of press during the campaign (at least locally) about being a potential VP candidate, now all the press about being a potential cabinet member, blah blah blah...

William Haskins

11-23-2008, 12:50 AM

I'm urbanely awaiting a solid candidate. However I must confess that it is not clear to me why this "solid candidate" has to be sequestered (for now) behind a deceptive smoke screen of grotesque idiocy and I marvel even more that this screen of folly shows how smart the Republicans are.

not by plan, sir, but by circumstance. palin captured the public imagination; there is no denying that.

my point is that if the republicans are solely riding what they believe to be her groundswell, then they are bound for disappointment.

my point is that sober-minded republicans would do well to actively work on an alternative presentation while so many of her obsessive fans and her obsessive detractors are so focused on her.

blacbird

11-23-2008, 01:10 AM

my point is that sober-minded republicans would do well to actively work on an alternative presentation while so many of her obsessive fans and her obsessive detractors are so focused on her.

Exactly. The Force is telling me that, by 2012, she will not be the droid you seek.

Move along.

caw

cethklein

11-23-2008, 01:46 AM

I'll have you know, I have NEVAH used a shovel when placing ANY form of meat on my plate...

Then you just haven't lived.

cethklein

11-23-2008, 01:54 AM

Exactly. The Force is telling me that, by 2012, she will not be the droid you seek.

caw

2012? She won't be the droid in 2009. Palin was a gimmick (not her fault) that was dreamed up to get people wound up and excited. It DID get people excited. Unfortunately, for every base Republican (who likely would have voted McCain anyway if anything just to keep Obama out) it likely ran off two independents.

I said it a week before the election thatm sot in the party would toss the poor woman under the bus if they lost. I was right, unfortunately. It didn't take a person with a gift for precognition to see that coming though.

The cold hard fact is that Palin was used in what is among the most disgusting political gimmicks I've ever seen performed. Will she still have fans in 2012, sure she will. But it wont' matter, the GOP won't let her have a chance even if she wants one. I see her instead being a spoiler who ruins the chance for soem other poor sap who wants the nomination. She'll be a Ralph Nader. Good for her if she is. The party deserves it, including McCain, whose so-called defense of her psot-election was not only late, it was half-assed at best.

It's ironic because he too, will (and already is in soem circles) being thrown under the bus by the party as well. It serves him right for sellnig out to them.

astonwest

11-23-2008, 02:48 AM

Palin was a gimmick (not her fault) that was dreamed up to get people wound up and excited.And lo and behold, it's working even better than they'd imagined...weeks after the election, and people still can't stop getting wound up and excited about her.

:)

blacbird

11-23-2008, 03:00 AM

And lo and behold, it's working even better than they'd imagined...weeks after the election, and people still can't stop getting wound up and excited about her.

Or laughing at her.

caw

Robert Toy

11-23-2008, 04:15 AM

Or laughing at her.

caw
Very mature behavior...:Shrug:

William Haskins

11-23-2008, 04:20 AM

Or laughing at her.

caw

this is the greater irony. only a fairly limited set of social conservatives are still taking her seriously on the right; it is the obsession on the part of the left that poses the real danger of distraction.

Roger J Carlson

11-23-2008, 04:28 AM

Or laughing at her.

caw

Very mature behavior...:Shrug:This is the Left's greatest weapon. They perfected it with Dan Quayle. The Right tried it with Bill Clinton, but they just don't have the touch. They also don't have the implicit support of Hollywood.

mscelina

11-23-2008, 04:28 AM

Well of course. After all, if this woman had been elected Vice President, she would have been the first holder of that position to single-handedly find a way to change the Constitution...

*rolls eyes*

Robert Toy

11-23-2008, 04:32 AM

mscelina

11-23-2008, 04:35 AM

Ah, yes. I forgot about that too.

blacbird

11-23-2008, 10:03 AM

This is the Left's greatest weapon. They perfected it with Dan Quayle. The Right tried it with Bill Clinton, but they just don't have the touch.

Dan Quayle was a moron, in terms of public appearance. Clinton wasn't. Satirists made as much fun of Bill Clinton (still do; see Frank Caliendo) as they did of Dan Quayle. Clinton laughed at it; Quayle just seemed confused. Makes a huge difference. Which is the single major criticism I currently make about Sarah Palin. Now, she has some time and opportunity to improve. The turkey incident suggests that she still hasn't come to grips with that reality, and remains dependent on the high-school-cheerleader syndrome of bestowed popularity to carry her through.

caw

aruna

11-23-2008, 03:24 PM

This is the Left's greatest weapon. They perfected it with Dan Quayle. The Right tried it with Bill Clinton, but they just don't have the touch. They also don't have the implicit support of Hollywood.

But you have to admit she provided very rich fodder for humour. That thing about Putin rearing his head over Alaska's airspace was hilarious, and I'd have found it hilarious no matter who said it.

The Clinton-cigar-joke I believe was enjoyed by people of both the right and the left, and really diehard Clinton loyalists just had to swallow it - no pun intended. Funny is sometimes just funny, and sometimes a cigar is really just a cigar, not a right-cigar or a left-cigar.

Robert Toy

11-23-2008, 03:58 PM

I sure will be glad when the election is over.

aruna

11-23-2008, 04:18 PM

I sure will be glad when the election is over.

It's called Afterplay, and it's fun!

Robert Toy

11-23-2008, 04:24 PM

Right...mention Obama and AW goes into a friggin tail spin.

RumpleTumbler

11-23-2008, 04:26 PM

It's called Afterplay, and it's fun!

That's not what the urban dictionary says afterplay is.

aruna

11-23-2008, 04:34 PM

ok. I'll settle for a latte and popcorn.

cethklein

11-23-2008, 04:47 PM

Right...mention Obama and AW goes into a friggin tail spin.

And mention Sarah Palin and YOU go into a tailspin (among other things). This is why I love P&CE, everyone is represented. Every politician has their zealots.

dmytryp

11-23-2008, 04:56 PM

And mention Sarah Palin and YOU go into a tailspin (among other things). This is why I love P&CE, everyone is represented. Every politician has their zealots.
Except that Obama is the president-elect and is being criticised for relevant actions and proposed policies, while Palin is the governor of Alaska and is being criticised for... What is she being criticised for?

Robert Toy

11-23-2008, 05:10 PM

cethklein

11-23-2008, 05:18 PM

Except that Obama is the president-elect and is being criticised for relevant actions and proposed policies, while Palin is the governor of Alaska and is being criticised for... What is she being criticised for?

Not always. I've seen some ridiculous criticism of Obama here too. (for example, I think we had an entire topic of whining about how he was talking to foreign leaders before taking the oath of office. And mroe than one topic about how he spoke at a farewell party where some guy who doesn't like Israel was also in attendance.)

The bottom line is, there are a lot of people on both sides who like to bitch and complain about how one candidate is supported more here than the other. The fact is that it's not true. The only bias on this forum is in the eye of the beholder. It gets a little old listening to "Waaaah my candidate gets treated badly here."

There was a time when this forum was nothing but a string of anti-Obama topics (although msot were made by one person, many people agreed with them.) As for Palin being criticized now, I'll ask you to look through this topic and see how many people are actually doing that. Very few. I see far more instances of people whining about perception of her being attacked than actual attacks.

People need to grow thicker skin, seriously. The goddamn election is over people. If your favorite candidate is being attacked, defend them. whining is pathetic. And keep in mind that many of the vocal Obama haters have since been banned, and not for their hate of Obama but because they acted like juvenile little asshats. I'll remind everyone that the lead moderator, Dawno, is a self-admitted conservative, so I hardly beleive she has a bias in support of Obama. (In fact, she's been remarkably neutral throughout all of this and should be commended for it.)

cethklein

11-23-2008, 05:19 PM

Being a middle aged, white woman you can criticize her without being labeled a bigot?

This is what I'm talking about. Has anyone seen Mr. Toy called a bigot for his constant attacks on Obama? I haven't.

dmytryp

11-23-2008, 05:55 PM

Not always. I've seen some ridiculous criticism of Obama here too. (for example, I think we had an entire topic of whining about how he was talking to foreign leaders before taking the oath of office. And mroe than one topic about how he spoke at a farewell party where some guy who doesn't like Israel was also in attendance.)

The bottom line is, there are a lot of people on both sides who like to bitch and complain about how one candidate is supported more here than the other. The fact is that it's not true. The only bias on this forum is in the eye of the beholder. It gets a little old listening to "Waaaah my candidate gets treated badly here."

There was a time when this forum was nothing but a string of anti-Obama topics (although msot were made by one person, many people agreed with them.) As for Palin being criticized now, I'll ask you to look through this topic and see how many people are actually doing that. Very few. I see far more instances of people whining about perception of her being attacked than actual attacks.

People need to grow thicker skin, seriously. The goddamn election is over people. If your favorite candidate is being attacked, defend them. whining is pathetic. And keep in mind that many of the vocal Obama haters have since been banned, and not for their hate of Obama but because they acted like juvenile little asshats. I'll remind everyone that the lead moderator, Dawno, is a self-admitted conservative, so I hardly beleive she has a bias in support of Obama. (In fact, she's been remarkably neutral throughout all of this and should be commended for it.)
Maybe you are right, though I think the things you listed are hardly comparable. There is a big difference between not giving something enough weight to influence your choice and things that are completely irrelevant (like this thread for example). Ultimately, I think it is somewhat indicative of the media coverage and I find this (http://www.zogby.com/news/wf-dfs.pdf) scary (http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8). Now, you may say the questions are slanted, the guy that ordered the poll is a right wing hack, McCain voters would fare no better. And maybe you are right. And if they indeed fare no better, this is for me even scarier and goes to show how non-representative of general public AW really is. The fact that over 50% didn't know what party controlled Congress, but almost 90% knew which candidate had a pregnant teenage daughter and how much her party spent on her clothes... just :Shrug:
Zogby Poll

512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points
97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates
Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions
57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
71.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).
And yet.....
Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.
Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we "gave" one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)

cethklein

11-23-2008, 06:58 PM

Yeah but let's be honest, how many people here actually went along with those stupid arguments about her pregnant daughter or the clothes? (Yes, certain individuals here would have you believe that ALL Obama supporters did, but in the world of facts, that's anything but true.)

As for the Zogby poll, yes it's very disturbing. Although I'd like to see one where they ask how many McCain supporters believed Obama was an Arab, a Muslim, a member of al-Qaeda, not born in the US, etc. I'd wager those results would be equally disturbing.

This country has a large population of morons who lend credence to the old adage about ignorance being bliss. That's not speculation, it's a fact. Hell I know many (including some college educated) people who to this day believe Obama is a Muslim AND an Arab AND that by being elected, he'll "let all his fellow Muslims into the US to attack us". (no lie, a woman I know said that verbatim just last week.)

dmytryp

11-23-2008, 11:13 PM

Yeah but let's be honest, how many people here actually went along with those stupid arguments about her pregnant daughter or the clothes? (Yes, certain individuals here would have you believe that ALL Obama supporters did, but in the world of facts, that's anything but true.)
More than one, less than all?

As for the Zogby poll, yes it's very disturbing. Although I'd like to see one where they ask how many McCain supporters believed Obama was an Arab, a Muslim, a member of al-Qaeda, not born in the US, etc. I'd wager those results would be equally disturbing.
You must have missed this
And if they indeed fare no better, this is for me even scarier and goes to show how non-representative of general public AW really is.
And actually, it has less to do with people being morons, but more with what is trumpeted through the media, thus leaving a more lasting impression (what people did know was just as important as what they didn't)