McCain declares Rev. Wright issue off limits

[RumpleTumbler]

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/23/for-mccain-rev-wright-is-off-limits/

This is surprising. I like it.

[InfinityGoddess]

It couldn't have possibly have to do with the fact that he has Hagee as his spiritual adviser, does it?

[mscelina]

oh for Pete's sake. That's all you can come up with? What this is is darn smart politics. He can afford to take the high road--the Democrats are swarming all over the low one without his assistance.

The AZ Senator added today that he believes “it is clear” that Obama does not share the world view of Rev. Wright and stated his intention to run an issue-centric campaign.

That should be what you take from that article instead of some crap about Hagee. I am an undecided independent and quite frankly this whole issue about Wright is so ridiculously overblown as to descend into the realms of sheer idiocy. McCain stated his opinion--the least any of us can do is commend it, regardless of the hyperbolic posturings of the rest of his party.

Thank the gods that someone in this horrific election season has a modicum of sense. It's not enough for me to pledge support for McCain but it sure as hell is a good first step.

[WendyNYC]

Rev. Wright is supposed to be on Bill Moyers tomorrow night.

Should be interesting.

[Plot Device]

My rose-colored outlook: McCain might just be a decent guy.

My everyone-sucks outlook: McCain might just feel he has a slightly better shot at beating Obama than Hilary.

[WendyNYC]

Or, McCain knows that it will be brought up anyway, and he wants to distance himself from it before it happens.

Or all three.

[NikeeGoddess]

so what's with the ad -- the one below the speech?!!!!!!!?
This time the North Carolina Republican party has launched a new TV spot tying local Democrats who support Obama to incendiary remarks made by the Democrat’s longtime preacher, Jeremiah Wright.

[Cranky]

so what's with the ad -- the one below the speech?!!!!!!!?

In the article, McCain said that he knew there was nothing he could do about the ads the GOP wants to run (and it's a GOP ad, not a McCain campaign ad), so simply wants to disassociate himself from it as far as he can.

That was in the article.

[InfinityGoddess]

oh for Pete's sake. That's all you can come up with? What this is is darn smart politics. He can afford to take the high road--the Democrats are swarming all over the low one without his assistance.


High road, right.

I'll believe it when it comes general election time.

[Jcomp]

Or, McCain knows that it will be brought up anyway, and he wants to distance himself from it before it happens.


Which makes it brilliant.

[mscelina]

*shrug*

fair enough. The fact of the matter is that the battle between Clinton and Obama is destroying the power base of the Democratic party. You can hate McCain all you like, but put the blame squarely where it belongs.

[InfinityGoddess]

*shrug*

fair enough. The fact of the matter is that the battle between Clinton and Obama is destroying the power base of the Democratic party. You can hate McCain all you like, but put the blame squarely where it belongs.

That's the Big Media talking point. This isn't really "destroying" the Democratic power base. If it were, people would be sick of it by now and the Democratic primary turnouts still wouldn't be as high as they have been. Pennsylvania alone had 300,000 new Democratic voters.

[Voyager]

I'm sick to death of it, it's just too late for me not to show up.

[Celia Cyanide]

My rose-colored outlook: McCain might just be a decent guy.

My everyone-sucks outlook: McCain might just feel he has a slightly better shot at beating Obama than Hilary.

Or he thinks it makes him LOOK like a decent guy, even if he doesn't really care all that much?

[InfinityGoddess]

As I thought. Too good to be true (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/mccain_says_hell_bring_every_p.php).

[mscelina]

...

:roll:

muckraker

noun
one who spreads real or alleged scandal about another (usually for political advantage)

:ROFL:

Wow. That's a credible source. yep--it is just as you thought. ETA: especially in light of this article just posted on the same site. (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/north-carolina-republicans-pul.php) Op ed does not a credibility base build.

[chartreuse]

Or, McCain knows that it will be brought up anyway, and he wants to distance himself from it before it happens.



Or, McCain knows that by saying he doesn't want to talk about it, it's ALL people will talk about.

[mscelina]

Or, McCain knows that by saying he doesn't want to talk about it, it's ALL people will talk about.

DING! Exactly. It's like Tom Sawyer whitewashing the fence.

[small axe]

When the Rev. Wright videos first hit it big on TV, I saw them ask McCain's campaign guy (paraphrasing) "What are McCain's views on Rev. Wright's comments and on Rev. Wright endorsing Obama?"

And McCain's guy, his campaign weasel hitman I assume, says something like: John McCain realizes that when someone endorses you, it means THEY agree with YOU, not that you agree with them."

And I thought: classy. John McCain isn't taking the obvious, easy cheap shot there. Good man.

Now, yes, Hagee is the albatross around McCain's neck like Rev. Wright is Obama's ...

Hillary's curse appears to be bad pants suits. :)

[clintl]

Whatever McCain's real motivations are, he has never seemed to me to be a dirty campaigner. I think a McCain-Obama race will actually be pretty civil compared to what we have seen recently. At least as civil as the Clinton-Dole race, which is the most civil presidential race we've had in recent times.

[William Haskins]

Now, yes, Hagee is the albatross around McCain's neck like Rev. Wright is Obama's ...

bullshit. show me a single instance of mccain stating hagee is his spiritual mentor. show me one listing of hagee as part of mccain's campaign team. show me a single block of twenty years in which mccain sat in his congregation. show me wedding pics indicating that hagee officiated or any pics or certificates of baptism showing hagee baptized his children.

this thread is ridiculous. when it appeared that mccain had condemned the ad, you all called him a liar and a snake and a fraud. when it appeared he backed the ad, you all called him a liar and a snake and a fraud.*

*clint is a notable exception, given the fact that he is a proud and passionate progressive and is also intellectually honest.

you kids are a riot.

really.

[cethklein]

Rev. Wright is supposed to be on Bill Moyers tomorrow night.

Should be interesting.

Ahhh so he IS back in the US. Someone asked me that the other day and I wasn't sure. I heard he was in Africa hiding out still.

In any event, I think this shows a lot of character for McCain. It makes him look good yes but it also shows a lot of class. Even though I don't see myself voting for him on issue of policies he has, I think everyone should respect the man (and most people do even most Democrats).

And no I don't think it has to do with Hagee. Hagee may be a pretty sorry person but he's tame compared to Wright.

[mscelina]

*snip*

this thread is ridiculous. when it appeared that mccain had condemned the ad, you all called him a liar and a snake and a fraud. when it appeared he backed the ad, you all called him a liar and a snake and a fraud.*
*snip*


Haskins, you wound me.

[Cranky]

Haskins, you wound me.

Me, too.

Haskins, I'm crying right now. Don't you feel bad? :D

[mscelina]

I know, Cranky--here we are, fighting the good fight, and we get lumped in with....THEM.

So not fair. What are we moderates supposed to do to make you extremists happy, anyway?

*grumble, grumble*

That's okay--when November rolls around ALL OF YOU wll be BEGGING for MY vote. Until then, I guess I'll have to call them as I see them. :D

[William Haskins]

yes, i was hasty in my use of "you all". let's amend that to the usual suspects of reality-challenged hardcore partisan democrats.

that should be an adequate identifier.

my apologies to all of those who didn't, in fact, take the moonbat position.

[Cranky]

Moderates: the Rodney Dangerfield of politics. Till they need our votes. :D

Maybe I oughtta dust off my fascist puppy-kicker boots again. Get some respect 'round here!

[mscelina]

Thank you, Haskins. You are now officially my hero again.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

c'mon, cranky. I'll buy you a beer in fang relief. then we'll go fold pamphlets for Nader.

*snerk*

[Cranky]

Thank you, Haskins. You are now officially my hero again.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

c'mon, cranky. I'll buy you a beer in fang relief. then we'll go fold pamphlets for Nader.

*snerk*

Get me drunk enough, I may even pass out those flyers! :D

[William Haskins]

Thank you, Haskins. You are now officially my hero again.

...and humanity takes one more baby step towards the apocalypse.

[mscelina]

Yeah, but then we'd wake up in the morning with ruined flyers scattered all over the yard and BoP glaring at us in disgust from the door. *sigh*

maybe there's some libertarian function we could attend instead...

[/still just JOKING]

[mscelina]

...and humanity takes one more baby step towards the apocalypse.


*grin*

As if that would frighten ME. Puhleeze. Who knows? Perhaps my admiration for you is responsible for global warming instead of all those mean, nasty, eco-challenged, war-mongering Republicans.

See? You can blame it all on me. That should make all the Democrats quite happy and will enable Cranky and myself to drink ourselves into moderate oblivion.

See you in hell. I'll keep margaritas for you. ;)

[Cranky]

Yeah, but then we'd wake up in the morning with ruined flyers scattered all over the yard and BoP glaring at us in disgust from the door. *sigh*

maybe there's some libertarian function we could attend instead...

[/still just JOKING]


I'll drink to that!

http://www.gcgr.com/images/food/champagne-toast.jpg

[mscelina]

have we hijacked this silly thread enough yet, Cranky?

[Cranky]

Hmmm. No, we need kitteh first...

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/24/unolikemypla128535572694062500.jpg

[mscelina]

okay. cool--let's go back into lurk mode...waiting, just waiting for our next opportunity to fight for the cause of moderates everywhere.

well, that and I have about 200 pages I need to get edited tonight...

[Cranky]

I have to add new words to my new piece. It was supposed to be a short, but now it wants to be a book. Dratted thing.

Lurk mode, ON! :D

[mscelina]

we are sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad...

[small axe]

Originally Posted by small axe http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2294445#post2294445)
Now, yes, Hagee is the albatross around McCain's neck like Rev. Wright is Obama's ...


bullshit. show me a single instance of mccain stating hagee is his spiritual mentor. show me one listing of hagee as part of mccain's campaign team. show me a single block of twenty years in which mccain sat in his congregation. show me wedding pics indicating that hagee officiated or any pics or certificates of baptism showing hagee baptized his children.


Well, I gladly accept your vague apology for including me in the "you all" swipe, too, because I especially didn't attack McCain or call him a 'liar' ... though it suggests that your own 'intellectual honesty' needs to be acknowledged not after your first comment, but only upon correction and revision. :)

As for the 'bullshit' comment ...

Dude, take a deep breath.

I didn't claim Hagee was the SAME albatross around McCain's neck, fer cryin' out loud ... just one 'like' Obama's.

BOTH candidates will be unfairly blamed for the extremist and unpretty comments of a religious leader ... associated with them by their foes for reasons of attack.

If you insist on measuring their relative size ... Obama's is admittedly bigger. :D

A bigger 'albatross' that is.

As for Hillary's pants suits ... well, why go there? My position is: they have as much real bearing on her character as Wright or Hagee have on the other candidates. They're ugly, they don't fit, and attacking her for them is equally shallow as slamming a man over another man's comments.

[mscelina]

Alas, dear Cranky, we have failed.

*sigh*

[Cranky]

Alas, dear Cranky, we have failed.

*sigh*

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/24/ceilingcathaz128535581384218750.jpg

[mscelina]

The PURRFECT LOLCat for this senseless topic:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i293/isabelle_spurrier/IizrightUi128383310200243750.jpg

[William Haskins]

As for Hillary's pants suits ... well, why go there? My position is: they have as much real bearing on her character as Wright or Hagee have on the other candidates.

this may well be, hands down, the stupidest proposition ever proffered on this forum and, believe me, the competition is fierce.

[Voyager]

Didn't Rev. Wright provide counseling to the Clintons during the Mo Lewinsky dealio? I can't remember where I heard that, but if we can just get a pic of McCain golfing with Satan, we can call this whole Rev Wright affair a wash and move on to something that has to do with, oh, I dunno, call me crazy but, POLITICS.

[Cranky]

http://pichaus.com/animated-picard-darth-vader-jgw!l@.png

[Voyager]

Is that Cap'n Picard beating up Darth Vader? What effed up cosmic bunny hole have I just fallen into?

[mscelina]

http://pichaus.com/animated-picard-darth-vader-jgw!l@.png


:roll:

Cranky, you slay me. Seriously.

[Cranky]

Why yes it is, Voyager. :D

Darth Cheney/Bush and Co. is supposedly Darth Vader, so...

That makes Cap'n Picard a progressive liberal, I guess.

[William Haskins]

we can call this whole Rev Wright affair a wash and move on to something that has to do with, oh, I dunno, call me crazy but, POLITICS.

to suggest that rev. wright didn't play a major role in shaping obama's theological and social thought is to ignore a mountain of evidence to the contrary, including both obama's and wright's own words.

to further suggest that black liberation theology and its social tenets don't translate into a political worldview is to ignore the fundamental domestic policy aims of the democratic party.

[mscelina]

And Councilor Troi is the moderate!

AHA! That means that we get to jilt the libertarian Ryker for the Klingon Romney!

Woo hoo!

[small axe]

this may well be, hands down, the stupidest proposition ever proffered on this forum and, believe me, the competition is fierce.

Oh, you can go and get yourself a big swelled head and CLAIM you have the authority to award the "Most Stupidest" trophies, Mr. Haskins ...

but I won't believe your vote matters until the UPS truck pulls up in my front yard and I unwrap my damn 24K solid gold trophy with "Most Stupidest" engraved right there on it! :D

Until then, you're all talk. And talk is cheap, especially when talk and bias are such an even mix.

[Joe270]

Christ on a cup cake, the kittens aren't working.

Time to bring in the big guns. . .

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd136/Joe270/white-tip.jpg

[cethklein]

Why yes it is, Voyager. :D

Darth Cheney/Bush and Co. is supposedly Darth Vader, so...

That makes Cap'n Picard a progressive liberal, I guess.

I always had Jean-Luc pinned as a lefty.

[MichaelDeVere]

I always had Jean-Luc pinned as a lefty.

He is.

Gene Roddenberry eliminated supply and demand economics with the ability for an individual to immediately fabricate any inanimate object upon demand through advanced manufacturing technologies. The basis of capitalism was immediately replaced with true economic equality, leading to a universal pursuit of asthetics and knowledge, rather than the virtuous toil of physical labor. The good captain is a product of that social construct.

[small axe]

Those holodecks? VR Bangkok sex tours. The first alien al-qaeda they ran into, the Federation would be whining about "Londonstan" worse than Christopher Hitchens in a flagellation-parade.

Or maybe the Klingons are al-qaeda, I dunno. I always figure the Bajorans are Palestinian refugees or something.

[mscelina]

Joe, who needs kittehs when Picard works even better?

*grin*

[Cranky]

*moonwalks thru thread*

[MichaelDeVere]

I've been on to your little kitten games.

You're not fooling me with your engineered distractions with lolcatz.




Reverend Wright is teh debbil and his racist blather should be ignored by the media.

;)

[Cranky]

No, no more LOLcatz.

Picard is unhappy with y'all...

http://pichaus.com/picard--riker-worf-funny-7vn!l@.jpg

Or maybe it's the wardrobe department. I can't tell.

Either way, he ain't happy...

http://pichaus.com/patrick-stewart-jean-luc-picard-aiu!l@.jpg

[mscelina]

That's just scary. Really.

Appropriate though, because this thread is starting to remind me of the Borg. "Resistance is futile..."

[Cranky]

http://archiv.chip.de/ii/5777180_9ae2a0647d.jpg

[cethklein]

The Borg were the ultimate Communists though. No individuals, just the collective.

[Cranky]

In that case, I think my comparison of Picard to a progressive liberal stands up well.

Especially in that hawt Borg get up...

[MichaelDeVere]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/chloedancercrown/picardwright.jpg