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Do you ever get used to the rejection part of the business? Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the notes and I try to use the criticisms as a way to learn and grow. I do the mature thing and I look at their input as objectively as I can but sometimes the mature thing gets on my last nerve.

Okay, I feel better. Thanks for reading.

Vel.
 

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It's always disappointing but it certainly doesn't hurt me as much as it used to. These days, although I obviously care what the answer is, more often than not I just want to know. The rejection I can handle but the waiting gets me down.
 

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It depends upon your plans for your future in writing. I'm far too impatient for rejections. I went straight to the publishers. I thought agents just put another level of complexity in the process. Then when I'd been rejected twice by major publishers I sent my proposal to a smaller publisher and was accepted. I'm just not into rejection. Probably spoilt as a kid.
 

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After being accepted by a really bad company with two of my books and going through that hell, rejection doesn't really bother me. It's always disappointing, but it doesn't shatter my day or anything like that. I just scratch them off the list, see if there's any improvements I can make to the script, and move on. I'd much rather be rejected by a good company than accepted by a bad one that's a total waste of time. That level of broken hopes is far worse than any query letter or script read.
 

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My mom used to say, "Dear, you will grow with this rejection and the next, but you'll never fall to pieces over it, that takes far too much energy that you can use in being happy. Besides, what do you think spurs on the desire to succeed, but a good kick in the pants."

Course, I'm not sure this really applies to your scenario, but they are good words to live by. And come to think of it, she was referring to my dating outcomes when I was single... Hmm, all I can say is with writing... I've received so many kicks in the pants that I'm buttless and yet, I still carry on. :D
 

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Here's a pertinent article I wrote a while back:

'The first time someone rejects your work it really hurts. You can't
believe it. You think you were stupid to even try to be a writer.
But, because you have that obsessive thing inside you which drove
you to finish a script in the first place, eventually, whether it's
in the next hour, day, or month, you send something else out.

Unless you're incredibly lucky that gets rejected too. But it
doesn't hurt quite so much. The next few times it hurts less and
less until, when your skin is tougher, you'll send off a bit of
writing you really believe in.

When that gets rejected you won't be hurt, you'll be incredulous.
You know you're not being over emotional, because you've learned
rejection doesn't matter. You are incredulous because you know that
was good writing - how could they reject it?

Well, that feeling is a great sign. You are getting closer to the
truth.

Which is this: People bounce bad writing, of course they do - but
they also bounce good writing. And, really really truthfully,
people bounce GREAT writing. I've seen it happen over and over
again.

This can be because of one or a combination of any of the following
factors:

- The company isn't looking for that type of script at the moment;
- They know of a similar project in development elsewhere;
- You are hooked up with a producer or a director they don't want to
work with;
- Your script landed on the desk of a person who absolutely loved
it, but they have no power within the company;
- Your script ended up being read by someone with executive power
but no taste;
- On and on and on.

Just because your screenplay got bounced 50 times doesn't prove
it's a bad screenplay. It may be bad, of course it may - but it may
just not have found its home yet. Different people like very, very
different scripts, and very different writers.

In general, and this is wider advice, you must learn not to rely on
other people for assessing your writing. I'm deadly serious here.
If you rely on other people to tell you whether you have done
well you will never develop your own weather vane.

You have to be able to trust your own sensibility. You develop this
by reading, and watching. That is the other full time aspect of
this job that they never tell you about.

Watch a lot of movies, a lot of TV. If you've never been a big
reader, it's not too late - start now. Get onto
www.script-o-rama.com and check out what's there. See what you
think is good, what you think is bad. Notice the amazing diversity
of the form - and try to work out what the scripts of the movies
you like all have in common. (But I wouldn't spend so much
time reading scripts by your friends or your writing group or
writers who have never had anything made - sorry if that sounds
harsh, but you can learn some very bad habits that way.)

Read some of the classic novels - the Victorian novels that have
survived and made it into classics are written by brilliant story
tellers. You can learn a lot there about texture, narrative, and
how to hook an audience.

The other aspect of your weather vane is your own assessment of
your own writing. When I want to know if a script is any good, I
make sure I haven't read it, even glanced at it, for a month or so.
Then I sit down and read it through in one go. If I get to the end
and it lights me up just the same as it did when I had just
finished it, I know the writing is at least OK. If I find myself
looking out the window, or getting up and making lots of cups of
coffee, I know I have a problem. I scribble a line across the
script at the point where I got distracted. Whatever the problem
is, it happened just before there.

If you can develop your own writing weather vane it will sustain you
through the dark days, when you are being rewritten, or cut about
by script editors (which happens to everyone at some stage).

All you have in this business is your own taste and sensibility.
That's what makes your writing your own. It's what people hire you
for, and in the end it's what audiences respond to.

Never take rejection personally. You can't afford to take it
personally. A lot, lot worse will happen to you in the industry
than simple rejection!'

Hope it helps.

Phil
 

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Thanks for your input, Goldminer. Excellent post. Sincerely appreciate it.

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Frankly, yes. But it took me years before I adoted this attitude. After writing books for many years and having been fortunate to have had a number of them published, I came to the realization that many of these published (and successful) books had been rejected by numerous publishers along the way. That kind of put things in perspective, and still does. Am I glad to be rejected -- hell no, but I don't expect every publisher I query to want my work (even though I think they should). I'm not saying I'm glad to receive rejections, only that when I query a number of publishers I expect to get them, but I also "know" that there's a publisher out there that will want my work -- as idealistic or naive as that may sound. Rejections sure sting me a bit, but I don't let that bite the hell out of me. If I did, I'd be a basket case.
 

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Well, I'm proud to say I recieved my first rejection letter this weekend from a screenwriting competition. So now I know I'm "real writer."
 

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rihannsu,

Welcome to the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of the Struggling Screenwriters. You're in good company, my friend.

vel.
 

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My mom used to say, "Dear, you will grow with this rejection and the next, but you'll never fall to pieces over it, that takes far too much energy that you can use in being happy. Besides, what do you think spurs on the desire to succeed, but a good kick in the pants."

Your mama is a wise wise woman.

Grow from the rejection and move forward. Be persistent and don't give up. Perseverance is one of the keys to success.
 

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rihannsu,

Welcome to the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of the Struggling Screenwriters. You're in good company, my friend.

vel.


Thank you. Acutally, it's the first time I sent out a script, so getting it in the mail was a huge accomplishment in the first place.

I need to frame that letter so I can look on it when I get my first sale. :D
 

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Rejection isn't just reserved for writers.

The agent who rejects your script is trying to sell another and getting rejected.

The actor you try to attach to your project rejects it but has been rejected at hundreds of auditions and has missed out on getting that great role many times - regardless of his Hollywood stature.

The producer who rejects your script has plenty of screenplays in development, most of which will be rejected by studios and never come to fruition.

The studio mogul who dreams of Denzel Washington starring in his prestige drama gets rejected and must settle for Chiwelti Ejiofor.

The "A" list director makes a film that both critics and audiences reject.

The reader filtering scripts for that screenwriting contest that rejected you from advancing has a few scripts of his own that have been rejected.

All of the great filmmakers who have inspired you to write have been rejected hundreds of times for all sorts of reasons.

Rejection is part of the job description.


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I was watching an interview of Ron Howard and he said that he let his kids know when he gets rejections because he wanted them to know that even he still gets rejections. I think he probably wanted to prepare them for that in their lives. Rejections are just a part of life and once you get your project made, there will be people who won't like it so there never seems to be total acceptance.

At first I was more disappointed but as the time goes on, I still don't like them and never will, but it doesn't get to me as badly. I figure it is all about getting a tougher skin and preparing you for what is ahead and how to handle it with more grace.

My western script that I posted a few pages here made the quarter finals in the Page contest and I was thrilled. And even though I got an email saying I was the loser in a tie-breaker for the semi finals, I'm happy that I even made it that close and wasn't farther away. It is a very subjective business and I feel I just have to keep working on improving. So that's what I intend to do and persevere. Like the email said, this business isn't a sprint -- but a marathon.
 

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ahhhhhhhhhhh stealth66 misery Anne Wilks! God now I am scared. In regards to rejection good on you for making that first step! Velveeta I can tell you as an unexperienced writer that it has happened to me, but I think it gets easier, I noticed the mistakes I've made and keep trying

Hang in there!
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Goldminer - I wish I could have read an article like that years ago - would've saved me a lot of grief! Thanks for posting it now, though. It really does help! Oddly enough, I've gone back lately and read Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights, and Rebecca, just for inspiration. I'm contemplating writing a story of that sort but with older characters - sort of a Baby Boomer's Jane Eyre - anybody think that would sell?
 

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You know, I waited for so many years to submit anything due to the fear of rejection. I was convinced that nothing could be worse than someone else saying "No."

Now that it's happened, it was nowhere as bad as I'd feared it was. I just shrugged my shoulders, made a note to look over my script to see how to improve it, and kept going.
 

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You know, that comment about Ron Howard up there made me think - it's true that it's only recently I've opened up to my kids about the fact that I do get rejected and I don't get every job I go up for. And for those very reasons too - I think it's good to see that rejection doesn't kill you, is very much part of life, and, actually, really does make you stronger in the end.