ARE YOU UNDECIDED RE/WHICH CANDIDATE YOU'D VOTE FOR IN NOV, IF DEMS NOMINATE OBAMA?

[Upbeat]

Or, are you so dedicated - so locked in - to one party or another that you'll give no consideration to the opposition's candidate?
There are six more months to endure this campaign - time to do plenty of objective thoughtful no-spin research on the candidates.
The more voters who do this, the better chance we'll all have of the winner being the best person to serve as next Prez of the U.S.

[blacbird]

No.

caw

[Ol' Fashioned Girl]

Or do you believe it really doesn't matter who wins, 'cause they're all crooks?

[POPASMOKE]

Decided. Won't make a difference who gets the nomination.

[Andrew]

My decision was made thirty plus years ago.

[Duncan J Macdonald]

Or do you believe it really doesn't matter who wins, 'cause they're all crooks?
Or are they honest politicians? Do they stay bought?

[whistlelock]

Or, are you so dedicated - so locked in - to one party or another that you'll give no consideration to the opposition's candidate?

Honestly, once the republican candidate was chosen I read through his website- reading up on all the policies and such.

And, as McCain's small government and an unfettered free market are ideas that are in direct opposition to what I think it good and needful for the country I won't be voting for him.

[GeorgeK]

Actually yes. If Hilary gets the nod, I'll vote McCain. If Obama gets the nod, I might vote for Nader.

[mscelina]

Actually yes. If Hilary gets the nod, I'll vote McCain. If Obama gets the nod, I might vote for Nader.

That makes little sense.

Actually, that makes NO sense.

[poetinahat]

I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to read this thread other than as a McCain recruitment drive.

What say you, OP? Any chance you'd consider another candidate or party? What about if the Republican race were still open?

[GeorgeK]

That makes little sense.

Actually, that makes NO sense.

to you

[mscelina]

to you

I believe that was implied when I said it made no sense, although I'd wager that it won't make sense to other people as well. Why don't you try explaining it to a poor, stupid, independent moderate, hmm? How does it make sense to vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination and Nader if Obama does?

Why not just declare for McCain? Or Nader? If you're determined not to vote for a Democrat--and you obviously ARE determined not to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is--then I don't see how which one IS nominated would determine two different votes.

It STILL doesn't make one damn bit of sense.

[mscelina]

I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to read this thread other than as a McCain recruitment drive.



Hmmm...I see what you mean.

Uh.....no.

[GeorgeK]

I believe that was implied when I said it made no sense, although I'd wager that it won't make sense to other people as well. Why don't you try explaining it to a poor, stupid, independent moderate, hmm? How does it make sense to vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination and Nader if Obama does?

Why not just declare for McCain? Or Nader? If you're determined not to vote for a Democrat--and you obviously ARE determined not to vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is--then I don't see how which one IS nominated would determine two different votes.

It STILL doesn't make one damn bit of sense.

You could try simply asking why, politely.

[mscelina]

*shrug*

why bother?

You're entitled to do with your vote what you will. I'm entitled to my opinion of your stated purpose. I am curious to see how you could possibly justify this rationale, but not curious enough to go through some ridiculous ritual here.

And in the end, I'd say the same thing probably. I began with the assumption that you weren't one of those crazy people who would vote in order to cause damage to a party ("I'm going to vote for Ross Perot because he'll take votes away from the Republicans ha ha ha!" or, conversely, "I'm registering as a Democrat so that I can vote against Hillary in the primary tee hee hee!"). My bad, apparently.

Whatever floats your boat, dude. It still makes no sense.

[NikeeGoddess]

Whatever floats your boat, dude. It still makes no sense.it makes no sense!!! but making sense is not a requirement when it comes to voting but if you put you nonsense out there for all to see...

[johnnysannie]

Or, are you so dedicated - so locked in - to one party or another that you'll give no consideration to the opposition's candidate?
There are six more months to endure this campaign - time to do plenty of objective thoughtful no-spin research on the candidates.
The more voters who do this, the better chance we'll all have of the winner being the best person to serve as next Prez of the U.S.

If Obama gets the nomination, then obviously - as an Obama supporter - I'll vote for Obama.

If he doesn't, you can rest assured that I will not be voting for Senator McCain.

His term in office would just be a reprise of the Bush years, something to be avoided at all costs.

[Upbeat]

I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to read this thread other than as a McCain recruitment drive.

What say you, OP? Any chance you'd consider another candidate or party? What about if the Republican race were still open?

Any chance I'd consider...?" Absolutely - by researching nominees' records.
If Republican race still open? Following careful consideration based on researching Republican candidates' records, I voted for McCain.

[GeorgeK]

it makes no sense!!! but making sense is not a requirement when it comes to voting but if you put you nonsense out there for all to see...

It makes perfect sense when you understand the reasoning, but since the OP hasn't asked and the only comments have been pure ad hominem, I will assume that the start of the thread was more of a trolling, rather than a true inquiry.

[Celia Cyanide]

So the choices are

1) Being undecided if Obama is nominated

or

2) Being so dedicated, so locked in, to one party that we will give no consideration to the other party's candidate

I'm with blacbird on this, then. No. To both.

[donroc]

The party that is social liberal and hawkish on FP. Is there one????

[IdiotsRUs]

ARE YOU UNDECIDED RE/WHICH CANDIDATE YOU'D VOTE FOR IN NOV, IF DEMS NOMINATE OBAMA?

So, hang on. Obama is the bloke right? And Hilary is the chick? And the policies are.....whatever they think will get votes? ( cos they are policticians, so that's what they do)

Vote for the one who doesn't want to be in power. Then hope the power doesn't corrupt them tooo much.

[InfinityGoddess]

If Obama gets the nomination, then obviously - as an Obama supporter - I'll vote for Obama.

If he doesn't, you can rest assured that I will not be voting for Senator McCain.

His term in office would just be a reprise of the Bush years, something to be avoided at all costs.


Agreed with this. The Democrat gets my vote, no matter what.

[Stacia Kane]

Wow, I actually thought this was an interesting topic, since I wouldn't vote for Hillary but really like Obama...but seeing as how the topic has invited such derision...I guess I'll stay out of it.

[Tirjasdyn]

I'm voting libertarian.

[Shadow_Ferret]

I vote for the individual based on their credentials and merits and how closely they come to agreeing with my beliefs. At this point, I'm still weighing all the candidates abilities to be President.
Agreed with this. The Democrat gets my vote, no matter what.
No matter what.... :rolleyes:

[Upbeat]

Honestly, once the republican candidate was chosen I read through his website- reading up on all the policies and such.

And, as McCain's small government and an unfettered free market are ideas that are in direct opposition to what I think it good and needful for the country I won't be voting for him.

So, you're for big government which means higher taxes, and an unfettered free market, which means you're ignoring the obvious fact that the U.S. must compete in a global economy.
Personally I think lower taxes and the encouragement of competing in the global market are both good and needful for our country.

[InfinityGoddess]

No matter what.... :rolleyes:


Even if Hillary wins by coup de superdelegate, I'd still vote for her, because no way do I want McCain to be my President. I might hold my nose while doing it, though...

[mscelina]

So, you're for big government which means higher taxes, and an unfettered free market, which means you're ignoring the obvious fact that the U.S. must compete in a global economy.
Personally I think lower taxes and the encouragement of competing in the global market are both good and needful for our country.

and the agenda oozes out onto the forum...

[InfinityGoddess]

So, you're for big government which means higher taxes, and an unfettered free market, which means you're ignoring the obvious fact that the U.S. must compete in a global economy.
Personally I think lower taxes and the encouragement of competing in the global market are both good and needful for our country.

Actually, according to the libertarian think tank, the Cato Institute, government grows when one cuts taxes on the wealthy. Under Bush, our government has actually expanded, not shrunk. Basically what this means is that government shrinks when you raise taxes on the wealthy.

Secondly, while I don't disagree in "competing with the global market", I believe it can be done with regulation. No more trade agreements that leave workers and consumers in the dust, and everyone benefits, not just the multinational corporations.

[GeorgeK]

I'm voting libertarian.

I would too, except even they refuse to comment on their position regarding the National Animal Identification System. Ron Paul was the only one who would would even comment, yet alone campaign against it. You'd think the Libertarians would bring it up, but their silence is agreement with the system. The NAIS is another way for the corporations to take over.

[chartreuse]

McCain and Hillary will just give us more of the same great big stinking pile of crap we've been dealing with for years, and, more importantly, they will inspire Americans to live down to their lowest potential.

Obama, on the other hand, might just be able to provide us with some vision, and remind us what we're capable of. At this point in our story, that means everything. Other than the war on Iraq and getting us out ASAP, I don't agree with him on any of the issues - on most things he's not progressive enough and on the rest he's not conservative enough. But I don't agree with the other candidates on anything either, and Obama is the only candidate who seems to understand how desperately we need a change of consciousness.

[eldragon]

The democrat gets my vote.

[alleycat]

It doesn't matter to me which of the two Democrats gets the nomination. I'll either vote for McCain, or do what I've done for the past two elections: sit it out. I just can't vote for a Democrat for national office. Just my personal stand; I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone here to change their opinion.

By the way, I like it better when neither party has complete control (the presidency and both houses). Sometime that leads to stalemates, but it also helps to keep either party from doing something completely stupid (although they still have in the past).

[InfinityGoddess]

By the way, I like it better when neither party has complete control (the presidency and both houses). Sometime that leads to stalemates, but it also helps to keep either party from doing something completely stupid (although they still have in the past).

Stalemates are fine at times, but not when it happens all the time. I'd like to have a President and a Congress that comes to a consensus from time to time, as a opposed to a President that refuses to compromise and Congress having to cave on things that really turn out not to be really good ideas.

[Upbeat]

It doesn't matter to me which of the two Democrats gets the nomination. I'll either vote for McCain, or do what I've done for the past two elections: sit it out. I just can't vote for a Democrat for national office. Just my personal stand; I'm certainly not trying to convince anyone here to change their opinion.

By the way, I like it better when neither party has complete control (the presidency and both houses). Sometime that leads to stalemates, but it also helps to keep either party from doing something completely stupid (although they still have in the past).

Because "renegade' McCain is the best candidate to get things done that are important and good for our country, I will vote for him.
He's the only one who can bring opposing factions together. His Senate record is testimony to this.

[johnnysannie]

Because "renegade' McCain is the best candidate to get things done that are important and good for our country, I will vote for him.
He's the only one who can bring opposing factions together. His Senate record is testimony to this.

With all due respect for your staunch position, I completely disagree.

Thank God we're still a democracy and the people can vote.

IMO McCain as President would be the worst thing that could happen to our nation at the present time.

[LIVIN]

Actually yes. If Hilary gets the nod, I'll vote McCain. If Obama gets the nod, I might vote for Nader.

I can see the sense in this. It is possible that GeorgeK does not want Hillary to win, at any cost. Therefore, a vote for McCain is the most prudent vote, as it has power AGAINST Hillary. However, potentially, GeorgeK is not enamored by McCain and if he goes up against Obama, he doesn't mind much which of the two wins, so he will go with his true heart, which is Nader, and make an expression. He would not go with Nader if Hillary is running simply because he doesn't feel the comfort level to make his expression, since he sees the necessity to not have Hillary in office. I could be wrong, but it's perfectly simple to find sense in the above.

I, on the other hand, know exactly who I'm voting for.

[Upbeat]

With all due respect for your staunch position, I completely disagree.

Thank God we're still a democracy and the people can vote.

IMO McCain as President would be the worst thing that could happen to our nation at the present time.

Yes, "the people can vote". Many of them want less government control, lower taxes, and to cut wasteful government spending.
McCain has a clear Senate record of working for all that and more even as he has shown he can bring differing political factions together to ease the problems faced by our country.
You certainly have a right to vote for whomever you want.
Hopefully all who respect our freedom to vote WILL, before doing so, - go to the trouble of studying each candidate's Senate record.

[Little Red Barn]

I'm gonna have to 'mickey mouse' write it in... :sigh:

[SHBueche]

Decided, absolutely!

[Celia Cyanide]

Yes, "the people can vote". Many of them want less government control, lower taxes, and to cut wasteful government spending.

And many others feel more strongly about other issues, and may not feel McCain is the right candidate for them.

[Upbeat]

And many others feel more strongly about other issues, and may not feel McCain is the right candidate for them.

Whatever the issue, McCain is the only candidate with wisdom and experience enough to bring legislators together to do what is best for the country.

[poetinahat]

Yes, "the people can vote". Many of them want less government control, lower taxes, and to cut wasteful government spending.
Less government control: Like, say, the Patriot Act? Or do you mean less government control like, say, relaxing restrictions on strip mining in protected parklands?

Cutting wasteful government spending: Like, say, what is it now - $700 billion - on a disastrous war that was started on a specious pretext, and from which we can't get out? Or do you mean wasteful government spending like, say, national healthcare?

Just checking.

[Upbeat]

Less government control: Like, say, the Patriot Act? Or do you mean less government control like, say, relaxing restrictions on strip mining in protected parklands?

Cutting wasteful government spending: Like, say, what is it now - $700 billion - on a disastrous war that was started on a specious pretext, and from which we can't get out? Or do you mean wasteful government spending like, say, national healthcare?

Just checking.

For starters - cutting wasteful earmarks. McCain has never earmarked a bill. Both Clinton and Obama have.
As for any and all issues, including those you mention, McCain is the only candidate with experience and wisdom enough to bring together opposing legislative factions so more can be done to resolve them.

[poetinahat]

McCain's people are the ones who created those problems.

What's the Republicans' recent track record of bringing together opposing factions - other than to invade Iraq? The past eight years have been as fractious as any in recent memory.

[InfinityGoddess]

For starters - cutting wasteful earmarks. McCain has never earmarked a bill. Both Clinton and Obama have.
As for any and all issues, including those you mention, McCain is the only candidate with experience and wisdom enough to bring together opposing legislative factions so more can be done to resolve them.

Just a note: Not all earmarks are bad, unless you're "Build Bridges to Nowhere" Ted Stevens (R-Alaska).

[Upbeat]

McCain's people are the ones who created those problems.

What's the Republicans' recent track record of bringing together opposing factions - other than to invade Iraq? The past eight years have been as fractious as any in recent memory.

It is because McCain can and has worked successfully with opposing parties that some call him 'Renegade'.

[poetinahat]

It is because McCain can and has worked successfully with opposing parties that some call him 'Renegade'.
Yeah, I can see it. (http://crazyabouttv.com/Images/renegade.jpg)

[mscelina]

You know, it's times like this that make me very happy to be an independent.

[ClaudiaGray]

After the past eight years, the only way I'd consider voting Republican is if they put Jesus on the ticket, and he ain't on the ballot.

[My-Immortal]

After the past eight years, the only way I'd consider voting Republican is if they put Jesus on the ticket, and he ain't on the ballot.

Are you pronouncing that with a "J" or an "H"?

[Celia Cyanide]

Whatever the issue, McCain is the only candidate with wisdom and experience enough to bring legislators together to do what is best for the country.

Fortunately, we are all allowed to decide what we feel is best for our country and vote accordingly.

[Upbeat]

Fortunately, we are all allowed to decide what we feel is best for our country and vote accordingly.

True. Ultimately, however, once our votes are cast and the winner determined, it is Congress, and the President who must come together to make things happen.

[Celia Cyanide]

True. Ultimately, however, once our votes are cast and the winner determined, it is Congress, and the President who must come together to make things happen.

Yes, and we get to vote for congress, as well.

[jennifer75]

Or, are you so dedicated - so locked in - to one party or another that you'll give no consideration to the opposition's candidate?

I'm a Dem so I'll decide eventually on BO or HC.

There are six more months to endure this campaign - time to do plenty of objective thoughtful no-spin research on the candidates.

I think I'm one of the many Democrats who are torn between the two because I/we want Bill back in office, so I/we are considering HC falsely and solely based on that. Then there is the other half of me who wants this man BO in office because the thought of having HC in there sickens me/us.

The more voters who do this, the better chance we'll all have of the winner being the best person to serve as next Prez of the U.S.

I've got a lot of research to do.

[johnnysannie]

After the past eight years, the only way I'd consider voting Republican is if they put Jesus on the ticket, and he ain't on the ballot.

(Applauding)

Beautiful. That's my favorite post of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Elwood]

Mac is my man!

[Upbeat]

Yes, and we get to vote for congress, as well.

Indeed we do - all the more reason to vote for candidates most likely to work with each other to get things done.

[Celia Cyanide]

Indeed we do - all the more reason to vote for candidates most likely to work with each other to get things done.

Not everyone wants the same things to "get done." I'm only going to vote for candidates who support the issues I care about. Period.

[GeorgeK]

I could be wrong,.

No, you are correct.