McCain's Speech

[benbradley]

He's barely started and still getting over the thank-yous, but NEWS FLASH it look like he's going to accept the nomination!

But really, I just wanted to be the on to start this thread. :)

[katiemac]

I'm glad they changed the green background. Blue suits him much better. :)

[StoryG27]

I'm liking it so far.

Surprise, surprise, as I am a huge McCain supporter.

:D

*ETA: When did all this booing catch on? It's too theatrical and annoys me. Clap, whistle yell when happpy. And mutter under your breath like the rest of us when we don't like something. . .It's not a sporting event. Sorry, mini rant over. . .for now :D *

[maestrowork]

I hate booing as well. It's just not respectful. I prefer farting and hissing.

[Shadow_Ferret]

I'm enjoying myself by poking fun at the geeks in the audience.

[astonwest]

Unfortunately, I've missed most of it posting on here, so will need to go find a transcript tomorrow...

The tidbits I've caught from time to time have been good ones...seems like he's bringing up a few more issues, which is what the Presidential candidate should (not as much for the VP).

[StoryG27]

I actually got a bit emotional when he was talking about war. He knows what it is like. I do not doubt his loyalty to his country, to those who live here, to those who serve it. That is why I trust him to be my husband's commander and chief, and that is a simple as my choice gets. Attack it or don't, but that's what it boiled down to for me.

[astonwest]

I'm enjoying myself by poking fun at the geeks in the audience.I'm not sure why they do the random cuts to the crowd...well, not so random sometimes. They've done a cut to McCain's mother (I think) a number of times. Last night, they kept cutting to Palin's young daughter holding Palin's infant son.

Not sure why...

[ColoradoGuy]

Not sure why...

Surely you're joking.

[astonwest]

His personal story about being a POW is very moving...

[maestrowork]

His POW story is the kicker. Now that's an experience.

[astonwest]

Surely you're joking.Nope. Maybe I'm just naive.

[maestrowork]

Nope. Maybe I'm just naive.

A little. They didn't keep cutting to her husband, or other children. But that particular one, the one with the Down Syndrome.

On the other hand, he is her son. It's the heartstring thing. That's all.

[Bravo]

he's doing really well.

[maestrowork]

My prediction, after this:

Obama v. McCain

Again, a dead heat. It's back to the swing votes, folks.

[kristie911]

McCain has admitted in the past that he isn't the greatest speaker but so far I'm really enjoying his speech. The POW experience was very moving...I'm sure it can't be easy to talk about but he does it with great pride and I'm impressed. I think he's representing his party well. He comes across as very sincere, even if he doesn't possess the charisma of Obama. Charisma might be interesting to watch but it doesn't get my vote.

McCain has my vote.

[Shadow_Ferret]

OK, that stand up stand up stand up thing gave me flashbacks to Hitler. I don't know why. The cadence or something about it. (I am not COMPARING him, so please, don't misunderstand).

[kristie911]

Just a side note: I hope I look as good at 96 as McCain's mother does. She's fantastic! :)

[rugcat]

I’m surprised anyone could hear him, seeing as he was wrapped in the flag so tightly.

But I thought he gave a good speech. Very down to earth, very much projecting the image of himself as a commonsense, no nonsense guy. His delivery wasn’t great, but it didn’t need to be -- the fact that he’s not eloquent just reinforces his persona as a regular guy.

His acknowledgment of Obama was brilliant -- it reinforced his image and was classy, no doubt. Although his comment later about how he has scars and Obama does not kind of undercut that.

He handled the code pink protester with grace and humor – every time one of those women shows up, an extra thousand votes go to the person they’re protesting. How stupid can you be?

The retelling of his POW story, though familiar, was particularly effective, esp in the way he owned up to his own failings before that, and emphasized how it changed him. He’s going to be a tough candidate.

Cindy, however, seemed as artificial as Nutrasweet.

The crowd, however, was something else. Their constant chants of USA! USA! was very offputting to me. This did not seem to me to be an expression of love of country – it seemed to me to carry the message saying, “We are the real America.”

Before anyone jumps on me, I admit that’s a purely subjective reaction.

One amusing bit – McCain said something about Sarah Palin being a woman who has worked with her hands and knows how to get things done. But he paused a moment after the word “knows,” so what I heard was “a woman who has worked with her hands and nose.”

I see no chance of our nation coming together any time soon though. Many, I’m sure, found the whole convention and speech inspiring. I found it more disturbing, and it reminded me just how far I am politically and emotionally from the people there. Just the way that others, I’m sure, felt about the Dem convention.

[kristie911]

One amusing bit – McCain said something about Sarah Palin being a woman who has worked with her hands and knows how to get things done. But he paused a moment after the word “knows,” so what I heard was “a woman who has worked with her hands and nose.”


I heard the same thing and it made me laugh. :roll:

[StoryG27]

Well, I am totally for McCain, and I thought this was a brilliant, inspiring, and powerful speech, especially the last half. I am proud to support him.

[Shadow_Ferret]

Uh-oh. They're playing Heart. Is McCain going to get another letter?

And I agree, the USA USA thing bothers me.

[astonwest]

Cindy, however, seemed as artificial as Nutrasweet.Good thing we're not voting for her. :)

[benbradley]

I hate booing as well. It's just not respectful. I prefer farting and hissing.
Apparently they thought it would be over the top to fill the audience with flatulent lawyers...
I actually got a bit emotional when he was talking about war. He knows what it is like. I do not doubt his loyalty to his country, to those who live here, to those who serve it. That is why I trust him to be my husband's commander and chief, and that is a simple as my choice gets. Attack it or don't, but that's what it boiled down to for me.

His personal story about being a POW is very moving...

His POW story is the kicker. Now that's an experience.
I agree, I "heard" the whole thing but through much of it I was paying more attention to what I was reading on this and another forum. But the POW story got my attention, especially the other prisoners feeding him, saying they saved his life, was indeed a powerful story.

[maestrowork]

As an independent, I've watched both conventions and listened to both candidates' speeches. They both have their strengths. McCain's speech was very moving and solid. Obama's was very inspirational and he's a better speaker. I love the fact that either way we're making history -- either an African-American President or a woman VP.

Like I said, I like McCain and Obama both, and I think a lot of people feel that way, especially in the middle. I don't buy into the Obama worship, and I still don't think McCain is a maverick. But what I get from this is that both are good guys, and in a very strange way, I feel that either one would make a good run, and certainly better than what we had with GWB. So, I'm confident that the country will be back on track again, with a better leadership.

I know whom I will be voting for. But just wanted to say I'm impressed with both Obama and McCain, even if I don't necessarily agree with their policies.

(I still look at Palin with extreme prejudice, but that's just me)

[katiemac]

It was a good speech, but it's clear he's not as prolific a speaker as Palin or Obama. But that's okay.

I'm really glad he spoke about his war experience. It's something I've wanted to know more about, and I'm glad it came from him.

[katiemac]

As an independent, I've watched both conventions and listened to both candidates' speeches. They both have their strength. Like I said, I like them both. I don't buy into the Obama worship, and I still don't think McCain is a maverick. But what I get from this is that both are good guys, and in a very strange way, I feel that either one would make a good run, and certainly better than what we had with GWB. So, I'm confident that the country will be back on track again, with a better leadership.

I know whom I will be voting for. But just wanted to say I'm impressed with both Obama and McCain, even if I don't necessarily agree with their policies.

Agreed.

[astonwest]

Some MSNBC reporter is getting swamped by a balloon drop while on camera. That's just bizarre...

[StoryG27]

It was a good speech, but it's clear he's not as prolific a speaker as Palin or Obama. But that's okay.

I'm really glad he spoke about his war experience. It's something I've wanted to know more about, and I'm glad it came from him.
I was really glad he opened up that part of his life. I read a book from one of the people in the cell he credits for saving his life, Colonel Bud Day, and Bud couldn't use his hands, but could use his arms, and McCain could use his hands, but not his arms, so they helped take care of each other, and the other man in there was much healthier and did a lot for both of them.

Bud Day talked about how he was so worried he was crippled for life and Bud would have McCain try to straighten out Bud's fisted fingers but Bud still couldn't move them on his own. One day, while McCain was helping him out, he was finally able to wiggle one finger. McCain wept. He was so happy about Bud having movement in one finger that he actually wept. To me, that this cocky pilot (according to Bud, McCain was quite rebellious toward guards, guards who he knew damn well would torture him) this young man who withstood torture and sickness, that he actually broke down and wept over the small victory of a fellow soldier was a huge testament to his character, even back then. They were separated shortly after, but remain friends to this day.

Anyway, later he was quoted as hating talking about his POW experience, and I'm sure he had his reasons, but I was glad to hear him talk about it.

[robeiae]

I heard the same thing and it made me laugh. :roll:
Ditto. In fact, I snorted coke soda pop out of my nose when he said it.

As to the speech...eh.

For McCain, I guess it was good.

I did like the end bit, however. While I think the POW thing is overplayed, I thought it was good that he fleshed it out fully and linked it to his platform and who he is, whether everyone believes him or not.

[StoryG27]

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I did like the end bit, however. While I think the POW thing is overplayed, I thought it was good that he fleshed it out fully and linked it to his platform and who he is, whether everyone believes him or not.
POW thing is overplayed?! Wow, I hope you have a full understanding of what he endured behind that statement. No, actually, I hope you don't. Like his politics or not, no one should detract what he sacrificed, what he gave, and the honor with which he did it. IMO, it is not overplayed, but understated because it is something none of us could ever truly understand. I wish everyone who had endured what he has could receive a standing ovation, could receive the praise they so deserve.

[rugcat]

POW thing is overplayed?! Wow, I hope you have a full understanding of what he endured behind that statement. When it reaches the point of being referred to no matter what the question, then it could be said to be overplayed.

[Shadow_Ferret]

...Colonel Bud Day...
If that's not a made up name. Bud Day? Budday. Buddy.

And I get it. He was a POW. Lived in a box. Tortured. We get it.

And I appreciate the sacrifice he made. As a fellow vet, I really do appreciate it.

But let's not use it as the POW card, pulling it out everytime he wants cheap applause or wants to prove how experienced he is.

[Inky]

McCain has admitted in the past that he isn't the greatest speaker but so far I'm really enjoying his speech. The POW experience was very moving...I'm sure it can't be easy to talk about but he does it with great pride and I'm impressed. I think he's representing his party well. He comes across as very sincere, even if he doesn't possess the charisma of Obama. Charisma might be interesting to watch but it doesn't get my vote.

McCain has my vote.
I missed the speech--perhaps it can be located online...will search after getting kids ready for school...but wanted to comment on charisma.

Charisma terrifies me. It's the stuff that makes people follow in large packs, myself included, only to discover you were bushwacked/blindsided...whatever you wanna call it. Now I stand back, once bitten, twice shy towards those possessing that charisma stuff, suspicious of their true ajenda.

At the end of the day, I just hope that whichever candidate wins, they do a better job when it comes to doling out billions to other countries before fixing our own--can you imagine what a billion dollars would do for New Orleans? Education? Medical? Homeless? Habitat for Humanity? List is endless...instead, we send it everywhere around the world BUT our own country.
And this war. Gads...how are we ever going to get out of this war? Is there really an end in sight? I'd have high regard if one of them would just admit: We're in a real pisser, folks. See THAT'S honesty in its barest form--that's respectul...real talk...real people. I know...and then we followed the yellow brick road...I'm just saying it would be refreshing to see a leader as frustrated as the people with all that's going on.

[Haggis]

When it reaches the point of being referred to no matter what the question, then it could be said to be overplayed.

Kinda like the "agreed with Bush 90% if the time" thingy all the dems are tossing about, over and over and over?

[Shadow_Ferret]

Kinda like the "agreed with Bush 90% if the time" thingy all the dems are tossing about, over and over and over?
No! It isn't like that at all.

That's already been overplayed ad nauseum.

[maestrowork]

I agree with storygirl and rugcat both... (I'm such a people pleaser). I think the POW story is very much worth telling. It's moving, inspiring, and tells us who McCain was/is. But like rugcat said, when everything is tied back to that -- "Will he be a good President? Of course, he was a POW." "Will be lead our country through dark times? Of course, he was a POW." "Will he fix our energy crisis? Of course, he was a POW." .... then it becomes overplayed.

He's absolutely an outstanding citizen and a good soldier and a patriot. No question about it. But being a POW shouldn't be all he is about and answer.

[billythrilly7th]

A much as I wanted to, prepared to, decided to and was set on voting for Obama, I just don't think I can vote now or ever for the same person the disrespectful fucking lunatics, who wouldn't let a man of such accomplishment and heroism speak and accept his nomination of his party, are voting for.

I just don't think I can do it.

They are just disgraceful human beings.

Good job, McCain. You aren't the oratorator that Palin and Obama are, but you have a sincerity and grace that even the most blind can see.

[rugcat]

Kinda like the "agreed with Bush 90% if the time" thingy all the dems are tossing about, over and over and over?Well, that's annoying, but not comparable. McCain's voting record is relevant in trying to figure out what programs he will be pushing.

His POW experience is relevant to questions of his character, but not when the question is what he would do with social security, for example.

[StoryG27]

He doesn't pull it all the time. And I don't think you do get it. Over 5 years. I don't think there are many people who could withstand the same torture and remain true to core values. Tortured to the point where you laying in a puddle of your piss, shit, and blood, and you still have the nerve to look up at your captures and tell them to F*ck off. That's a long time to hold true. And clapping for the sacrifice those men made, all of them, is not cheap applause, it will never be considered that to me. It's late and it's about time and it is anything but cheap. What he went through with other prisoners, just to say the pledge of allegiance, we won't ever understand it, we take it for granted. And applauding someone who was willing to do what those men did will always get my respect and applause, and I, at least, won't ever consider it a cheap ploy.

[robeiae]

POW thing is overplayed?!
Yes, it is. And what I mean by that is that it is brought up too often. You'll note that I didn't say McCain is overplaying it. But it gets mentioned by others All. The. Time. Kinda like Kerry being a Vietnam Vet.

And that's too bad, imo, because what he went through is definitely something that can't be minimized. But I'm not minimizing it. I'm saying that it shouldn't be a part of every story about John McCain. Because when that starts to happen, it begins to be more mundane imo, when it is anything but mundane.

[billythrilly7th]

If everyone voted for "WHO DESERVES TO BE PRESIDENT," which they shouldn't(may a small factor, a tie breaker if you will) then obviously McCain wins in a landslide.

I'm glad to hear him talk about his story.

It's not exploitive or over the top. And he mentioned the part he wasn't proud of.

It's his story. And the American people deserve to hear it and make up their own mind.

Even if he didn't have that harrowing story, his record is one of great accomplishment and leadership.

If it weren't for the fact that the country is weary, McCain would win in a landslide.

If he had gone up against Gore, there would have been no disputed Florida.

But the country is Bush weary. And Bush is Republican.

And change from SOMEONE is the air people want to breathe. Right, left or wrong.

And time will tell who the choice to deliver it will be.

Great election.

One for the ages.

I'm glad to be alive to see it.

Thank you and may god bless you, and storygirl and Palin, my two Republican dreamgirls, and may god bless America.

[StoryG27]

Rob, Since the topic is McCain's speech, I assumed that's what you were referring to, I shouldn't have assumed.

[katiemac]

A much as I wanted to, prepared to, decided to and was set on voting for Obama, I just don't think I can vote now or ever for the same person the disrespectful fucking lunatics, who wouldn't let a man of such accomplishment and heroism speak and accept his nomination of his party, are voting for.

I agree it's unfortunate someone was able to disrupt McCain's speech. Very disrespectful. I did think he handled himslef well and turned the attention back where it belonged rather quickly.

Still, I don't think Obama would agree with what those individuals did, nor would I think McCain would agree with them had someone disrupted Obama.

[Robert Toy]

IMHO, the constant telling of McCain’s Vietnam experience, or “story” if you insist, as a view into the window his character, is as valid as the stories of Obama’s childhood experiences, as a mixed race child being raised by a single parent.

The adversity each experienced was equally profound in shaping who they are today.

They are not comparable on a one-on-one basis, nor should they ever be compared.

Oh yes, before anyone jumps on me, I am not saying anyone on AW made a comparison.

[maestrowork]

Yes, it is. And what I mean by that is that it is brought up too often. You'll note that I didn't say McCain is overplaying it. But it gets mentioned by others All. The. Time. Kinda like Kerry being a Vietnam Vet.

Or like how Ray is so good looking. It gets mundane real fast. ;)

[maestrowork]

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Still, I don't think Obama would agree with what those individuals did, nor would I think McCain would agree with them had someone disrupted Obama.

It is disrespectful, but I agree that I think to say "I can't vote for X because some asshole is voting for him" would be rather reactional. And I would agree with Katie that Obama would not agree with those assholes. If anything, I think Obama shows McCain genuine respect and I think his supporters should follow his example.

Besides, I don't know if that person is voting for Obama anyway.

[ColoradoGuy]

Besides, I don't know if that person is voting for Obama anyway.
Yeah--for one thing, all those Ron Paul folks are probably still hanging around the Twin Cities.

[maestrowork]

McCain still has a lot of detractors in the Republican party. I think it's a weird thing to conclude that the ass was an Obama supporter.

[Shweta]

I don't think the "voted with Bush 90% of the time" thing should be used to avoid actual questions about why the dems disagree with actual McCain policies. I don't think the "He was a POW" thing should be used to avoid actual questions about what McCain meant and would do as president.

When one or the other happens, I think the line is overplayed.

A much as I wanted to, prepared to, decided to and was set on voting for Obama, I just don't think I can vote now or ever for the same person the disrespectful fucking lunatics, who wouldn't let a man of such accomplishment and heroism speak and accept his nomination of his party, are voting for.

Unfortunately, that means you can't vote for anyone really. Because the disrespectful fucking lunatics exist on every side of every issue, and vote for every possible candidate.

Yeah--for one thing, all those Ron Paul folks are probably still hanging around the Twin Cities.

And Ron Paul said his floor access to the convention was limited, which seems to have made his supporters quite angry.


On the other hand, the men themselves both said they respect one another while disagreeing majorly. That, I can respect :)

If everyone voted for "WHO DESERVES TO BE PRESIDENT," which they shouldn't(may a small factor, a tie breaker if you will) then obviously McCain wins in a landslide.

Hopefully we're voting for "Who will do the best job as president". It isn't a prize, it's a job.
I'm glad to hear him talk about his story.

Me too. It really explains where he's coming from, and gives me sympathy for that, even if I cannot agree with where he's going.

Having said that, I'm really not clear on his positions, still. His "lower taxes where possible" line seems really vague, and for the rest of it... I just dunno. His records's impressive of course, except for... well... that 90% voting with Bush thing. Which has gone up higher than 90% in the last couple years. Maybe that's just politics -- he voted for Bush so he could get the nomination? But that's not a good thing if so, though better than if he agrees with Bush on almost everything.

Can anyone tell me what he specifically said that makes him good for the job?

[althrasher]

I'm watching it now. I wish they'd get over the frantic "USA" chants.

Have you noticed that McCain and Palin couldn't get the crowd to be quiet to start their speeches? Just an observation.

[althrasher]

Random point: raising money for the "mentally and physically disabled."

Not a bust on McCain--do speechwriters not know how important person-first language is when you're talking about people with disabilities?

/endrant

[Jimmyboy1]

Some mentioned McCain's constant holding and turning his wedding ring during Satah's speech. I've been thinking about that and I think I know why he does it.

It might be a Bod Dole thing, with the pen in his right hand. I know JM had bad arm or shoulder injuries while he was a prisoner, and he also has very short arms in general. Either way, he's self conscious. We all don't have perfect bodies, especially when they've been broken apart.

[Shweta]

Some mentioned McCain's constant holding and turning his wedding ring during Satah's speech. I've been thinking about that and I think I know why he does it.

It might be a Bod Dole thing, with the pen in his right hand. I know JM had bad arm or shoulder injuries while he was a prisoner, and he also has very short arms in general. Either way, he's self conscious. We all don't have perfect bodies, especially when they've been broken apart.

That's a really interesting hypothesis.
Easily checked, too :)
If you're right, he'll be fiddling with that ring most of the time. I think this is quite possible. I fiddle with mine anytime I'm wearing it.

And personally, I hope we can prove you right. It'd make me feel better. We really don't need yet more philandering and/or sexual harrassment around Washington.

[katiemac]

Some mentioned McCain's constant holding and turning his wedding ring during Satah's speech. I've been thinking about that and I think I know why he does it.

What, what'd I miss? Where is this coming from?

[Robert Toy]

What, what'd I miss? Where is this coming from?
Reverse baseball...a line drive from left field.

[katiemac]

Reverse baseball...a line drive from left field.

Well, I'd be surprised if McCain's camp were commenting on it. But then, politics never cease to amaze me.

Anyone got a link?

ETA: All I'm pulling up so far are bloggers.

[billythrilly7th]

I'm watching it now. I wish they'd get over the frantic "USA" chants.

They only chant "USA" when mutant San Francisco escapes refuse to allow someone to say their piece.




Side Note:

Cindy McCain's speech.

I don't know if anyone saw this or felt the almost heart attack I had when Cindy was talking about Palin. The emotion was building as the description was building...

"She's a hunting, salmon fishing, pistol packing, mother.....

.....of five."

I could have sworn for a Phelpsian victory nanosecond of time that Cindy was about to say.. "pistol packing motherfucker..."

My heart jumped for a moment.

Thank you.

[althrasher]

It's probably just to fidget with something. It's a little irritating when every action is the most sinister way possible.

Just finished watching his speech. Some aspects of it were very good: talking about his experience as a POW seemed quite genuine.

Even though I disagree with most of his platforms, I will say that's probably the most competent I've seen him.

[althrasher]

They only chant "USA" when mutant San Francisco escapes refuse to allow someone to say their piece.



No, they definitely said it a lot at the beginning.

That lady was so ridiculous. Honestly, what do people like that think they accomplish other than being completely disrespectful?

[Robert Toy]

Well, I'd be surprised if McCain's camp were commenting on it. But then, politics never cease to amaze me.

Anyone got a link?

ETA: All I'm pulling up so far are bloggers.
It filed between , “The dingo ate my baby”, “Elvis spotted at the DNC”

[Shweta]

It filed between , “The dingo ate my baby”, “Elvis spotted at the DNC”

I have seen camera footage of him fiddling with his ring around Palin, but I haven't really seen him much in neutral contexts. I, too, would guess (and hope) that it's a neutral fidget, and would really like to see confirming evidence :)

[Robert Toy]

I have seen camera footage of him fiddling with his ring around Palin, but I haven't really seen him much in neutral contexts. I, too, would guess (and hope) that it's a neutral fidget, and would really like to see confirming evidence :)
In the meantime, let's go with the shitty rumor? Nice

ETA: Oooh, oooh, did anyone notice how Obama is always touching the females around him?

*Damn you Toy, how dare you say such things...disgusting.*

[Shweta]

In the meantime, let's go with the shitty rumor? Nice

Excuse me?
The rumor exists with no action from me. What little data I have does not disprove it. I certainly haven't claimed that what little data I have proves it. What it does show is that the rumor is coming from somewhere besides Just-plain-making-shit-up-ville. (like, say, the muslim-non-american rumor).

I would like to see it disproven. I would like to see it go away. I don't see how it will unless we can show it's false.

How exactly is that "go with the shitty rumor?

[Robert Toy]

You just explained it.

"I don't see how it will unless we can show it's false."

The friggin imperial we again. Don’t you see a problem with assuming the worst, and that proof is needed to overturn that worst assumption?

Check my ETA: There is ample “proof” that Obama has a habit of touching women…does it have to have a sinister meaning? Not unless one chooses to assign one, no?

[Inky]

In the meantime, let's go with the shitty rumor? Nice

ETA: Oooh, oooh, did anyone notice how Obama is always touching the females around him?

*Damn you Toy, how dare you say such things...disgusting.*
Okay, but he DID (Obama) 'bout kiss the face off of Biden's wife...I was like, 'Damn, man, you tryin' to see what she had for lunch?'

[Robert Toy]

Okay, but he DID (Obama) 'bout kiss the face off of Biden's wife...I was like, 'Damn, man, you tryin' to see what she had for lunch?'
He sure did play touchy feely with Hillary and Andrea Merkel as well.

[Inky]

Blech!
I'd have knocked him on his ass--natural reaction towards gropers/lip suckers.
Headlines would have screamed accusations that I was racist AND a prude...so wrong on so many different levels...then they would have dissected my background...:e2brows:

I don't care WHAT you've elected my husband to be...keep your mouth on your OWN wife, thank you very much! *searches internet for mouth-bleach...and an Oval Office prenup*

[Robert Toy]

I'm watching it now. I wish they'd get over the frantic "USA" chants.

Have you noticed that McCain and Palin couldn't get the crowd to be quiet to start their speeches? Just an observation.
Apparently the 'U.S.A.' chant was used to drown out protesters

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/04/usa-chant-is-code-to-drown-out-protesters/

[whistlelock]

Meanwhile...back to McCain's speech.

I thought it was good. Serviceable even. But not great. And it needed to be great. He hit some talking points about what he'd do as President but not really enough for me. His POW story is good, it always has been. but, I hope they don't run it into the ground.

Where he really didn't deliver is on the emotional punch lines. His delivery of lines like, "I will work for you" sounded too rehearsed, to pat with his understate delivery. And, really it needed a strong almost over stated delivery.

And, while I feel that Palin's delivery was far better (I think she outshined him on delivery) I do find McCain to be more realistic. Especially the line that I believe to be non-scripted, most sincere, and quite possibly his finest moment- "Americans want us to stop shouting at each other."

If I have to put up with another 4 years of conservative policies, I want the man who said that line to be in charge. That guy. Not the warrior McCain, not the Maverick, not the Reformer. The guy that implored his party to stop and listen to what she had to sayl. The guy that really believes in this country, believes in it like I do. Believes that it's okay when someone doesn't agree with you and you can still go home friends.

And that's why I think he makes a great Senator and has been of invaluable service to this country.

But.

But, I don't like the policies he'll enact as President. And, as much as I like and respect McCain I can't vote for him because of his policies.





The USA chants to cover the disrespectful protesters were REALLY annoying- both the chants and the protesters. That crap needs to stop.

[Robert Toy]

Meanwhile...back to McCain's speech.

I thought it was good. Serviceable even. But not great. And it needed to be great. He hit some talking points about what he'd do as President but not really enough for me. His POW story is good, it always has been. but, I hope they don't run it into the ground.

Where he really didn't deliver is on the emotional punch lines. His delivery of lines like, "I will work for you" sounded too rehearsed, to pat with his understate delivery. And, really it needed a strong almost over stated delivery.

And, while I feel that Palin's delivery was far better (I think she outshined him on delivery) I do find McCain to be more realistic. Especially the line that I believe to be non-scripted, most sincere, and quite possibly his finest moment- "Americans want us to stop shouting at each other."

If I have to put up with another 4 years of conservative policies, I want the man who said that line to be in charge. That guy. Not the warrior McCain, not the Maverick, not the Reformer. The guy that implored his party to stop and listen to what she had to sayl. The guy that really believes in this country, believes in it like I do. Believes that it's okay when someone doesn't agree with you and you can still go home friends.

And that's why I think he makes a great Senator and has been of invaluable service to this country.

But.

But, I don't like the policies he'll enact as President. And, as much as I like and respect McCain I can't vote for him because of his policies.





The USA chants to cover the disrespectful protesters were REALLY annoying- both the chants and the protesters. That crap needs to stop.
I agree with you 100%, but can I make one change to your post?

"But, I don't like the policies he'll he might enact as President.

[Robert Toy]

With of all the flaws, criticism and noisy rancor of the RNC fresh in mind, I tend to forget what the other guy actually said.

As an official elderly person (i.e. retired, collecting Social Security), the memory starts getting fuzzy for events separated by weeks..

Therefore, I find it beneficial and sometimes even necessary to go back and review what I thought, or wanted to hear.

So I went back and this time carefully listen to the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGsP8mnHsg

Yup, memory failed me again.

[C A Winters]

And personally, I hope we can prove you right. It'd make me feel better. We really don't need yet more philandering and/or sexual harrassment around Washington.

For what it's worth, I noticed the ring thing long before Palin came on the scene. I think possibly too, that it's a habit to detract from the obvious and he probably does it more under vast public scrutiny

[cethklein]

Some mentioned McCain's constant holding and turning his wedding ring during Satah's speech. I've been thinking about that and I think I know why he does it.

It might be a Bod Dole thing, with the pen in his right hand. I know JM had bad arm or shoulder injuries while he was a prisoner, and he also has very short arms in general. Either way, he's self conscious. We all don't have perfect bodies, especially when they've been broken apart.

To McCain's defense, that may not be true. I do that CONSTANTLY and have had no such injuries. I've been told it's due to me being anxious and feeling I have to constantly be moving, I can't sit still. McCain strikes me as being the same way. So it may jsut be natural.

Anyway, as for the speech itself, i thought it was terrific for the most part. He did a fantastic job. However I feel he made one near-fatal flaw, the comments praising Bush at the beginning. Yes I know he NEEDS to praise Bush, but he worded it wrong. He gave the Dems possibly the best sound bite they could have asked for. Also, when he DID finally call out his own party for their mistakes, I think he was too vague, it's like he did it but didn't want to (granted I giv him a pass on it because after all, he WAS at the GOP convention, kind of hard for anyone to attack people who have home field advantage)

My worry still remains thoug that he still doesn't get the economic and healthcare problems. Small government and free economies work when implemented properly (see: Reagan, for the most part) But we need to fix glaring problems right now first.

As for education, this is an area I agree with him 110%. So no real issue there. However, I will say that even I admit there is a major flaw in the idea of letting parents choose schools: Diversity. It's been shown that where this has been tried, it's lead to some pretty wide gaps in diversity in schools. I'm not sure if there is a work-around for this issue.

I think he'll get a boost though, even if it is short lived in fact I'd go as far as to say he'll get a big one. (Obama's boost has finally shown up, Gallup showed him I think seven points ahead yesterday). McCain has to find a way to keep momentum. He also still hasn't really resonated with independents I don't think. Praising Bush and bashing Obama won't get him that support. He HAS to stay on point and focus on issues.

In the meantime, let's go with the shitty rumor? Nice

ETA: Oooh, oooh, did anyone notice how Obama is always touching the females around him?

*Damn you Toy, how dare you say such things...disgusting.*

Ever stop and think you're taking this a bit too seriously? No one is bashing McCain for this, just commenting on it, so chill. For a guy who "isn't a McCain supporter" you sure go ballistic and snarky whenever you perceive an attack on him.

He sure did play touchy feely with Hillary and Andrea Merkel as well.

Wouldn't you?

[Robert Toy]

Ever stop and think you're taking this a bit too seriously? No one is bashing McCain for this, just commenting on it, so chill. For a guy who "isn't a McCain supporter" you sure go ballistic and snarky whenever you perceive an attack on him.



Wouldn't you?
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RT_2006/1014883_143_avatar.gif

[donroc]

I’m surprised anyone could hear him, seeing as he was wrapped in the flag so tightly.

But I thought he gave a good speech. Very down to earth, very much projecting the image of himself as a commonsense, no nonsense guy. His delivery wasn’t great, but it didn’t need to be -- the fact that he’s not eloquent just reinforces his persona as a regular guy.

His acknowledgment of Obama was brilliant -- it reinforced his image and was classy, no doubt. Although his comment later about how he has scars and Obama does not kind of undercut that.

He handled the code pink protester with grace and humor – every time one of those women shows up, an extra thousand votes go to the person they’re protesting. How stupid can you be?

The retelling of his POW story, though familiar, was particularly effective, esp in the way he owned up to his own failings before that, and emphasized how it changed him. He’s going to be a tough candidate.

Cindy, however, seemed as artificial as Nutrasweet.

The crowd, however, was something else. Their constant chants of USA! USA! was very offputting to me. This did not seem to me to be an expression of love of country – it seemed to me to carry the message saying, “We are the real America.”

Before anyone jumps on me, I admit that’s a purely subjective reaction.

One amusing bit – McCain said something about Sarah Palin being a woman who has worked with her hands and knows how to get things done. But he paused a moment after the word “knows,” so what I heard was “a woman who has worked with her hands and nose.”

I see no chance of our nation coming together any time soon though. Many, I’m sure, found the whole convention and speech inspiring. I found it more disturbing, and it reminded me just how far I am politically and emotionally from the people there. Just the way that others, I’m sure, felt about the Dem convention.

We caught the hands and nose too -- our laugh for the night.

[donroc]

To McCain's defense, that may not be true. I do that CONSTANTLY and have had no such injuries. I've been told it's due to me being anxious and feeling I have to constantly be moving, I can't sit still. McCain strikes me as being the same way. So it may jsut be natural.

Anyway, as for the speech itself, i thought it was terrific for the most part. He did a fantastic job. However I feel he made one near-fatal flaw, the comments praising Bush at the beginning. Yes I know he NEEDS to praise Bush, but he worded it wrong. He gave the Dems possibly the best sound bite they could have asked for. Also, when he DID finally call out his own party for their mistakes, I think he was too vague, it's like he did it but didn't want to (granted I giv him a pass on it because after all, he WAS at the GOP convention, kind of hard for anyone to attack people who have home field advantage)

My worry still remains thoug that he still doesn't get the economic and healthcare problems. Small government and free economies work when implemented properly (see: Reagan, for the most part) But we need to fix glaring problems right now first.

As for education, this is an area I agree with him 110%. So no real issue there. However, I will say that even I admit there is a major flaw in the idea of letting parents choose schools: Diversity. It's been shown that where this has been tried, it's lead to some pretty wide gaps in diversity in schools. I'm not sure if there is a work-around for this issue.

I think he'll get a boost though, even if it is short lived in fact I'd go as far as to say he'll get a big one. (Obama's boost has finally shown up, Gallup showed him I think seven points ahead yesterday). McCain has to find a way to keep momentum. He also still hasn't really resonated with independents I don't think. Praising Bush and bashing Obama won't get him that support. He HAS to stay on point and focus on issues.



Ever stop and think you're taking this a bit too seriously? No one is bashing McCain for this, just commenting on it, so chill. For a guy who "isn't a McCain supporter" you sure go ballistic and snarky whenever you perceive an attack on him.



Wouldn't you?

I am one of those who does not wear wedding ring or watch (the latter only on rare occasions -- cellular has the time anyway) because I fidget with both. Anything on my hand and wrist is annoying.

So, if I were running for office, you can bet THAT would become an issue -- "He must be a player" sort of crap.

[Don Allen]

I'm in a tough position with McCain who I truly admire and believe when it comes to his records and sincerity, But his speech was not what I wanted to hear... I know about his military service and I don't know how else to say this so to be blunt, "John, thankyou for your service, but you didn't say a goddamn thing about HOW you plan to fix the mess this country in enbroiled right now."
Points I don't even know what he was talking about. Does he want to eliminate unemployment and create a new plan that mandates you have some kind of job before his plan will kick in and pay you the difference between what your old job paid and the new one? Isthis what he said??? So if i'm a ceo making 100k and lose my job and take a walmart greeters position for minimum wage do I get the difference? Cause thats what it sounded like but I know that can't be true..

He said nothing about the economy, while Cindy rattled her 300,000 in jewelry from the rafters as he spoke. He said nothing about the housing crisis, nothing about all the jobs that have been lost and nothing about HOW he would pay for and accomplish the energy plans he laid out in the most generic terms possible.

He claimed a Win in the war when on the same day Bush's defense dept team scaled back their troop withdrawl predictions saying that the instability in Iraq is still a major concern and Afgan. is worse than ever. So that part rang real hollow with me. It's insane for anyone to claim a win in this part of the world, especially republicans when we know what happened to Bush on the aircraft carrier 6 years ago. Actually I think it's insane to claim that anything good has come out of a war that shouldn't have been waged and has claimed over 4000 american lives so that part rings hollow as well.

Overall I rate his speech a 10 for emotion and compelling service, and a 2 for actual substance, I've been branded as stupid in some of these threads so don't read to much into what I say....

[InfinityGoddess]

Overall I rate his speech a 10 for emotion and compelling service, and a 2 for actual substance, I've been branded as stupid in some of these threads so don't read to much into what I say....

I don't think that you're stupid. I quite agree with you. As compelling as a POW story is, I'd like to see what he would do as far as domestic policy and his foreign policy to be something beyond blowing people up that he doesn't like.

[Joe Unidos]

America is still wondering why the backdrop behind him was a photo of Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, California instead of Walter Reed Medical Center.

Idiots. Maybe Sarah "Six Colleges in Six Years" Palin was in charge of getting the photo.

[InfinityGoddess]

America is still wondering why the backdrop behind him was a photo of Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, California instead of Walter Reed Medical Center.

Idiots. Maybe Sarah "Six Colleges in Six Years" Palin was in charge of getting the photo.

I think they wanted to pretend that McCain has not been absent when it comes to veterans issues.

[maxmordon]

I am amazed nobody has commented on the "prefering to loose presidency than see his country to loose a war" comment. That one worries me

[Duncan J Macdonald]

I am amazed nobody has commented on the "prefering to loose presidency than see his country to loose a war" comment. That one worries me
It means that he has principles, and won't take the politically expedient course in violation of them.

[astonwest]

I guess no one here watched MSNBC coverage, because I would have figured there would be at least five pages on the flub Tom Ridge pulled in a post-convention interview, where he started out a line: "John...Bush" then corrected it to "John McCain."

There, that should give me a few hours while people banter on about that for the next five to ten pages.

:)

[robeiae]

Andrea Mitchell needs a handful of uppers, a cup of coffee, and an adrenaline shot.

[benbradley]

Uh-oh. They're playing Heart. Is McCain going to get another letter?

And I agree, the USA USA thing bothers me.
I knew I read someone referencing the "Barracuda" song. And yes, McCain got ANOTHER letter:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/05/mccain-palin-embrace-barracuda/

[whistlelock]

He's bad about that. Or at least, gets called out for it a lot.


However, I have been thinking about something over the content of his speech- McCain said that there had been too much ear marking going on, and he would veto any pork barrel bill that came across his desk.

AND that he would call them out, make sure the public knew who was misspending their money.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't a large percentage of the pork barreling done by the Republicans in the audience?

Yes, the democrats do it too and it needs to stop. However, my second question is this-

How hard is the Republican establisment going to campaign and support McCain? you know, the guy who just told them, "i'm gonna get you!"

[InfinityGoddess]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't a large percentage of the pork barreling done by the Republicans in the audience?

Yep.



How hard is the Republican establisment going to campaign and support McCain? you know, the guy who just told them, "i'm gonna get you!"

I stopped wondering a long time ago why they do what they do. Kinda like I stopped wondering why my family keeps voting against their own economic self-interests; they aren't rich, after all.

[Rolling Thunder]

How hard is the Republican establisment going to campaign and support McCain? you know, the guy who just told them, "i'm gonna get you!"

Interesting point. Being he's a 'maverick' and his VP is an 'outsider' they might just be outside their realm of influence when it comes to the DC machine. I don't see how McCain is going to be able to pull his agenda off.

[maestrowork]

But the "maverick" and "outsider" angle is not supposed to convince the core base. It's supposed to convince the moderates, the undecided -- "see, we're not like Bush. We're not like them." The base is covered by Sarah Palin's evangelical conservative positions, and McCain's "toughness on war" stance.

Brilliant, if you ask me.

[tomber]

Funniest bit: when he promised to end partisan division, not like that asshole Obama.

Is he too old to "get" irony?

[InfinityGoddess]

Funniest bit: when he promised to end partisan division, not like that asshole Obama.

Is he too old to "get" irony?

Apparently so, just like he forgot that Obama has worked with Republicans on legislation such as the one regarding nuclear proliferation.

[Captshady]

What politician hasn't made the promise of bipartisanship in the past 15 years? Much like Palestinians promising peace with Israel. Empty promises NO ONE has delivered on.

[clintl]

Andrea Mitchell needs a handful of uppers, a cup of coffee, and an adrenaline shot.

That's what marrying an economist will do to you.

[clintl]

What politician hasn't made the promise of bipartisanship in the past 15 years? Much like Palestinians promising peace with Israel. Empty promises NO ONE has delivered on.

Bill Clinton collaborated extensively with the Republicans on many issues.

[rugcat]

Bill Clinton collaborated extensively with the Republicans on many issues.I like your choice of verb.

[whistlelock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylSqFTVAdJs

The Daily Shows critique of McCain's speech and it similarities to another campaign speech.